@wyx087 Oh dear once again, you're proving the points I raised, if you really cannot see that this was a fast moving story so there was no time for him to provide his usual links to the article, then I'm sorry that you cannot see that. Also you're now forming your own opinion on what precisely happened and presenting that here as if you are the authority on what happened. You do not know for sure what happened and neither do I, but I'm not claiming that it was as it has been portrayed.

 

No doubt we will find out what happened in time, just as we will about the fire on board Fremantle Media, until then its is just guess work and a load of noise.

 

All I had to say about the incident is here and I quote, "Has anyone seen this problem with MG EV's at all or know of anything similar happening to other EV's?"  A simple question, that has now been blown out of proportion.

 

Edited 4 October, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

10 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

@wyx087 Oh dear once again, you're proving the points I raised, if you really cannot see that this was a fast moving story so there was no time for him to provide his usual links to the article, then I'm sorry that you cannot see that. Also you're now forming your own opinion on what precisely happened and presenting that here as if you are the authority on what happened. You do not know for sure what happened and neither do I, but I'm not claiming that it was as it has been portrayed.

 

No doubt we will find out what happened in time, just as we will about the fire on board Fremantle Media, until then its is just guess work and a load of noise.

 

All I had to say about the incident is here and I quote, "Has anyone seen this problem with MG EV's at all or know of anything similar happening to other EV's?"  A simple question, that has now been blown out of proportion.

 

  

12 hours ago, wyx087 said:

40% of the MG video is the guy reading out a news article, the article was not linked anywhere in video description or pinned comments.

10 hours ago, wyx087 said:

I am pointing out that the article that was read in the video did not have any link to it by the video

 

Please re-read my post again, I'm not asking for latest up to date articles. No matter how fast the story, the guy (badly) read out an article but did not link the source article in any shape or form. Regardless if it's a fast moving or slow moving, he had the link to the article that he read when the video was shot, the link should be provided.

 

In case you've missed all the question marks, I have not tried in any shape or form to even remotely sound like an authority on what happened. I am simply asking why was basic common sense not used.

 

To answer your original question, which I and others did on multiple occasions that you are chosen to not accept: most of the time has been proven to be idiot behind the wheel. Also, if it were a fault, it can happen to all cars, as you know from your own experience. So why specifically ask about EV's? Did you say you have nothing against EV's?

 

 

Thanks for the file. Much easier to skim through a 25 page text file than sit through 40min of video. This guy did provide a link to the file in his video description.

Edited 5 October, 20232 yr by wyx087
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Just to clarify for anyone who has branded Geoff Thompson from the Geoff Buys Cars YT channel as a EV hater, then this video he put out 6 days will hopefully demonstrate once and for all, that is BS, at 1:43 in this video he clearly states that he hates all new cars, he likes old cars. This also shows those that thought his comments in the other video regarding touch screens were anti EV, he was not referring to EV cars, but all new cars where this appears. You also remember I also mentioned that touch screens are just as distracting as using a mobile phone in a car while driving.

 

He is like me and so many YT presenters not anti EV, contrary to what many people think, but are simply asking the "what if" type questions about what is a fairly new technology that has already demonstrated has a nasty side to it under certain conditions. Not a single person here can say that when they drive an ICE vehicle, are buying into a fledgling new technology with many unknowns. The internal combustion engine has been around since 1893 History of the internal combustion engine - Wikipedia, and so we already fully understand its good and bad points, whereas with EVs in of its formats, that journey has only just begun.

 

Anyway, back to the topics raised in the video, here are the links to the topics he covers, (and as this was a video that he had time to fully prepare for, he also provided the links on his video, unlike his one regarding the runaway MG.

 

 

Police launch probe after car explodes on driveway setting fire to home - Liverpool Echo

Tesla Megapack Catches Fire In Australia, Continues To Burn Under Supervision (msn.com)

Huge explosion ‘fuelled by EV batteries’ rips through airport killing boy, 15, & injuring 163 in blast felt for 20 miles | The Sun

BYD & UzAuto to build EV factory in Uzbekistan | electrive.com

Car dealer Pendragon to open flagship BYD showroom on up-market Mayfair square – Car Dealer Magazine

 

 

32 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

at 1:43 in this video he clearly states that he hates all new cars, he likes old cars.

Let me first say, I like all cars, especially the ones that can produce toxic black smoke, trust me bro because I said it. 😛

 

33 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

You also remember I also mentioned that touch screens are just as distracting as using a mobile phone in a car while driving.

Yes, I accept your opinion that they are distracting, you've mentioned it already.

But let me remind you that in the eye of the law, they are both acceptable to use.

What did you say about willing to learn new things?

 

36 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

He is like me and so many YT presenters not anti EV, contrary to what many people think, but are simply asking the "what if" type questions about what is a fairly new technology that has already demonstrated has a nasty side to it under certain conditions.

Out of 16 of his latest videos, 7 of which report some from of negative story on EV's. Do you not sense any pattern?

 

Apart from the obvious, it is also clear he's getting more views on anti-EV clickbaits and anti-20mph pieces, in comparison to his regular update videos. I wonder what type of video will he try to most more of in the future......

 

 

Similarly, if I had been sharing overly positive EV news from pro-EV youtubers, I would equally expected to be called out. Difference is, I can think for myself and I wouldn't jump to any youtuber's defence.

 

47 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Police launch probe after car explodes on driveway setting fire to home - Liverpool Echo

Tesla Megapack Catches Fire In Australia, Continues To Burn Under Supervision (msn.com)

Just some clarity on those two:

The Liverpool story is rumoured to be EV. Not fully confirmed yet, under investigation.

 

The Tesla pack fire is said to be an new install, just 48 hours old. https://reneweconomy.com.au/bouldercombe-battery-back-on-line-just-48-hours-after-fire-destroyed-tesla-megapack/

The other fire mentioned were "during the commissioning process of the Victoria Big Battery near Geelong in 2021 was ultimately blamed on a liquid coolant leak."

Both bad install? Bad QC on coolant lines?

@wyx087 I'm not taking your baiting, no matter what I say or video presenters say, or links from various media have to say, you always have to try and discredit them. I'm done with this constant battling when no battling needed to be done. No doubt you will once again want the last word, so feel free.

Edited 5 October, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

No baiting, just pointing out the bleeding obvious.   everything is driven by economics, including youtube monetisation.

 

Thanks for giving me the chance 🤪

"Charge rage" is just getting going.

It'll be interesting to see how this phenomenon evolves.

Sooner or later, someone is going to get stabbed by some lunatic who's not prepared to wait for a charger.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/24225945/ev-chargers-furious-rows-between-angry-drivers/

I certainly hope that it never gets to that, but it is a possibility, they need to ramp up the infrastructure massively.

Just now, Graham Butcher said:

I certainly hope that it never gets to that, but it is a possibility, they need to ramp up the infrastructure massively.

Oh it absolutely will get to that, the only question is when.

3 minutes ago, EnterName said:

Oh it absolutely will get to that, the only question is when.

It was kind of predictable to an extent, if you put the cart before the horse.

1 minute ago, Graham Butcher said:

It was kind of predictable to an extent, if you put the cart before the horse.

Some people are violent scumbags and will use any excuse to kick off.

Having to wait for a charger is as good a reason as any.

3 minutes ago, EnterName said:

Some people are violent scumbags and will use any excuse to kick off.

Having to wait for a charger is as good a reason as any.

True, unfortunately these days many people have a short fuse. 

I think there are better ways to spend money than employing marshals.

 

Key problem is no queuing structure, you can't easily jump a queue in petrol station. Cans of paint and some planning will easily solve that.

Longer term, invest more chargers or portable chargers to add charging capacity.

 

All solutions already mentioned here:

 

It would be interesting to see what sort of charger rage we'll get this Christmas. Remember the long Tebay service queue last Christmas?

 

Hopefully people see articles like this and plan accordingly.

Edited 5 October, 20232 yr by wyx087

I am thinking if i do buy an Ev i may carry one of these in the boot

 

 

11 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

Key problem is no queuing structure, you can't easily jump a queue in petrol station. Cans of paint and some planning will easily solve that.

 

I think this would only work if you have the space to arrange the queueing stack of cars, not easy for instance at most of the motorway services the way the chargers and parking bays are arranged.

It is hardly rocket science at motorway services type locations..  A filling station has an employee or 3 in the kiosk or shop and counter.   A hut as Carparks had and still do with a human allowing cars to the changing area with the driver having taken a Queuing ticket with a number at the barrier as they enter the parking area will do fine at busy chargers.  They are making enough money to pay a charger attendant £15 an hour.  Like a number you get at a fast food place to tell you your order is ready.  

@toot What, you still have a hut and a human at car parks in Scotland, that's cool, I that be true at all car parks, but sadly all the car parks in my city have long gone to either barriers that you have to insert a prepaid exit card into, after paying on foot at a machine, or are pay on foot at a machine and enter your registration number or by mobile phone at the time of parking, and you have to estimate the time you need and then you leave the car park a camera checks how long you paid for. If you over stayed, a PCN lands on your door mat a few days later.

 

Even the  out-of-town retail parks are all camera controlled and you either get 2hr or 3hr free, depending on which retail site you go to, no return within 1 hour and a £85 PCN charge if you stay longer than 2 hours, and that includes queueing time to exit the park, its all about the money here.

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

I think this would only work if you have the space to arrange the queueing stack of cars, not easy for instance at most of the motorway services the way the chargers and parking bays are arranged.

I was going to say remove a row of parking spaces to make way for the queuing space. But remembered peak times parking spaces can also get very full.

 

Seeing so few people use service area petrol stations, may be the answer is to install chargers there and even remove a few pumps. Queuing pathway already built.

 

I like the ticketed queuing system idea from Toot.

 

 

But actual solution is to install more charging plugs. If location has limited grid connection, share the power like Tesla V2 superchargers or Kempower. The more charging plugs the less cars have to wait in a queue. Throughput may not have improved, but it will take a lot longer to get to needing to queue.

13 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

I was going to say remove a row of parking spaces to make way for the queuing space. But remembered peak times parking spaces can also get very full.

 

Seeing so few people use service area petrol stations, may be the answer is to install chargers there and even remove a few pumps. Queuing pathway already built.

 

I like the ticketed queuing system idea from Toot.

 

 

But actual solution is to install more charging plugs. If location has limited grid connection, share the power like Tesla V2 superchargers or Kempower. The more charging plugs the less cars have to wait in a queue. Throughput may not have improved, but it will take a lot longer to get to needing to queue.

As more switchover to EV, they could actually take some pumps out and repurpose the lanes for fast charging with queueing built-in.

9 hours ago, Stonekeeper said:

I am thinking if i do buy an Ev i may carry one of these in the boot

 

 

One just needs a similar sized battery unit though the market for these still need honing in on the perfect size, output and weight.

 

Unit needs to be able to put out close to 3 kws and have a capacity of about 3 kwh and maybe take some 400w foldable solar panels which do not take up too much room.

 

EVs will oft go well beyond zero miles range but drop in to turtle mode around that zero miles but many do a dozen miles or more beyond zero 

 

These units are following a similar rapid technological improvements in energy density and quick falling cost. I will be looking to add to my Allpower 2000 pro with 2.4 kW inverter and better than the 1.5 kwh battery which is on the small side. 

 

Like EVs the tech progress with batteries is awesome Nd they can hold electricity downloaded at 9p per kwh which will give 4 or 5 miles for each 1 kwh, nice.

 

Edited 6 October, 20232 yr by lol-lol

With carrying all this extra weight around with you all the time, not only will you  maybe have no boot space left, but your miles per kwh will suffer. 

@Graham Butcher just off for the day to a NTS property.  Culzean Castle.   During opening time at the gate will be 2 people in the hut that will check membership cards and take payment and hand out membership forms.    I am fully charged so don't need to use the chargers that are free.     PS I think I mentioned Motorway services type places not Cities, but large Charging hubs built in cities should have attendants, as it is they have ones that take pictures of cars maybe in a disabled bay but with no blue badge etc.  

Edited 6 October, 20232 yr by toot

Regarding ANPR.  At the airports drop off and collect your car reg is read and you pay for the 5, 10 or 15 minutes.  Well at charger hubs you can have a sign that calls cars forward in order to. Charger number.  To get out free at airport with blue badge you press a button at the barrier and the person in a kiosk in beside the ticket machines lifts the barrier. 

Had a quick look through Screwfix power generators, all the portable ones are 3 kW. You'll be waiting for a very long time if you hope to recharge your EV with 3 kW. Even non portable 8 kW will take a long time. It's not much faster than overnight home charging at 7 kW.

 

For context, Ioniq 5 or EV 6 can charge up to 290 kW, Tesla long range trims can charge up to 250 kW. Most EV rapid charge over 80 kW these days. Even my 9 years old Leaf rapid charges at 50 kW.

 

 

Re queueing, dedicated Gridserve sites have roughly the correct idea. They use petrol station-like layout. Could do with longer approach as space for queueing. I estimate there's around 3-5 car spaces behind each row of chargers.

Also good is that when exiting from charge point, one goes around back of the building and there is plenty of parking spaces. This removes the dilemma where the car charges too quickly and family member not ready to go. If there's space to move the car, people are more willing to do best practice and vacate the charging spot.

Although from picture, I think one has to loop around once to get to charging entrance and then loop again to exit. Not sure what if there will be grid-lock if queue comes out of the charging area.

 

 

 

@ the Golf Open St Andrews and elsewhere has Diesel Generators set up for charging VIP / Transportation Mercedes Minibuses.

A real pith take but then so is Rapid Charging in St Andrews and much of Fife.