1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

@wyx087Never heard of multiple system failures then? Failures are rare just like fires but when they occur the results can be devasting. Just the same with planes crashing, very rare that happens but the consequences are bad. With control by wire there are many things that could cause problems but like plane crashes, they are rare. Also the history books are full of cover ups about events. Lessons are learnt, diesel gate is just one for instance.

Multiple system failure at the same time are rare, even rarer is when multiple safety critical systems fail at the same time.

 

Please don't compare your tablet computer safety critical systems.

 

So I take it you would never fly on Airbus' famous fly-by-wire systems?

Even the famous 737 Max crashes have elements of human failure where pilot didn't get enough training on its new flight characteristics.

 

The brake by wire system mentioned is considered a safety critical system. Even with redundant sensors, there is still fallback mode:

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The fall back of an EBS system in case of failure is to use the ordinary air brake control pressure, so even in the event of a failure of the electronics the vehicle shall be able to make a safe stop.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brake-by-wire#EBS

1 hour ago, toot said:

Corsa Electric had all you needed in front of you and change screens on a stalk, as does the MINI Electric as do many EV, s and not just ones that also come as an ICE.   i-Drive selector between the seats of the MINI for the driver or passenger to select or control most of everything the car can do other than the stuff the driver does, 2 pedals, steering and stalks.

If you do not want big screens and you need to touch them just say 'No'. 

I 100% agree with that, but notice that the examples you gave all came from companies with a long history of making ICE cars, however many new start up companies to make EV's with a clean slate have apparently gone for the modern approach of having the central screen being the human/machine interface with almost if not all the functions that used to be done by switches.

Just say no. Live life. 

There are plenty analog & semi digital cars to see your driving career out. 

 People have choices and the Play Station & on generation are a bit off being geriatrics. 

 

I went for the MINI Electric with crap range because i wanted one before they stopped being made and i would not have a New one with more range and just a heads up in front of me and some Computer Game type center dash. 

 

I have a Sony Xperia phone 3 years old and do not want a newer one.   I know what i like and like what i know.

Edited 4 October, 20232 yr by toot

Haha, that's the original Model S or X. It still has glovebox button. On 3/Y and newer S/X, even glvebox is a software button. And on upcoming refreshed 3, the gear selector is now screen swipes. Even indicator stalk have been removed in favour of touch sensitive haptic steering wheel buttons.

 

But this has got nothing to do with EV's.  Merc S class ICE car:

 

 

 

End of the day, everyone has a choice, just vote your preference with your wallet.

14 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

Multiple system failure at the same time are rare, even rarer is when multiple safety critical systems fail at the same time.

 

Please don't compare your tablet computer safety critical systems.

 

So I take it you would never fly on Airbus' famous fly-by-wire systems?

Even the famous 737 Max crashes have elements of human failure where pilot didn't get enough training on its new flight characteristics.

 

The brake by wire system mentioned is considered a safety critical system. Even with redundant sensors, there is still fallback mode:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brake-by-wire#EBS

At least you have admitted that multiple failures can occur, but such incidents are rare, and therefore can and have happened, so that's a step forward to actually admitting that there may be a problem. I have never said that there was a problem, you seem to have convinced yourself that I have. Since have words like "what if" or "dubious" meant it is a fact that a problem exists?

 

If engineers never asked question like "what if" this or that were to happen, what would be the outcome of such an incident occurring, then we would be having loads of bad incidents occurring all the time, hence why we have redundancy built into many systems, because either such questions have been asked, or there has been incidents happening and lessons learnt.

 

History shows that there have a lot of so-called safety critical systems failing and in cases of industrial accidents leading to many deaths and indeed many cases of operators and manufacturers actually knowing about major problems and have deliberately ignored the problem for years, often only coming to light after private court cases have been brought against them.

11 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

Haha, that's the original Model S or X. It still has glovebox button. On 3/Y and newer S/X, even glvebox is a software button. And on upcoming refreshed 3, the gear selector is now screen swipes. Even indicator stalk have been removed in favour of touch sensitive haptic steering wheel buttons.

 

But this has got nothing to do with EV's.  Merc S class ICE car:

 

 

 

End of the day, everyone has a choice, just vote your preference with your wallet.

Yes, I know that there are some top end luxury ICE models etc that also have these large central touch screens, but I was talking about the comments that were mentioned in that video, which I agree with. Are saying that it is not a problem using a touch screen whilst driving, then. I also mentioned using your mobile phone (mostly all touch screens) as a satnav but get caught touching it, and you have a fine, even if it is not handheld but in a cradle I think? So if that's true, then what is different. 

31 minutes ago, toot said:

Just say no. Live life. 

There are plenty analog & semi digital cars to see your driving career out. 

 People have choices and the Play Station & on generation are a bit off being geriatrics. 

 

I went for the MINI Electric with crap range because i wanted one before they stopped being made and i would not have a New one with more range and just a heads up in front of me and some Computer Game type center dash. 

 

I have a Sony Xperia phone 3 years old and do not want a newer one.   I know what i like and like what i know.

Yes, I know there are plenty of cars I can use, I'm happy to continue with my Superb for the rest of my days, but I have even pointed out in another post that it is less than perfect as to make or end a 100% hands-free phone call I have to do it via the central touch screen. On my old mk2, I had dedicated buttons right there on the steering wheel so no need to take my eyes of the road at all.

 

Not sure what you're trying to say about your Sony Xperia, it was a touch screen the last time looked at them, is yours not a touch screen then?

 

3 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

At least you have admitted that multiple failures can occur, but such incidents are rare, and therefore can and have happened, so that's a step forward to actually admitting that there may be a problem. I have never said that there was a problem, you seem to have convinced yourself that I have. Since have words like "what if" or "dubious" meant it is a fact that a problem exists?

At this point I'm a bit lost what are we arguing?  Yes, multiple systems may fail, but as I have stated there is a statically insignificant chance (aka even rarer than rare) of multiple safety critical systems fail at the same time.

 

Historically, problems only arise when multiple factors compound a safety critical system failure, typically failure to follow procedure by the operator. It would be interesting to learn of any safety critical system(s) failures that caused casualty on its own, without any user/operator/driver/pilot factor. That would add weight to points you are trying to make.

 

I looked through previous page, I couldn't find your "what if" beyond same usage in quote marks.

This is the "dubious" bit: 

3 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

which is why I am dubious of the findings about the Chinese EV crash at speed when the computer reported that the throttle was being pressed and not the brakes. The throttle might well have been pressed and then it suffered a glitch and lost all control and the system may have frozen and failed to record that brake pedal had been pressed. 

To which I responded:

3 hours ago, wyx087 said:

Like it or not, critical parts such as accelerator pedal measurement have redundancy. The software may contain bugs but multiple sensors giving the same value wouldn't lie. It would be up to MG to prove it was wrong pedal just as Tesla was able to prove all their incidents were result of human error. Before such outcome, based on all other prior incidents, I would be more inclined to blame the user.

Translation:

I pointed out where your assumption falls short and I was agreeing with you regarding car fault.

 

 

 

 

 

5 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Yes, I know that there are some top end luxury ICE models etc that also have these large central touch screens, but I was talking about the comments that were mentioned in that video, which I agree with. Are saying that it is not a problem using a touch screen whilst driving, then. I also mentioned using your mobile phone (mostly all touch screens) as a satnav but get caught touching it, and you have a fine, even if it is not handheld but in a cradle I think? So if that's true, then what is different. 

It would be easier if you spell out what videoes said so people don't have to sit through 10+ minute of a ranty video hunting for what you mean.

 

Regarding UK law and touch screen. Both are treated equal, there is no difference as per your suggestion.

https://www.gov.uk/using-mobile-phones-when-driving-the-law

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Using devices hands-free

You can use devices with hands-free access, as long as you do not hold them at any time during usage. Hands-free access means using, for example:

• a Bluetooth headset
• voice command
• a dashboard holder or mat
• a windscreen mount
• a built-in sat nav

 

Even Tesla allows ending or muting of phone calls using steering wheel control. In fact, muting was recently added via software update. I'm surprised Superb can't do it, shame it can't do OTA updates. 😜

@Graham ButcherWhat i am saying it is my 3rd Sony Xperia since buying when they first came out, & with not the longest lasting battery or the best camera (which i never use) 

and seemingly not the greatest speed for games etc.

Well i do not play games on my phone, so until it breaks or gets lost it is all i need.

 

With cars i would have a Fast Fabia if they built them which they do not but Spin is about a Fabia vRS again but an EV, a VW ID 2 sister.

So likely i will not have one of those.

 

Maybe 3 years is as long as i will be driving and if not then i think i will be running a semi quick and comfortable ICE car.

Likely a Mk4 Fabia 1.5 TSI DSG just as long as Skoda have not too many snagging faults and sort out the crap people are getting with the software.

But then if there are lots of reported issues that might mean 'much cheapness' to buy one.

 

Like some of the crap that Skoda are selling and have been with the Mk4 Octavias, ICE and PHEV,s.

29 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

It would be easier if you spell out what videoes said so people don't have to sit through 10+ minute of a ranty video hunting for what you mean.

At last we have the problem solved, it seems that on many things we do often agree about, but where the problems arise is, as I have long thought was the case, is because you simply are not prepared to watch the short video I posted (strange then that you also posted recently a video that was 33 minutes long and another that was 10 minutes long and no description, so how come you don't take your own advice then?)

 

In short, if you can't be bothered to watch the video or the topic of the video is not interest to you, then just don't pass any comment on it and we will get on far better. It does come across as you feel you have to defend EV's and, whereas other members will realise that I don't currently have an agenda against EV's at all, I also have moan ups about ICE cars. What gripe I do have with EV's is about the lack of fore thought that has/is being given to ensure that people will not be disadvantaged by switching over to them, which is not the case as it stands today and it would seem that the government have also arrived at the same conclusion hence the delay till 2035 and it might well be kicked down the road again.

 

44 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

 

.......Even Tesla allows ending or muting of phone calls using steering wheel control. In fact, muting was recently added via software update. I'm surprised Superb can't do it, shame it can't do OTA updates. 😜

 

There are cars on the road without over the air updates ???!!! 

 

How do their satnav work with any reliability ???

Renault have had for years.  If you dig in to the Media Nav system one can see the EE details. 

 

My Satnav, which is a mixture of Google and TomTom apparently will even show me a picture of the building I am heading for. 

 

It must give Renault heaps or information on where I eat, hotels, shopping.  Worth a fortune to sell on I would think.

 

Might even give me a good alibi sometime in the future.

 

Sorry never read all the stuff on this, 

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What are MG saying about it?

 

 

20 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

There are cars on the road without over the air updates ???!!! 

 

How do their satnav work with any reliability ???

Renault have had for years.  If you dig in to the Media Nav system one can see the EE details. 

 

My Satnav, which is a mixture of Google and TomTom apparently will even show me a picture of the building I am heading for. 

 

It must give Renault heaps or information on where I eat, hotels, shopping.  Worth a fortune to sell on I would think.

 

Might even give me a good alibi sometime in the future.

 

My TomTom has to be plugged into a computer with internet connection and download the updates and then install it which takes a while to complete. The cars built in satnav updates from SD cards, onto which you have downloaded the updates.

20 minutes ago, toot said:

Sorry never read all the stuff on this, 

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What are MG saying about it?

 

 

I don't really know, others have also reported similar issues and reported it to MG with hardly any reaction, allegedly. No doubt all will be revealed in the fullness of time, in the meantime, all we ever do at times like this is to wait but be aware that problems have been reported. 

The story is getting plenty coverage.

If MG do not have to recall ones then the likes of Motability that own quite a few and lease them out might need to ask drivers to stop using them, or their new insurer that they just changed to this month might have to.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67005620

 

No real sign of him crashing into the police van though, so they must have closely matched their speeds to bring him to a safe stop.

1 hour ago, toot said:

The story is getting plenty coverage.

If MG do not have to recall ones then the likes of Motability that own quite a few and lease them out might need to ask drivers to stop using them, or their new insurer that they just changed to this month might have to.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67005620

What an odd story. 🤔

6 hours ago, lol-lol said:

 

Sweeping generalisation.  The Renault Zoe, along with the LEAF the founding EVs in Europe has a quite compact and bijou driver display and centre consol tablet, about 9 inch corner to corner, it has knobs for the climate ie blower power, temperature and directing air feed, several other button as well for eco mode, air conditioning override, lights height adjustment, all the windows up and down, mirror controls to name some of them.  Not at all gratuitously weird and similar to my Mark 3 Octavia and other cars before it.  The console in front of the driver is quite this decade but it is what I would expect from any newish car, EV, hybrid or just plain old ICE.

 

Just amazes me that people with so little knowledge get to expound their miniscule knowledge to such an wide audience.  As we say at sea " empty vessels make the most noise".

   

I think you are just as guilty of making a sweeping generalisation, I don't think you will find if you play his video that he claimed that all EVs were like that and as I have already pointed out, there are some touch controls on my 2016 ICE Superb and wyx087 also posted photo of a Mercedes-Benz S class with touch screen for almost everything.

 

It is usually people who have either an EV or some form of hybrid who always are prepared to jump in with both feet and rubbish any presenter who does not 100% share your passion, and so often this  appears to be without watching the video or listening to what they have to say.

 

When you or others post videos here, they are ones that fall into line with your own opinions, but do you find me trying to belittle and rubbish those presenters? No is the answer, I do generally watch them and If I don't watch them I don't pass any comment, good, bad or indifferent.

 

I always have an open mind to new ideas and willing to see new opinions and sometimes I do actually learn something, its just a shame that others don't have an open mind as well.

3 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

At last we have the problem solved, it seems that on many things we do often agree about, but where the problems arise is, as I have long thought was the case, is because you simply are not prepared to watch the short video I posted (strange then that you also posted recently a video that was 33 minutes long and another that was 10 minutes long and no description, so how come you don't take your own advice then?)

40% of the MG video is the guy reading out a news article, the article was not linked anywhere in video description or pinned comments. You really expect people to endure that kind of journalism? If you really care about having a constructive discussion, dig deeper to find the news article he referenced and post it up.

I won't stop posting my views based on skim reading youtube transcript of any poorly structured videos, if I wish. I don't see anything wrong with minimum effort on my part when you've spent minimum effort in sharing it.

 

The last 2 videos I posted explaining what is Agrivoltaics, provoked by your "problem with solar farm". Both 10-15min long with infographics and well structured video.

Even earlier, page 76, I posted a 10min video explaining portable EV rapid charging, as possible solution to a news article regarding EV charging at motorway services. The video is optional because my words around it explained the concept. But the video is still well edited and packed with information.

Same page, I posted the 33min video regarding trailers, in response to someone mention wanting to tow. But I made the video start at important bit (last few minutes) and included screenshot for critical information: how much longer it will take vs not towing.

That's all the video I've shared after the 20mph talk.

 

The problem isn't I don't take my own advice, the problem is you introducing a new subject out of the blue with a single video and nothing around it. The video is usually of someone ranting to a camera with very poor structure and difficult to digest. Example 1, Example 2, Example 3. At very least do a summary like with example 2.

 

3 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

In short, if you can't be bothered to watch the video or the topic of the video is not interest to you, then just don't pass any comment on it and we will get on far better. It does come across as you feel you have to defend EV's and, whereas other members will realise that I don't currently have an agenda against EV's at all, I also have moan ups about ICE cars. What gripe I do have with EV's is about the lack of fore thought that has/is being given to ensure that people will not be disadvantaged by switching over to them, which is not the case as it stands today and it would seem that the government have also arrived at the same conclusion hence the delay till 2035 and it might well be kicked down the road again.

I am only interested in the truth and facts. Isolated incidents are neither here or there, and if you don't like your assumptions being pointed out, then stop making things up based on wildly wrong assumptions. (wrong assumptions: "problem with solar", "all customers getting green tariff", "energy supplier are same people sitting on windfall profit", "tablet computer freeze is relevant to car control software" in just last 3 pages)

 

You say you don't have an agenda against EV's. Then why do you keep posting stuff from the anti-EV side of argument? Please correct me if I'm wrong with reference, but I don't remember seeing a single positive thing you've shared regarding EV's. Every post from you had been problem with EV's.

 

You say I have been defending EV's. But in actual fact, I am posting both positive and negative information. The rapid charging news article I shared is bad for EV adoption. The increased towing time I shared is also honest information and relatively bad vs ICE towing. I'm about getting to the bottom of the truth and I am always happy stand corrected, as I had been recently.

Edited 4 October, 20232 yr by wyx087
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This video that toot posted is not telling the truth, the presenter is claiming that when its really windy in Scotland that they produce too much power and the cables that run to areas like London cannot handle that amount of power, and so they have to pay some windfarms to switch off and fire up power stations nearer to London etc which is where the biggest demand is.

 

 

Now this is an example of a little knowledge being dangerous as is partly true and a lot of BS and like so much of what the main stream media puts out for us is just what certain people(s) want us to believe is the truth.

 

The real truth is that winds above a certain speed can actually do damage to wind generators, and so they feather the blades so that they do not rotate in excessive blades, it is far cheaper to fire up a gas fired powered stations nearer to the point of demand, then it is risk damage to the windfarms which would result in massively expensive repairs and lost production. All the output from windfarms being connected to cable will not cause damage to the cable, the voltage being applied remains the same regardless of the number of generators connected. The cable does have a maximum amperage rating however and loading it higher than its rating will risk damaging the cable which is also extremely expensive. So the fact that they are having to fire up alternative power stations closer to London area is either because the number of wind generators connected to that cable are incapable of providing enough power, or is that London is suffering a higher demand than normal. But if they are switching off wind generators, then the real reason is the former. That means because the winds are some parts of Scotland are too high to risk running the windfarms, so the amount of power going into the cable is reduced so the London area has to bring online extra power sources locally to make up the power to keep everything going.

 

Why are there wind turbines stopped if there is wind (endesa.com)

Edited 4 October, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

38 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

40% of the MG video is the guy reading out a news article, the article was not linked anywhere in video description or pinned comments. You really expect people to endure that kind of journalism? If you really care about having a constructive discussion, dig deeper to find the news article he referenced and post it up.

I won't stop posting my views based on skim reading youtube transcript of any poorly structured videos, if I wish. I don't see anything wrong with minimum effort on my part when you've spent minimum effort in sharing it.

 

The last 2 videos I posted explaining what is Agrivoltaics, provoked by your "problem with solar farm". Both 10-15min long with infographics and well structured video.

Even earlier, page 76, I posted a 10min video explaining portable EV rapid charging, as possible solution to a news article regarding EV charging at motorway services. The video is optional because my words around it explained the concept. But the video is still well edited and packed with information.

Same page, I posted the 33min video regarding trailers, in response to someone mention wanting to tow. But I made the video start at important bit (last few minutes) and included screenshot for critical information: how much longer it will take vs not towing.

That's all the video I've shared after the 20mph talk.

 

The problem isn't I don't take my own advice, the problem is you introducing a new subject out of the blue with a single video and nothing around it. The video is usually of someone ranting to a camera with very poor structure and difficult to digest. Example 1, Example 2, Example 3. At very least do a summary like with example 2.

 

I am only interested in the truth and facts. Isolated incidents are neither here or there, and if you don't like your assumptions being pointed out, then stop making things up based on wildly wrong assumptions. (wrong assumptions: "problem with solar", "all customers getting green tariff", "energy supplier are same people sitting on windfall profit", "tablet computer freeze is relevant to car control software" in just last 3 pages)

 

You say you don't have an agenda against EV's. Then why do you keep posting stuff from the anti-EV side of argument? Please correct me if I'm wrong with reference, but I don't remember seeing a single positive thing you've shared regarding EV's. Every post from you had been problem with EV's.

 

You say I have been defending EV's. But in actual fact, I am posting both positive and negative information. The rapid charging news article I shared is bad for EV adoption. The increased towing time I shared is also honest information and relatively bad vs ICE towing. I'm about getting to the bottom of the truth and I am always happy stand corrected, as I had been recently.

Well, have you seen the links that @toot has posted, not only is it in the national press 

but also on BBC news http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67005620, you just need to slow down a bit on the trigger finger then, not everything reveals itself quickly. Now I have been watching that particular YT channel for some time and I have yet to find anything on there that can be called pure BS or just crap journalism designed for pure clicks in order to raise revenue, some things are by their very nature slow burners and if you weren't so biased, you would see that almost every time he posts something like this, he posts links to where you can actually find the information, included ones from the UK Government, however unpalatable that maybe, but it is a fact. I think you will find that this story broke before he could do his normal linking to the information, as he often stops and goes live with a story after he has done his due diligence.

Edited 4 October, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

12 hours ago, wyx087 said:

Key is using the correct pedal and know how to put the car into neutral when in a pinch. 

I hadn't practiced that when at 17 and bored in a traffic jam the idiot that controls my actions asked himself "I wonder if I can drive with my feet crossed?" 😒

 

I wont bore you with the detailed explanation but it was going alright until the traffic in front came to a sudden stop, my reflex reactions then made me rev the engine to valve bounce and drop the clutch ramming the car in front, the reflex reaction to that was to do the exact same thing again pushing him into the car in front of him, rinse and repeat a 3rd time and there were now 3 victims of my rear ending, the heads of the people in front were shaking back and forth like rag dolls 😒 maybe the others as well.

 

The guy 2 cars ahead gave me the immortal words "where did you get your license, in a raffle?", it was only 2 weeks old at the time.

 

Thankfully whiplash claims, ambulanc chasing lawyers and control input logging were not invented back then, I panelbeated and sprayed the car of the couple in front, they were wearing neckbraces 😄 and found the guy in front of them getting his parts from the breakers yard, they said he was a BIL so they gave them to him free.

 

If that were to happen today the claims would be in 5 or 6 figures.

56 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Well, have you seen the links that @toot has posted, not only is it in the national press

but also on BBC news http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67005620, you just need to slow down a bit on the trigger finger then, not everything reveals itself quickly. Now I have been watching that particular YT channel for some time and I have yet to find anything on there that can be called pure BS or just crap journalism designed for pure clicks in order to raise revenue, some things are by their very nature slow burners and if you weren't so biased, you would see that almost every time he posts something like this, he posts links to where you can actually find the information, included ones from the UK Government, however unpalatable that maybe, but it is a fact. I think you will find that this story broke before he could do his normal linking to the information, as he often stops and goes live with a story after he has done his due diligence.

I am pointing out that the article that was read in the video did not have any link to it by the video, combined with the fact it was a dry reading of a news article for large part of the video and the Chinese Tesla incident didn't reference investigation results. No referencing sources, no mention of an investigation outcome, a lot of personal reaction rather than stating facts. I honestly don't know how you can call that good journalism. 

 

 

Ok. Let's talk the BBC article:

Quote

 

''After that, a police officer jumped into my car and did something which seemed to keep the car still."

 

Sounds like panic and shock, not able to operate correctly. What did the police officer actually do? Why was the question not asked?

 

Quote

Police asked Mr Morrison to throw his electronic key through their van window before driving off, and then tried forcibly shutting off the engine - but nothing could stop the car.

 

"But when the RAC got to me about three hours later, he plugged in the car to do a diagnostic check and there was pages of faults.

This points to possible faults within the car or may be faults due to earlier incorrect operation. But still, physical brakes should have stopped the car. Searching brake, this was the only time it was mentioned:

 

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"Then I heard a loud grinding noise that sounded like brake pads, but because it was such a new car I knew it couldn't be a problem with them.

So did the brake work? or not? Despite the noise, why not continue to stamp on it? Why wasn't emergency/parking brake used? Why didn't they try to put the car into neutral? This story is full of holes, both questionable actions and recollection.

 

 

One thing to be learnt from this is that, in event of any fault related to electronic assisted brake system, the brake will need to be stamped on a LOT harder. It will always stop the car unless it physical failed, at the exact same time, which is statistically unlikely.

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

Now this is an example of a little knowledge being dangerous as is partly true and a lot of BS and like so much of what the main stream media puts out for us is just what certain people(s) want us to believe is the truth.

 

The real truth is that winds above a certain speed can actually do damage to wind generators, and so they feather the blades so that they do not rotate in excessive blades

Now this is an example of a little knowledge being dangerous as is partly true. Yes, during high wind they need to protect the blades from spinning too fast, so they adjust the angle of the blade to slow down rotational speed.

 

But it is also true that power generated there cannot make it down south. I'm sure billions are being invested are not due to misconception of a few individuals. It is spent because very smart people have identified the problem and come up with a solution.

 

In the long term, it would be far cheaper to build that power transmission interconnect than continue burning fossil fuel.

Here is hopefully some good news for motorists of all types of propulsion and there is a special section dedicated to EVs in particular help to those people without off-street parking etc.  As it has become abundantly clear that lots of people will not watch videos (poor souls) to save them having to watch what is a long video, but one that I feel is worth a watch, I have also provided a link to the freshly published proposed UK Government plan to help the motorist and to kerb some of the powers that local authorities appear to be abusing with LEZ, LTN, blanket 20mph speed limits, parking enforcements, yellow box enforcements, 15 minute cities / zones etc, all of which cause many people, in fact according to UK gov own figures, the majority of people do not want them. Anyway to avoid those poor souls who object to watching the videos and then digging around to find the data that the presenters often provide links, I have provided it also for you to look at the government report, all 25 pages of it are in pdf format and a link to the UKgov site to also provide proof positive that it is not fake news.

 

 

The plan for drivers - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

 

the-plan-for-drivers.pdf