@lol-lol Eon Next Power-up again tomorrow but from 1pm-3pm. 30 pence being credited per extra kWh used. Today was 2pm-4pm. I see Plunge pricing with Osprey again but only 15%.

24 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

@lol-lol Eon Next Power-up again tomorrow but from 1pm-3pm. 30 pence being credited per extra kWh used. Today was 2pm-4pm. I see Plunge pricing with Osprey again but only 15%.

Yes seems to be widespread give back from the big suppliers.

Wind power production did not look huge ie over 10 GW but solar was similar. Thought wind would be twice or 3 times solar.

Live Grid does not seem to quote what UK domestic customers and businesses feedin could be big, at least a GW would have thought and how cheap are the interconnector supply costs, fraction of a penny per KWh ?

Edited 29 April29 Apr by lol-lol

The McMaster has just posted a new interesting video where he drove his car till it reached 0% charge and charged it to 100% at a hub. Now he claimed that his car was in limp mode, and he drove around the hub until it reached 0% at which point the car stopped and would not move any further. As it was he was stopped alongside and across 2 chargers blocking 2 bays. The lead only just reached his car but it did charge fully to 100% in around 50 minutes but the cooling fans on his car were screaming, trying to cool the battery. Wonder what would happen if they were to fail?

Anyway his total cost (subsidised) was £42.02 for 107KW and 362 mile range and at todays cost for dino juice that is good, but most EVs cannot charge as fast as his Taycan, so that is a factor.

However as a comparison at todays price for diesel, than for the same 362 miles, my cost would be £68.43, but at the prices before Trump went to war, it would have been £52.27, so yes, it would have been more expensive, but I have a normal range for full a tank of 500-590 miles and recharge/refuel time of around 5 minutes.

This is where home charging really pays huge dividends if you can do it.

3.3 miles a kWh is rather poor for the way he drives which is very canny. They are a big heavy lump though.

A performance sports car comparable to the macMaster's car would probably do mid 20s per gallon?

Pretty much so for a Porsche Panamera

2 hours ago, Evolution13 said:

3.3 miles a kWh is rather poor for the way he drives which is very canny. They are a big heavy lump though.

Interesting that the legacy car makers have so little eange after zero state of charge shown, tested Bjorn Nyland saw as little as 2 miles after 0% SoC which compared to Renaults and TESLAs doing tens of miles after 0% is a massive difference on how battery management is done and is very confusing for users.

15 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

Interesting that the legacy car makers have so little eange after zero state of charge shown, tested Bjorn Nyland saw as little as 2 miles after 0% SoC which compared to Renaults and TESLAs doing tens of miles after 0% is a massive difference on how battery management is done and is very confusing for users.

Maybe its all down to weight and energy efficiency? I should imagine that a heavy Taycan would take a reasonable amount of power to get rolling when compared to your R5?

49 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Maybe its all down to weight and energy efficiency? I should imagine that a heavy Taycan would take a reasonable amount of power to get rolling when compared to your R5?

R5 is light and Scenic a bit more but not very heavy even for the 90 KWh battery version well under 2T kerb weight.

Just down to how the makers chooses to do their BMS. Be nice to have an agreed consistency i reckon.

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The SMTT data shows the continued market for cars moving towards BEVs, MEVs and PHEVs....

PHEVs over 20k sales, BEVs over 39k and HEVs nearly 20k so nearly 80k cars with pure diesel and petrol down to just under 47%. Still to see the big discounts which normally come with BEVs later in the year to try and hit the one third of cars being EVs which is part of the mandate.

Edited 6 May6 May by lol-lol

26.2% I wonder if we will get to last years target of 28% (23.4% achieved) by the end of this year with the target of 33%

Well with the current situation with USA v Iran, it is going to be far easier to hit the target this year, and the longer the uncertainty goes on for in this conflict, the greater the chance of hitting it is.

5 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Well with the current situation with USA v Iran, it is going to be far easier to hit the target this year, and the longer the uncertainty goes on for in this conflict, the greater the chance of hitting it is.

Plus more cars hitting the criteria to get the full EV grant of £3750 and battery packs continuing to get cheaper.

Battery packs being made up in France, Germany abd Polabd as well as UK is helping companies tick the boxes for getting full grant.

Edited 7 May7 May by lol-lol

Over 2 million BEV,s now registered in the UK. Lots sitting new or used and not on the road. There will be growing numbers as there are more First Registered every month. The numbers sitting Sorned or 'In Trade' are kind of important.

4 hours ago, Evolution13 said:

Over 2 million BEV,s now registered in the UK. Lots sitting new or used and not on the road. There will be growing numbers as there are more First Registered every month. The numbers sitting Sorned or 'In Trade' are kind of important.

The price had to be right for someone to take out PCP or lease ir whatever.

Dealers will try and get the best but they will not keep stock too long on their books as they cash flow hit is too painful.

This dealers who wait too long will eventually even put these cars thru action and where fas been some good deals of EV cars but also EV vans going thru the auctions but eventually all these vehicles find their way to market.

1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

but also EV vans going thru the auctions but eventually all these vehicles find their way to market.

Here's an example

https://youtu.be/Fxxtv93ZZYo?si=L_DZcEFPlaIaOpyh

6 minutes ago, Luckypants said:

Here's an example

https://youtu.be/Fxxtv93ZZYo?si=L_DZcEFPlaIaOpyh

At half their retail price with hardly turning a wheel

What are your thoughts and feelings about this new twist in modern cars, and especially on the electric cars which are ripe for this kind of extortion? It just shows another side of this push towards electric cars.

Once enabled, it only requires a server glitch or a company going out of business, etc., and the car could/would be permanently disabled to some sort of degree.

To my mind, it's akin to having many of the car's main functions controlled via the central touch screen, which can and does at times become frozen, rendering the system inoperable.

I have just purchased a new aftermarket satnav from the biggest name in these devices, TomTom. And it has already managed to completely break the BT connection to my phone, thus losing live traffic, camera, and speed limit data. Another time it lost and still has managed to completely wipe all of my saved data, so it has none of the saved destinations or any POI stored within it.

Software-driven systems are becoming a real liability and are heading into life-threatening territory here. With the old-fashioned systems, workarounds can be found for things such as a particular switch, etc., no longer being available; they are replaced with another type, even if it means drilling more holes in the dashboard and physically moving the switch. The older ones among us must have already come across this before.

On 09/05/2026 at 11:03, Graham Butcher said:

What are your thoughts and feelings about this new twist in modern cars, and especially on the electric cars which are ripe for this kind of extortion? It just shows another side of this push towards electric cars.

Once enabled, it only requires a server glitch or a company going out of business, etc., and the car could/would be permanently disabled to some sort of degree.

To my mind, it's akin to having many of the car's main functions controlled via the central touch screen, which can and does at times become frozen, rendering the system inoperable.

I have just purchased a new aftermarket satnav from the biggest name in these devices, TomTom. And it has already managed to completely break the BT connection to my phone, thus losing live traffic, camera, and speed limit data. Another time it lost and still has managed to completely wipe all of my saved data, so it has none of the saved destinations or any POI stored within it.

Software-driven systems are becoming a real liability and are heading into life-threatening territory here. With the old-fashioned systems, workarounds can be found for things such as a particular switch, etc., no longer being available; they are replaced with another type, even if it means drilling more holes in the dashboard and physically moving the switch. The older ones among us must have already come across this before.

You do love your click bait scaremonger YouTube vid.

Is it BMW and Mercedes only and in the US ?

People in Covid masks in the bits of vid from years ago ?

I would not buy buying a BMW but I do hope it does not come to Mini.

More fool for a buying a BMW if still extant.

Also not a Toyota fan. Arrogant and now surpassed by many other brands.

Some brands are so desperate to get extra money as they are considering getting extra money to stay solvent.

No mention of Renault and non premium brands thankfully.

2 hours ago, lol-lol said:

You do love your click bait scaremonger YouTube vid.

Is it BMW and Mercedes only and in the US ?

People in Covid masks in the bits of vid from years ago ?

I would not buy buying a BMW but I do hope it does not come to Mini.

More fool for a buying a BMW if still extant.

Also not a Toyota fan. Arrogant and now surpassed by many other brands.

Some brands are so desperate to get extra money as they are considering getting extra money to stay solvent.

No mention of Renault and non premium brands thankfully.

No, it was not meant to be clickbaity scaremongering but a real, genuine question. Had I not been retired, I would have known the answer to the question, as I would still be a company car user and getting a new car every three years.

My son has an Audi A5 which has a phone app to control certain aspects of his car, and he has to pay an annual subscription, and that car is 6 years old. So, therefore, a good indication that, as the video stated, the European makers were going down that route.

My current car is of 2019 vintage, and what was fitted to the car at the time of 1st sale is still there and working, and I'm the 2nd owner and just about to enter my 2nd year of ownership of it.

The people in Covid masks are in keeping with the time scale, as many things were introduced from 2020 onwards, including Covid being declared a global pandemic, and my son's A5 could be a testament to that, it would seem.

1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

I thought farmers used red diesel, which is not road legal; road vehicles have to use white diesel, which is significantly more expensive. Farmers are, however, struggling with higher costs of red diesel, as the current Iran/US/Israel war has dramatically increased their overheads, just as it has for all oil burners.

Edited 10 May10 May by Graham Butcher

47 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

I thought farmers used red diesel, which is not road legal; road vehicles have to use white diesel, which is significantly more expensive. Farmers are, however, struggling with higher costs of red diesel, as the current Iran/US/Israel war has dramatically increased their overheads, just as it has for all oil burners.

Point is for non farmers to not use the ever diminishing diesel we have and keep the price down for them.

UK diesel for duty free uses has a red marker, green in Ireland, orange in Holland etc.

UK HMRC RFTU who search for illegal use of Red Diesel sample the diesel cars of farmers etc at Cattle Markets etc. Marker can be present world after uses just one tank even after weeks of them doing so. Vehicle can be forfeit as well as fine.

Excise rise in September nay well get postponed I guess.

Edited 10 May10 May by lol-lol

I know; I have had my tank checked at roadside checkpoints on many occasions before.