1 hour ago, UrbanPanzer said:

Being stored in the dark stops the rubber being affected by ultra violet light / sunlight / weather etc, but doesn't stop the potential corrosion "inside" the structure of the tyre.

This is why tyres over 10 years old are now banned on HGV's and PSV's irrespective if they are new or used.

 

HGV and PSV tyres are often inflated to over 100psi, so may be more prone to exploding when they get old compared to car tyres. 

Here we go again, did someone call the HGV/PSV safety police into this small hatchback thread? 🐽

ok guys,

 

another update:

 

i have just replaced the flat tyre and the mechanic noticed that the size on the spare wheel is in fact same as my other wheels. i told him that it looks smaller on the cat though and it was because the alloy/metal part on the spare wheel is smaller than the alloys on the other wheels. i have never thought to look at the sizes that is on the spare wheel.

 

the mechanic also told me the sticker is on by defualt as @AGFalco have stated.

 

i am very sorry guys to have wasted your time, i just didnt think 😞 

 

 

Sometimes we all do something without thinking, and besides, every day is a learning day - or some other quote to that effect.

its a very simple thing to check really and i could have done this and saved alot of grief. 

@froggy8 don't worry about it, we all make mistakes, no one is born knowing, everybody has to learn for a first time, I'd be surprised if that didn't include some all on here. 😉

 

If you didn't see this before - TYRE MARKINGS EXPLAINED - https://www.merityre.co.uk/tyres/introduction-to-tyre-markings

 

And Tyre Age - How Old Are My Tyres? - https://www.kwik-fit.com/tyres/information/tyre-age

 

Tyres are very important they effect the braking, steering and suspension and are more important than engine oil and such like.

 

Just a simple heads up, tyre age is used as a SALES tool by fast fit centres so you can safely ignore that nonsense.

 

The MOT insists that the tyres are each visually inspected during the test for roadworthiness, if the tyres pass the MOT then they are roadworthy.

 

Age does not make a tyre unsafe unless it has visibly deteriorated.

 

This safety police rubbish is becoming VERY tiresome (😄) indeed, it does NOT constitute best advice, it's just saying something for the sake of speaking, it's pompous and pointless and it just muddies the thread.

 

This tyre age crap is a recent phenomenon since mindless tyre fitters became aware of the EU date code moulded into the side.

Blimey I thought Victor Meldrew got run over, he must have had a lot of relatives.  (Tiresome was good though).

 

No one has put, that I've seen, that old tyres can't be used (on cars) and yes it's all about condition, a practically brand new fitted tyre could be in worse condition than a 'like new' old tyre.  Putting on an unused 14 year old tyre that needed inflating so probably wasn't checked with much frequency and is different to the other three tyres (even if same make and model) needs a little attention, thought and understanding, not much but some, and avoiding any sloppiness of thought and action from the user, and others.

 

We all know the 3rd World condition of the roads in England aren't the kindest to tyres let alone drivers who crash up kerbs.

 

Now you know the MoT, which many think of as showing a car is fine, is merely an annual test in which one qualified person gives his (rarely a woman) personal opinion, of what he can see and test, and at that one instant in time, that it meets the minimum requirements of that test.  It doesn't, as many people think, say the car is any good or as good as it could or should be, just that it is as above.

 

Personally I'd prefer old tyres, subject to their condition of course,  going back about 8-10 years now the tyres I get start crazing and cracking within a few years and I don't buy cheap tyres.

 

Edited 5 March, 20224 yr by nta16

UV is the dominant factor in tyre aging, if the outer tyre wall is visually ok then the inner definitely will be because it's in the dark its entire life, the spare even more so.

Yes dominant generally but not only factor.

 

My neighbour's 3 year old Chinese tyres have no crazing or cracking on the outer tyre walls when checked with the naked eye or (non-certified lens) magnifying glass

 

 

 

 . . . but very easily seen cracks at the bottom of the treads, an Advisory at the MoT, which surprised me as not a Fail.

 

46 minutes ago, nta16 said:

Yes dominant generally but not only factor.

 

My neighbour's 3 year old Chinese tyres have no crazing or cracking on the outer tyre walls when checked with the naked eye or (non-certified lens) magnifying glass

 

 

 

 . . . but very easily seen cracks at the bottom of the treads, an Advisory at the MoT, which surprised me as not a Fail.

 

 

Everything else is hair-splitting, UV is SO dominant, let's NOT consider quantum tunneling in a dielectric medium, changing entropy states and probabilistic statistical techniques on an unrealistic timeline.

 

Let's stop talking rubbish and concentrate on stuff that actually happens, not stuff that might happen.

 

As any good salesman will tell you, you just have to create doubt in the mind of the mark to sell them something they MIGHT need, and that my friends is bullsh!t.

Despite all your your fancy phases you might have misunderstood what I meant, are you really saying you'd bang on a 14 year old underinflated spare tyre, just inflate it until its not soft at the bottom and drive in winter as you did before fitting it.

 

You are also mistaking a good salesman for a con-artist and neglecting that many/most mechanics think customers (and salesmen) are something you wipe off the sole of your boot, some of the biggest bull**** I have heard is from bad salesmen but also from many bad mechanics, senior mechanics, "technicians" and service managers who are thus also being con-artists to cover their faults and failings and certainly not being really manly and admitting their mistakes.

 

 

3 hours ago, sepulchrave said:

Let's stop talking rubbish and concentrate on stuff that actually happens, not stuff that might happen.

Fair enough -

"Using old tyres on historic vehicles 

The new regulations exempt non-commercial vehicles aged 40 years and older from these requirements.

However, you should get all tyres of all ages regularly inspected by a competent person. This should be part of your tyre management and vehicle maintenance system.

Even if an older tyre appears safe, you need to assess and manage any risks associated with its use. A short journey at a low speed when the vehicle is lightly loaded, poses different risks to those involving long journeys, high-speed journeys, or use while the vehicle is laden." - https://movingon.blog.gov.uk/2020/12/09/ban-on-tyres-over-10-years-old-for-heavy-vehicles-and-some-minibuses

 

'Like new tyres' freshly fitted, on a model that rarely goes far or fast. -

8 hours ago, sepulchrave said:

Just a simple heads up, tyre age is used as a SALES tool by fast fit centres so you can safely ignore that nonsense.

 

The MOT insists that the tyres are each visually inspected during the test for roadworthiness, if the tyres pass the MOT then they are roadworthy.

 

Age does not make a tyre unsafe unless it has visibly deteriorated.

 

This safety police rubbish is becoming VERY tiresome (😄) indeed, it does NOT constitute best advice, it's just saying something for the sake of speaking, it's pompous and pointless and it just muddies the thread.

 

This tyre age crap is a recent phenomenon since mindless tyre fitters became aware of the EU date code moulded into the side.

 

Absolute rubbish.

 

The age thing came in because of deaths caused by aged tyres, it was pursued through the courts by a parent of one of the unfortunate victims killed in a coach crash due to loosing control, it took several years to get into law and after extensive testing it was found tyres deteriorate over time, does not matter if they are kept in the dark, that affects the rubber side of the tyre, not the steel in the structure.

 

And as usual you like to spout your safety police lines. I posted the information, for precisley that reason, information and never once said "dont fit your spare as it will blow up" coz of it's age.

 

You telling people to ignore tyre age is dam right irresponsible.

Except you're forgetting this thread is about the spare tyre found in the boot of a 2008 Fabia 1.2, apparently the date code on that tyre was from 2007! 😱

 

It's completely ridiculous, my brand new spare is from 2001, it's correctly inflated too, guess what I'm gonna do if I get a flat, I'm gonna fit it and carry on driving!

Edited 5 March, 20224 yr by sepulchrave

Just now, sepulchrave said:

Except you're forgetting this thread is about the spare tyre found in the boot of a 2008 Fabia 1.2, apparently the date code on that tyre was from 2007! 😱

 

It's completely ridiculous, my brand new spare is from 2001, it's correctly inflated too, guess what I'm gonna do if I get flat, I'm gonna fit it and carry on driving!

 

thats your choice, your entitled to that,

 

but don't wash over facts because you disagree with them.

1 minute ago, UrbanPanzer said:

 

thats your choice, your entitled to that,

 

but don't wash over facts because you disagree with them.

 

I'm simply pointing how ridiculous and irrelevant what you're saying is, you really can't stop yourself and it's not the first time either.

 

This is not a general discussion forum about vintage cars, PSV's or HGV's, my advice is confined to Fabias only.

 

They're not words to live by, they're words to fix your Fabia by!

My spare is dated 2006 IIRC. Used it once when my one of my alloys decided to give a big FU to me and deflated itself. No, I didn't spontaneously combust. No, no nuns were bonnet ornaments. And no, the hedge and I didn't become well-acquainted. If the age thing is of a concern, then make the choice not to use it. Free country (allegedly, that's a discussion for another thread though) so no-one is going to burn you at the stake like the 17th century witch trials in Salem for a 15ish year old tyre. The OP has solved their own problem, and I'm no expert, but doesn't that signify the end of the thread?

 

EDIT: I do think if the tyre is visually f****d or definitely getting past its best then it's not right to use it, from a safety aspect at least. Once again, personal and moral choice, however. Apologies if it comes across as if I'm having a go by the way, that's not the intention.

Edited 5 March, 20224 yr by AnnoyingPentium
Maybe made sense, I think?

jeez.............this place.

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, sepulchrave said:

my brand new spare is from 2001, it's correctly inflated too,

Do you not see that is the point - you know, you know your spare tyre is correctly inflated, some will see their spare for the first time when they actually need it and discover that it's underinflated, by how much they don't know but can see and feel it's "soft".  You also know your is from 2001, that shows you know about tyres and reading the information off the sidewall.  You can make a very well informed decision about its use.

 

Personally I think you've wasted a lot carrying around a brand new tyre for 21 years without use, but each to their own beliefs.

 

Edited 5 March, 20224 yr by nta16

3 minutes ago, nta16 said:

Personally I think you've wasted a lot carrying around a brand new tyre for 21 years without use, but each to their own beliefs.

 

Aye, but sod's law dictates that you'd take the thing out the boot, throw it in the shed, and end up with a nail through one of the tyres on the car when you're away from the house.

Edited 5 March, 20224 yr by AnnoyingPentium
Grammar and so on.

14 minutes ago, AnnoyingPentium said:

throw it in the shed

That is exactly where my 'spare wheel' is.  Do you want me to check the date on it and its inflation.  I'd guess about 2017 and over-inflated but it's too dark to see without taking it outside.  😁

 

1 minute ago, nta16 said:

That is exactly where my 'spare wheel' is.  Do you want me to check the date on it and its inflation.  I'd guess about 2017 and over-inflated but it's too dark to see without taking it outside.  😁

 

 

Mine lives in its respective well in the boot of the car and stays there since the last time I got a flat tyre I was quite a few miles from the house. Plus I've got four spares in the shed anyway from when the Bohemia alloys went on.

7 hours ago, nta16 said:

 

 . . . but very easily seen cracks at the bottom of the treads, an Advisory at the MoT, which surprised me as not a Fail.

 

Please note - These are mechanics, qualified and certified to carry out MOT's with a full understanding of the specific requirements laid out in the MOT Testers Manual,

 

6 minutes ago, nta16 said:

 

Personally I think you've wasted a lot carrying around a brand new tyre for 21 years without use, but each to their own beliefs.

He has obviously carried a spare for 21 years due to not needing it - I cannot understand the logic in the "wasted a lot" statement. I have no idea of the date of the spare in my Greenline that did not have a spare when new, only a bottle of miracle glue which I would have no faith in, so I will have purchased a wheel/tyre of suitable dimension that I periodically check the pressure of. Should I find it is loosing pressure I would get it removed/inspected and re-sealed/seated if applicable. Do you get 5 tyres fitted every time - 1 on each corner and 1 in the boot.

 This thread is getting stupid with too many keyboard warriors going widely off focus on the original issue.

Please note -

9 hours ago, nta16 said:

Now you know the MoT, which many think of as showing a car is fine, is merely an annual test in which one qualified person gives his (rarely a woman) personal opinion, of what he can see and test, and at that one instant in time, that it meets the minimum requirements of that test.  It doesn't, as many people think, say the car is any good or as good as it could or should be, just that it is as above.

 

If he's not used it in 21 years, what other spare parts are carried just in case, in the words of the poster himself -

6 hours ago, sepulchrave said:

concentrate on stuff that actually happens, not stuff that might happen.

😁  I didn't say he shouldn't carry a spare, I'm allowed to say personally I think it's a waste (light heatedly).  There is logic to it but you would not agree with it I'm sure so let's call it my preference.

 

12 minutes ago, KeithCheetham said:

Do you get 5 tyres fitted every time - 1 on each corner and 1 in the boot.

Depends on what can be fitted in the boot, if full sized wheel and tyre then tyre rotation involving the spare wheel, so depends on the wear and the person buying the tyres as to how many they buy.  The decades old now modern fashion for oversized wheels and overwide tyres would mean loss of boot space.

 

32 minutes ago, KeithCheetham said:

only a bottle of miracle glue which I would have no faith in,

It is what the manufacturer has provided and has been deemed by people who check these sort of things, in a similar way to what you do, to be suitable.  You have expressed a personal preference and thought which I can not see the logic of - but I accept it as your preference.

 

Not everyone's personality, mindset and posting presentation is the same, a bit more tolerance from all of us wouldn't go amiss

 

I don't carry any spares other than the wheel and some bulbs, I haven't had a car break down since my Cavalier FWD stripped its cambelt back in the 90's and coasted to a halt ten miles from home, missus picked me up and dropped me back the next day with a new belt which I changed by the roadside and drove it home.

I maintain my stuff properly and I only buy things I know will be reliable.