The usual usual from these 2.  'The TYPICAL EV user.'  groan!   

Just stick to actual costs as paid if away from home or work. you have gone out on the road actually testing for more then a day or 3. Do not count the first full range as having been charged cheaply other than say on a FAST public charger. several hours...  (FAST, not Rapid or Ultra Rapid, and they keep calling Rapid or Ultra Rapid FAST, when fast was only ever AC charging in the past as a term they used.)

 

  They mean those that have cheap charging facilities available as TYPICAL.  as in the TYPICAL Motoring Journalist maybe, home / work and even then they get that paid for,,

these TYPICAL Home charging drivers might be lots of those that will be blowing a crazy amount getting a MINI COOPER E or SE. 

 

Typical right handed drivers in the UK need a none shaky left hand or finger.

As for voice controls, well that is something else as in you may need to repeat stuff several times, or maybe not, depends on your voice / accent.

 

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No doubt it can be Cheaper to run an Electric MINI if you charge @ 10 pence a kWh and 50 kWh costs £5.00 and takes you 150 miles or 175.

& the Petrol is 137 pence a litre and 45 litres (£61.65) takes you 350 miles, or even 400 miles. 

(No cheap sources of buying petrol.)

Pay 55 pence a kWh for 50 kWh and you are OK at £27.50.  even 75 pence, £37.50. 

 89 pence a kWh, £44.50 but less than 200 miles.  Real world.

 

Obviously if you get what is a 2 seater, (2 + 2 1/2s.) or at a push a 3 seater and you need 3 suitcases or more in then drop the seat behind the driver as nobody with legs can sit there unless the driver and the passenger with legs are very short. 

Or a 2 seater with more luggage space than a MX5. 

 

 

 

Edited 23 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

6 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

I don't think that is likely to happen as Big Oil does not have to try and entice people to use their product or services. 

And yet here we are, all deeply dependent on their hugely polluting products because of the enticing that was done before our times.

 

Is it not a very good thing to be enticed to use a much less polluting product?

 

2 hours ago, skomaz said:

 

Why should there be...   There's a more limited EV charging market than for petrol stations and let's be honest you'd be a pretty sad individual to take your car out to charge it on Christmas day!!!

What else is there to do on morning of Christmas day besides family activities?

 

We usually take a walk on Xmas morning, because everywhere is shut and there really is nothing to do. I'm actually very happy to find something meaningful and different to do as a family this year.

 

@Ootohere totally agree for real world comparisons EVs need be treated and driven just the same as you would do with an ICE. People banging on about home charging etc are living the dream that as Jayemm said is not currently even remotely possible for many millions of people. In that case if your trips are short enough that you can replace what you use each time with a home charge and have the means to charge at home, then it might make sense and if you can shut out the possibility of the alleged immense damage to other people's environment overseas where minerals are mined and huge human costs being paid by the alleged children mining them, from your mind, when they go on about how good they are for not emitting any tailpipe emissions, when the damage is being done elsewhere out of sight. 

I am heading off for Xmas, going electric. Living the dream...  Rain, drizzle and mist just as the weather warms up.

Only 1 charge needed today later and i have a choice of expensive, quite expensive or very expensive. 

3 hours ago, Ootohere said:

I am heading off for Xmas, going electric. Living the dream...  Rain, drizzle and mist just as the weather warms up.

Only 1 charge needed today later and i have a choice of expensive, quite expensive or very expensive. 

 

Senna the Scenic & Zoe sitting there with 80% charge. Thinking of some light up sills maybe. Put together a survival kit, New Year snow it is reckoned over much of country !  

 

 

 

Edited 23 December, 20241 yr by lol-lol

It is winter,

Snowmaggedon Daily express, Opp North Survival Kits are in all the time for the not born stupid, and appropriate tyres.

Especially with EV,s where chargers can be sh!t and Snow Gates get closed, like the last few nights.

 

ElectroVerse App playing up, failing to show chargers that are there and usually show.

It is a horrible wet night, i will charge where there are canopies.    Plenty sweets. 

Edited 23 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

Arh, good old hot fish and chips, always welcome in the winter months, also a good idea to keep plenty of sweets in the glove box and a bottle or of some sort of drink. 👍👍

Muppets as usual plugged and locked in and cars no longer charging .

Edited 23 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

5 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

Muppets as usual plugged and locked in and cars no longer charging .

Maybe they are doing what so many EV owners/users/drivers keep trying to tell everyone that you should only drive for about 2 hours and need a comfort break and something to eat and as so often happens when going out to eat, time slips by waiting for the service to catch up. I went out to celebrate my late Father in Laws birthday on Wednesday last week, 1.30 table booked for a pub lunch and it was over 2 hours before we actually finished, spent most of the time waiting for food to arrive.

In other news today, The Good Law Project have twice this year taken the UK Government to the supreme court over their Net-Zero and won. On both occasions the Government strategy has been ruled unlawful, so what now?

Edited 24 December, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

My bad.  At the Athletics Arena chargers the charger cut out on me. So most likely had on the cars plugged in and the guy that pulled up and stated charging and left after a few minutes.  They must be waiving the £5 minimum charge at the moment with the chargers being so crap.  E-volt chargers, e-volt owned by Swarco who administer Charge Place Scotland.  Who also do the maintenance for most of the 32 local authorities in Scotland in Scotland.   Surely the Power Capacities and common issues being so well known over the past 13 years of CPS and a common denominator on the equipment and management should have by now raised concerns over the spending of public money and a Monopoly with Public Charging and who is doing very nicely out of it financially.   Yet the set up not fit for purpose in many regions. 

Edited 24 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

AC tethered out of order for at least 3 days and I thought I would need to go to AC posts as CCS cutting out when I used ElectroVerse.  After 3 attempts used the CPS card and started charging and had stayed on. Just going for a walk and will keep an eye on it to see light stays blue till charged. I need 100 miles of range. 

Edited 27 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

3rd car been parking up now wanting to charge,  they are heading for ferry.   Big battery cars.  Not moving for them though as they just passed 2 chargers in the last 6 miles and there is 1 more before the Ferry terminal and the chargers there.  Maybe the ones as they came south were occupied or bust.  One guy just now was determined to plug into the AC and did not believe me broken and he wanted to reset charger while I am on it.   EDIT.  29 kW/h £10.71.   73 minutes. 7 - 100%.  Enough for 100 miles.    Next charge will be 59 pence a kWh rather than 37 pence. 

Edited 27 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

I think much work needs to be done to the system before they can say that electric is the future.

 

 

4 hours ago, Stonekeeper said:

 

 

At 95% the LFP is apparently down to 0.5 C ie half the kws of the kwh figure of the battery. Think I would unplug at 95% and go.

 

My 60/63/65 kwh Scenic is still at about 0.65 C at 95 to 98 % SoC, if prewarmed,  so i might go to 98% before unplugging.

 

This is where EVs are so different to ICE i reckon as you can be so precise rather than i will stick in half, three quarters or a full tank, though nice if we could do that in a minute or two rather than half an hour or so. I get bored easily so about ten minutes is about my limit and I would rather drive slower back on the road than twiddle my thumbs unless there is place to pick up a coffee and a sticky and have a Jimmy.

 

Still so much to learn, it is not a way of life, yet, for those who are not happy to absorb the complexities.

 

Around here, I don't believe there's any barrier to mass EV adoption.

There's 34 charge points at this "electric forecourt" next to A1M, perfect for long journeys:

 

 

Unrelated to cars, but this is a rather important point about EV adoption that many people just don't seem (or willing) to understand coming from liquid fuel.

(vid starts at the important point, only need to watch ~40s, but rest of video is interesting none the less)

 

 

I'd love if I can plug lawn mower into my car charge point. Or even better and more applicable for more people: pressure washer have a Type 2 socket!

What a plastering about for the 'about 10*oC, colder earlier' in the video posted earlier. 

There really is reasons that people can not be bothered with all the car about EV,s, cold weather etc.  Loads of guff about pre-conditioning etc.

 

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freezing is sort of cold weather, not 10*oc. 

 

'Once a week to 100%' 

 Is that it, every 7 days regardless of usage, miles covered, how often charged at what ever speeds?

 

 

 

Edited 27 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

12 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

What a plastering about for a about 10*oC in the video posted earlier. 

There really is reasons that people can not be bothered with all the car about EV,s, cold weather etc.  Loads of guff about pre-conditioning etc.

 

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freezing is sort of cold weather, not 10*oc. 

 

'Once a week to 100%' 

 Is that it, every 7 days regardless of usage, miles covered, how often charged at what ever speeds?

The video presenter talks about his personal usage, charging once a week.

 

But as said in the video, unless doing over 100 miles a day, charging every day is really not needed.

 

Key is having somewhere to charge. Policy makers need to concentrate on getting cheap AC charge points everywhere. Once that's in place, expensive rapid charging hubs outside of trunk road network are not really needed.

You can not have 'Cheap AC Charging points' where anyone and everyone just leaves an EV parked and plugged in for as long as they like, and then also for those just stopping a while.

Well the whole of the UK can not, but it looks like London will get, even though supposedly more than half of everyone with a home has off street parking. 

 

I do wish some lazy barstewards would bother using their cable and actually use the AC Ports and not park for hours using tethered AC or DC and then stay once fully charged, Locked in, not charging, not getting Fined for Overstaying. 

1 hour ago, Ootohere said:

What a plastering about for the 'about 10*oC, colder earlier' in the video posted earlier. 

There really is reasons that people can not be bothered with all the car about EV,s, cold weather etc.  Loads of guff about pre-conditioning etc.

 

........

freezing is sort of cold weather, not 10*oc. 

 

'Once a week to 100%' 

 Is that it, every 7 days regardless of usage, miles covered, how often charged at what ever speeds?

 

 

Worcester is the same as there must be well over a hundred chargers dotted around the small city that Worcester is and another fifty within at mile radius such as at the Parkway whale weigh station.

If I had any criticism I would like to see more capable of 150 kws, or above, so I can flash charge the Scenic and warm the traction battery on coolish days. 

 

Cheaper prices would be nice, more dynamic pricing, plunge pricing as it has become known when the wind blows, not the Raymond Briggs type wind blows just a healthy North Sea blow spinning up the turbines.

 

At some point TESLA will really spike the market as they have in some cities like Manchester and offer prices close to home charging,certainly without the VAT.  Let's hope Labour does what the Cons would not and align home and public charging Value Added Tax.

 

Edited 27 December, 20241 yr by lol-lol

 

There will have to be the point and it is not far off when the UK Government will have to be looking at TESLA, TESLA chargers, TESLA in the UK and ask can it be allowed a monopoly on EV Charging.

 

Maybe it will not be like the Markets & Competitions Authority and how it treats Filling Stations and who owns or has control of, them but if Energy Security is an issue then Public EV Charging will have to be an issue and can anyone be allowed to have even 1/4 of the charging business or even 1/3rd?

 

Data Centers for Internet / AI businesses needing so much electricity are building their own Nuclear Plants / Small Nuclear Modular, so why are the likes of TESLA not going to be required to be generating electricity.

Is the market fair as far as their buying price of energy?

 

 

Edited 27 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

@OotohereDon't you believe it that more than half of Londoners have off-street parking where they could install a home charging unit, that is just pure BS.

 

Yes it is true that there are loads of homes that do have the chance of using space such as their front gardens for off-street parking and a few minutes using Google Earth will illustrate this point neatly, but these places in the main tend to be located around the very outer edges of London, largely in the areas in that are now in the ULEZ area that always used to be in the surrounding counties like Essex, Kent, Surry, Sussex, etc.

 

In the more densely populated areas and the closer you get to the centre, there are very few homes where that is even remotely possible, and is high blocks of flats become the norm for people, of which very few have underground parking.

 

I have spent years of my life working within these areas with electrical consulting engineers, Housing Associations, Local Authorities and private landlords, schools, hospitals and government depts etc trying to find ways of upgrading the electrical installations and services of the properties there to make them compliant and fit for modern life. I also have extended family members living in the areas, and they would love to have the same standard of housing those that living towards the outer edges of London enjoy.

34 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

At some point TESLA will really spike the market as they have in some cities like Manchester and offer prices close to home charging,certainly without the VAT.  Let's hope Labour does what tge Cons would not and align home and public charging Value Added Tax.

 

Going by recent performances, I would not bank on that happening.