Lots like this need building with Solar and battery storage and maybe with toilet facilities and some non rip off price vending machines.

Not just in Cities but in town and villages.

There are BEV ones.

 

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Edited 3 October, 20232 yr by toot

@lol-lolThe farmers  and business,s around my area and the owners of the bio-mass products with Solar Farms are not stupid and unaware of the weather like you seem to be.

Head for thinking and feet for dancing and these people are registered as Energy Companies, and doing rather well out of common sense and investing lots to make a very lot more money.

The Tax Loss days are over and the burning a building down occasionally for the insurance was a few generations back.

We should be taking a leaf out of the French book and make covering car parks with solar canopies mandatory. The shade afforded by the canopies is pleasant in summer and the cover is welcome in winter. The power generated can supply the business owner or be fed into the grid.

 

EDIT: Photo shows Tesla SC station at Chalon-sur-Soane with my car interior not getting hot while charging. I believe the power goes to the Super-U hypermarket in the background.

 

Edited 3 October, 20232 yr by Luckypants

The Scottish Water video is revealing and them not being able to export / sell into the grid.

 

It is a Cartel, it is a stitch up and it really is a fraud against the people of the UK.

 

Artificially high prices of electricity and huge profits for the few that make up the cartel.   

Chickens might eventually come home to roost.

 

The Tory & Labour party in the pockets of Oil & Gas and electricity, the likes of the Liberal Democrat leader who has his directorships or consultancy or whatever an Energy Company thinks he has to offer.

Ex Elected Politicians as well doing rather well in Energy, Security / IT, Defence.  Amber Rudd being a case in point.  One of the many, paid for services rendered in the past not just the present.

 

Boris up visiting the North of Scotland.

Well there are those that might be getting called on for help they maybe received in the past.  Green Freeports  and the likes do not come free.

In order to make use of those renwables, a good amount of grid connections need to be made up and down the country. 

 

There should also be a lot of smart charging incentives for areas with high renewable excess. For example, that podpoint flex scheme and Octopus power hours 

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/pod-point-flex.311017/#post-7814934

I was looking again at Ed Davey and his consultancy.  For a legal firm or a Energy company owned by the missus.    Needed to be sure the disabled child's future is secure.   Nice work.  Liberal with hypocrisy like many others.  Fill your boots while elected or unelected.  

 

............

Sir Edward Jonathan Davey FRSA MP, & Spouse.  At least he has a bit of knowledge on the subject of energy....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Davey

 

The ex Scottish Liberal Democrat Leader & Deputy First Minister of Scotland Lord  Nicol Stephen is quite 'BIG' in Windfarms, but then the Scottish Lib Dems were big on renewables.

His ownership & directorships of On land Wind Farms and companies & then offshore.

http://flotationenergy.com/team

 

 

 

Edited 3 October, 20232 yr by toot

The problem with large solar farms is the sheer size that they need to be (ignoring the fact that the sun does always shine) and that amount of land is then lost for general farming purposes be it for livestock or arable, so we will be losing valuable space for growing our food on and as the population increases we will need more food. Solar as we deploy it today is not going to sustain us for long. Maybe need to look at ways of making all buildings having to have an element of solar generation and connecting them to the grid so that excess power sent around the grid to power those areas with less sunshine and also incorporate some form of battery storage for days when there is little sun anywhere? Wind generation would allow more land to be available for actual farming, but like solar, it has its advantages and disadvantages. Fossil generation means burning and producing CO2 and other pollutants, Nuclear runs the risk of a Chernobyl type event and also what to do with the wasted fuel rods. So is the answer staring us in the face, at least for the UK, and that is wave generation, from almost any point in the UK we are never more than about 140 miles from the coast (as the crow flies) but there is always going to be plenty of wave action all around our coasts. WE need to invest some serious amounts of money to investigate this more, I think.

3 hours ago, Luckypants said:

We should be taking a leaf out of the French book and make covering car parks with solar canopies mandatory. The shade afforded by the canopies is pleasant in summer and the cover is welcome in winter. The power generated can supply the business owner or be fed into the grid.

 

EDIT: Photo shows Tesla SC station at Chalon-sur-Soane with my car interior not getting hot while charging. I believe the power goes to the Super-U hypermarket in the background.

 

Farmers can also get free barns with solar roofs, if they want walls and doors they have to contribute a bit but otherwise its 100% free including the foundations and concrete slab (I'm not 100% sure of the latter).

 

Thats in my region in the sunny South West, they are springing up like mushrooms just as the solar car parks on new developments however I have not seen a single one in glacial Picardie so they probably are not viable at all in the UK aside from the companies run by someones brother in law 😄

40 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

The problem with large solar farms is the sheer size that they need to be (ignoring the fact that the sun does always shine) and that amount of land is then lost for general farming purposes be it for livestock or arable, so we will be losing valuable space for growing our food on and as the population increases we will need more food. Solar as we deploy it today is not going to sustain us for long.

 

Agrivoltaics is the answer

@Graham Butcher  maybe solar and good ground wasted would be relevant if there were not so many Slipper Farmers like there are in Scotland and before and still since Brexit Farm Subsidy,s.    Set aside and payments not to use land productively .  Hill sides and rough ground and non economic to farm land about.     PS.  Do you see on your travels just how much land gets covered by Polytunnels?    If you or @lol-lolwere to head to Tayside and the slopes where soft fruits are grown or anyplace then you might see just where Solar Panels are working very well and not wasting farming or agricultural land. 

 

 

Edited 3 October, 20232 yr by toot

10 minutes ago, toot said:

@Graham Butcher  maybe solar and good ground wasted would be relevant if there were not so many Slipper Farmers like there are in Scotland and before and still since Brexit Farm Subsidy,s.    Set aside and payments not to use land productively .  Hill sides and rough ground and non economic to farm land about.     PS.  Do you see on your travels just how much land gets covered by Polytunnels?    If you or @lol-lolwere to head to Tayside and the slopes where soft fruits are grown or anyplace then you might see just where Solar Panels are working very well and not wasting farming or agricultural land. 

 

I will look more closely next time I am up.  Did do some visits to Dover fuel Solution (aka Tokheim) in Dundee, Tayside, might be the largest employer in Dundee since Michelin pulled out.  

 

So glad to see they have added EV chargers to their portfolio when they were mainly know for fuel pump dispensers at gas stations and are moving along in to the electric era

(DFS- Dover Fuel Solution not the furniture store)   Picture of a pretty EV charger which I will look out ........

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David Mc Guinness

Director of Product Management, Electric Vehicle Charging, DFS#

“Electric vehicles can offer benefits to both drivers and the environment. Operating with the same, if not better, processes than their petroleum and diesel counterparts, electric makes your journey better ergonomically, economically and environmentally.”

 

 

Last nights lightening strike and explosion at the Bio-gas anaerobic digestion plant was quite something.

Not sure if there will be calls for stopping the expansion of these or that no body will insure them.   Maybe they will be required to be further away from other buildings & habitations.

They are a good risk for the underwriters, better than EV's, lightning never strikes twice in the same place 😄

13 minutes ago, toot said:

Last nights lightening strike and explosion at the Bio-gas anaerobic digestion plant was quite something.

Not sure if there will be calls for stopping the expansion of these or that no body will insure them.   Maybe they will be required to be further away from other buildings & habitations.

 

So many instance.  Tianjin port explosion....         We have an office at Tianjin

Beirut which our office on the docks perimeter was partially destroyed...... 

& fire at our battery factory in Northern France......

 

All due to goods in a nearby warehouse setting fire to an adjacent one which gathered such heat to compound the fires massively ......  

 

 

 

 

@J.R. You must never of heard of Roy Sullivan!

5 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

So many instance.  Tianjin port explosion....         We have an office at Tianjin

Beirut which our office on the docks perimeter was partially destroyed...... 

& fire at our battery factory in Northern France......

 

All due to goods in a nearby warehouse setting fire to an adjacent one which gathered such heat to compound the fires massively ......  

 

 

 

 

I'll watch the videos when I'm back at the computer. But I thought you said you worked for the Customs, so since when did the customs have a battery factory in Northern France? 

1 minute ago, Graham Butcher said:

I'll watch the videos when I'm back at the computer. But I thought you said you worked for the Customs, so since when did the customs have a battery factory in Northern France? 

 

Did work for HMRC, and Department of Transport, then got lured to the dark side working for pwc for about twice the salary, then customs software and then international logistic company in customs compliance.  Before all that Merchant Navy Engineering Officer on diesel engines, main propulsion and generators units.  Nearly 46 years in a sentence !

Work for a french conglomerate who have many wings ie logistics, battery tech, newspapers, film business.

 

 

Major study subject in my OU degree whilst with customs was the very sad case of Piper Alpha.  For those too young or just forgotten......

 

 

12 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

Did work for HMRC, and Department of Transport, then got lured to the dark side working for pwc for about twice the salary, then customs software and then international logistic company in customs compliance.  Before all that Merchant Navy Engineering Officer on diesel engines, main propulsion and generators units.  Nearly 46 years in a sentence !

Work for a french conglomerate who have many wings ie logistics, battery tech, newspapers, film business.

 

 

Yeah, when you look back like that it's scary when can see half your life gone in a single sentence 😉

9 hours ago, lol-lol said:

 

I read the first bit earlier but then it came up with a paywall, or what I thought was a paywall but was in fact just a subscription request.

 

Too little information provided and not enough good journalist questions asked or reported.  Is he in an expensive car insurance area, is a performance/dual motor car getting the massive insurance hike, has he picked up a speeding ticket which has failed to mention. Could not see that in the article when scanning it.

 

We will see if such scare stories such as fires and high insurance quotes scare the TESLA buying market but I doubt it and the TESLA sales figures are going from strength to strength despite retooling for the new Model 3 and other new models.  If it becomes a problem I would expect TESLA to come up with their own insurance policy just like the effectively solved the charging issue by coming up with their own charging network.  The move to EVs is unstoppable.  It could be slowed a bit by EU/UK Anti dumping measure and internal duty recovery schemes but the technological pace and the rapidly falling price of the technology has EVs on course to be the obvious vehicle of choice for most within the next 6 the years and most ICE cars relegated to historic rallies.    

 

 

Tesla is not a good example to use seeing as it is seen by most normal folk as a premium brand and product and therefore will tend to be purchased by the better heeled sector of the market if their premiums take a leap forward, they can afford it and I think many secretly revel in the knowledge it is seen as a premium brand and so becomes a status symbol.

 

I also dislike that the way that many of these online papers are asking for subscriptions all the time. I can understand it if you're just browsing the paper, but when you are just following a link, it irritates the hell out of me.

9 hours ago, wyx087 said:

Your fruit analogy is not correct.

The supplier would pre-purchase 100% of your organic fruit needs from certified organic suppliers. If they end up with a deficit, they will borrow from Aldi and pay organic suppliers to put back what they've borrowed.

There is no pretending. Your money only goes to renewable suppliers.

 

You still have not grasped what I said. You want to use ONLY electric that has come from renewable sources, and your supplier claims that all your electric was renewable sourced energy. As far as you know, that is what you have been using, but secretly your supplier was actually only able to source a third of your power used, from renewable sources, the other 2 thirds came from fossil generated sources unbeknown to you. It does not matter if your supplier does actually the missing two thirds of your power at a later date from a renewable supplier, you never actually used that power that thought was green power, and you also paid extra for something you never got let along used. 

 

Your supplier might never get around to buying the missing thirds that you paid for, because your supplier had to obviously buy the power that you used from an alternative supplier who used fossil fuel to generate it. The only way that you could be 100% certain that you were only using renewable is to generate it yourself, or all of the power supplied on the national grid is 100% renewable.

 

Your car runs exactly the same whether you charge the battery with fossil generated or renewable sources generated power, so you would never actually know any different.

Edited 3 October, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

@lol-lolI had friends who lost relatives on Piper Alpha & knew survivors.

I worked before that in a company that did Sub-Contracting for offshore construction and fabrication.

Halliburton,  Texas Instruments etc. & With others building accommodation modules, crane cabs, and generator casings.

I was a painter.

 

There was so much crap that was turned out back then by the many that jumped on the bandwagon and should never have been given the responsibility they were which was very much Americans with not a care other than the Dollar.

 

Now that my young lad and his step brothers are on rigs and were doing rope access so inspections i know there is a bit of a different regime but sadly some muppets that were there in the 1970,s still are around.

 

PS

A man and boy were struck by lightening today i spotted on the telly just as i was typing this.

 

 

Edited 3 October, 20232 yr by toot

I actually worked for Halliburton at their Haverhill factory making huge cement pumps and other oil field equipment as well some special rigs designed to put out oilfield fires and I had to work as part of a special team dealing with fire equipment at times of urgent response to such disasters, and we had to do sometimes 36 of 48 hours almost non-stop shifts to get the equipment made, tested and dispatched.

 

Edit>

They wanted to take me with them when they moved, I had the choice of going up to Arbroath in bonny Scotland or going to their main factory in Duncan, Oklahoma, but I chose not to do either. I still wonder what might have happened if I had. 

Edited 3 October, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

OMG this is terrifying about electric vehicles. Just look at this. Five hybrids and two full EV burning. Obviously it's battery relat....

Oh. Dodgy car transporter. 

 

https://www.tag24.de/thema/feuerwehreinsatz-heute/flammen-inferno-auf-a5-bei-lahr-brandneue-autos-auf-transporter-brennen-lichterloh-2971731

2 hours ago, toot said:

@J.R. You must never of heard of Roy Sullivan!

Correct.

 

Who he?