PS I’ve given you the truth about electric cars in that previous post, that is it 😀. The governments are just playing at it with what has been done so when Skegness is under water they can say “we tried but not enough people were interested.”

Edited 12 March12 Mar by classic

That Vauxhall Viva is still perfectly good today, and if it has been maintained, it is still perfectly drivable. Their was no real tech on those cars, they were about as basic as you could get. Seriously, with todays tech in modern cars, I doubt they would able to do the same in 20 years time. I mean, they can't even build a TV set that lasts longer than a few years. Smartphones and tablets that once the OS is no longer supported, slowly becomes a brick as stored apps cease operating because they need newer OS and apps need to be updated.

@Graham Butcher I just read some nonsense posted yesterday by you. Where is there anyone one here with an EV that has posted about EV,s being the best thing since sliced bread and ICE vehicles being a no no. I think everyone on here with an EV has an ICE vehicle as well or would use one. You somehow see what you want to see and not what people are actually discussing.

Edited 12 March12 Mar by Evolution13

There are BEV,s at prices comparable to ICE vehicles and private users / drivers buying them, and the reason being quite possibly because they can charge at home on cheap tariffs, Not Business / Commercial,/ fleet drivers. Joe & Jane public that use their own money after tax to buy or lease.

13 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

@Graham Butcher I just read some nonsense posted yesterday by you. Where is there anyone one here with an EV that has posted about EV,s being the best thing since sliced bread and ICE vehicles being a no no. I think everyone on here with an EV has an ICE vehicle as well or would use one. You somehow see what you want to see and not what people are actually discussing.

Oh come on, you know that there are some (not you, I hasten to add) who cannot accept anything negative said about an EV, regardless of who said it or the context in which it was said. Those who constantly demonise the dino juice and cannot see any reason for everyone not grasping the EV era, even though they cannot even begin to think about charging from home even with a granny cable. Those in high-rise flats, for example, are you really telling me that you cannot recall those and similar discussions, which also annoyed you just as much as they did me?

Edited 12 March12 Mar by Graham Butcher

@Graham Butcher I do not think that is @lol-lol you are speaking about and having been in this thread since the start i have no idea who you might mean. If it is @lol-lol you are talking about might as well say that.

57 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

@Graham Butcher I do not think that is @lol-lol you are speaking about and having been in this thread since the start i have no idea who you might mean. If it is @lol-lol you are talking about might as well say that.

No it's @lol-lol either, these people I have on block, and I don't do that lightly.

Odd having people blocked that appear to not be posting on here anyway. Many seem to be just ignoring this section because of others that seem to know about EV,s purely from 2nd hand information.

35 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

Odd having people blocked that appear to not be posting on here anyway. Many seem to be just ignoring this section because of others that seem to know about EV,s purely from 2nd hand information.

I seriously doubt that; let's play devil's advocate for a minute, so it seems that you are blaming me. You are also publicly saying that they chose not to participate because they could not exercise any form of self-censorship; the simplest one of all is to scroll past a post that they don't want to read, etc., or to do what I have done and block certain people so they don't ever have to see what the blocked person posts. Is that what you are really saying?

Ever thought that the reverse could be true, that they may have had negative experiences, etc., and/or other issues make them suspect the future may not be electric after all.

I read the posts as people post them and read it as they mean it to read. I read some posting about things that do not show in posts. Maybe because they were deleted or because people try putting a spin on the post others put up.

Some people make a habit of adding substantial chunks of added information to their posts after they have been posted for a while, altering the overall post's meaning in the process.

But how can anyone be 100% sure that they are reading a post exactly as the poster actually meant it to be read? A missing word, punctuation or writing in the local dialect can make all the difference in how a post is conceived?

Em oot o here as well until there is more truth and less guff.

18 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

No it's @lol-lol either, these people I have on block, and I don't do that lightly.

Don't understand the above comment. Am I on your block list or not ? Don't suppose it will get read if I am but others will see.

Real problems us EV drivers put up with are, of course,

1. Slower energy filling, which can mean needing a second EV as back up, pricey of course.

2. Less filling sites but this is rapidly being addressed ie 2k new charger stations being added a month

3. Expensive public charging. Lets expect a change to E VAT rate rather than S plus ECo levy removal to fix.

The Chinese are technologically advancing at a stunning pace as seen by the introduction of BYD sub brand Denza. Probably going to be from £60K RRP so not cheap but since European CoTY start at nearly £50K ie Merc CLA -e, 250, 350 etc, clearly a market and with over 600 mile WLTP and looking good might get some buyers especially as running costs will be low. Top spec nearly 1000 hp and some models have the crab parking ! https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/38411582/worlds-longest-range-ev-coming-uk/

@lol-lol of course you're not on my blocked list, how could you be when we have had so many discussions together? We don't always agree with each other but we have never really argued or been disrespectful either. We all have views and opinions.

So what on earth makes you think you're on my blocked list?

The people who are on my blocked list could well be posting everyday here and I would not know anything about it, because I cannot see their posts, that is how it works.

People should have the car that suits their requirements you have yours and I have what currently suits mine.

Edited 13 March13 Mar by Graham Butcher

16 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

@lol-lol of course you're not on my blocked list, how could you be when we have had so many discussions together? We don't always agree with each other but we have never really argued or been disrespectful either. We all have views and opinions.

So what on earth makes you think you're on my blocked list?

The people who are on my blocked list could well be posting everyday here and I would not know anything about it, because I cannot see their posts, that is how it works.

People should have the car that suits their requirements you have yours and I have what currently suits mine.

Cheers. Confused of Worcester.

17 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

Cheers. Confused of Worcester.

Why confused? Have I not always said that it is wrong to bring in a ban on new ICE cars, before the proposed replacement has fully demonstrated that it is fully capable of being a direct replacement in terms of its abilities and capabilities and is something that does not penalise those in society who are for various reasons less able to adopt them?

Imagine, if you will, a situation where you were being told that from a certain date that all your heating and cooking could no longer be done with gas, oil or electric and had to be done by burning wood. Now I don't know about you but I would be screwed, my house has never had a fireplace, so has no chimney either, just like those in high-rise flats etc. On the other hand many living in rural areas might already have these and able to collect wood from local forests, etc. and cut fallen branches into logs etc, in fact there is one such person on this forum who, upto recently, was doing that at least in part.

How do you think that would be accepted by the public? At least the person who I'm thinking of can now enjoy the all the benefits that you and I have taken for granted for years now.

PS. I have gone back to look at just what made you think you might be blocked, and I can see that when I was replying to @Evolution13 I missed out the word "not" which altered the perceived message I was conveying, it also serves to highlight what I said to @Evolution13 about how a message can be read and yet completely misread and wrong conclusions formed from it.

Edited 13 March13 Mar by Graham Butcher

Wow, today I have actually seen a 100% electric delivery van being operated by Evri in the city centre, so are they using those for business deliveries and deliveries to domestic customers being done by self-employed agents, I wonder?

Evri is increasing its own corporate fleet of electric vehicles and e-cargo bikes, particularly in London, Bristol, Oxford, and Cambridge.

11 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Wow, today I have actually seen a 100% electric delivery van being operated by Evri in the city centre, so are they using those for business deliveries and deliveries to domestic customers being done by self-employed agents, I wonder?

100 years ago someone sat on a horse and cart saw a Model T Ford pull up and said something very similar.

5 hours ago, classic said:

100 years ago someone sat on a horse and cart saw a Model T Ford pull up and said something very similar.

My comment was referring to a discussion I was having about Evri using self employed agents and their own cars etc and were not EV vans in my area. Turns out I was wrong and hence my comment in the post above.🙄

Now this is going to be interesting to Tesla owners but it may come with some bells and whistles attached, which could potentially be beneficial to both Tesla and the owners. May be worth a watch?

13 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Now this is going to be interesting to Tesla owners but it may come with some bells and whistles attached, which could potentially be beneficial to both Tesla and the owners. May be worth a watch?

Yes it could be a major shake for the UK energy supply market expecially for those with TESLA Power wall home batteries and cars with V2G, V2H, V2L capability. In the US these hone systems, supply considerable power vack tobthe grid from the business's or home TESLA systems are of course majority capitalising on the selling of electricity at peak times presumably at 50p or a pound per kwh at the high prices 1600 to 1900 hours window and as with the US businesses and homes setup this way will make bhg money from this so that their energy bills are not bills but credit notes for hundreds ot thousands of pounds per yearpaying back the thousands or tens of thousands of CAPEX of investment people have made.

Think Octopus and others will respond but should be really good for those who can adapt.

I can see consumers being told that theywill be charged more for using electricity in the daily peaks ie tea time, like Octopus Cosy Heat Pump customers like my brother do already ie 1.5 times more than tge cap rate during that peak time. That can be fine if one can use batteries ir just delay use to 1900 hours bylut that is not convenient if one has younguns who need to be fed etc.

Interesting times ahead and technology will offer great rewards to those who can exploit it but leave thise who cannot or don't understand it behind and paying more than they could.

Those that cannot take advantage of the Tesla power scheme, ie., those with no home charging ability, none of the other stuff either should not end up paying more for their power than they do now. City dwellers in high rise flats for example just couldn't comply.

4 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Those that cannot take advantage of the Tesla power scheme, ie., those with no home charging ability, none of the other stuff either should not end up paying more for their power than they do now. City dwellers in high rise flats for example just couldn't comply.

There are some options to use some of this new tech as with Balcony solar and devices such as Ecoflow stream so some tricks to reduce bills by optimising cheaper tariffs.

Prices in USD rather than GBP but perhaps also valid.....