Hello Chaps,

 

 I have recently bought a 2022 Superb L&K 2.0 TSI . The stock power, torque and DSG tune leave a lot on the table and I am looking for solutions to make the car more enjoyable. I have 6 year warranty on the car and would like to ensure that I retain it. I am looking for either a plug in module or a set of ECU maps (along with the hard ware to flash the ECU back to stock state of tune before service) to do so. 

 

Plug in Module :

RaceChip in Germany seem good, but I am looking at other options as well

 

ECU Flashing:

Alien Tech seems to be a good bit of hardware if I can get Maps from a reliable tuner. Would it be possible to load multiple maps into the car using the car's 4 modes? Would this negate the warranty if I were to revert back to stock maps in the event the car needs to go back to the service centre? 

 

Thanks in Advance!

 

tEC

The short answer is - any remap whether to engine or gearbox will invalidate your warranty.

 

tuning boxes can still be detected even after removal as they run a test procedure that compares values that the car has hit eg. Max boost, speed, torque, fuel pressure and compare these to what the maximum could possibly be, if they’re above that it’s clear there is tampering.

 

if you had engine or gearbox issues, there is 100% chance they will check as they don’t get paid by the big Skoda bosses otherwise.

Also, unless it's the 4x4 top end version, it will just provide even more annoying scrabbly wheelspin. I found it embarrassingly easy to break traction quickly exiting a junction in mine. 

A pedal box may be a go alternative. It vastly improves the drivability while not tampering with any systems. May still void warranty but not heard either way unlike a full tuning box or map.

Thanks, so it seems that a remap is completely out of question for now.  If I put a tuning box in and remove it for a couple of hundred Km before service, it may work. How is the Race Chip tuning and pedal box for this car? May decide to just do the pedal box as improving throttle response would certainly do a lot for drive-ability. 

It depends on your appetite for risk. I fitted a JB1 piggy back ECU the day after I took delivery of my new Superb (280 4x4). It is relatively easily fitted - and also removed, should I wish to. I accept in the worst case scenario that the changed turbo boost/fueling etc operating parameters could subsequently be detected. However, after just over a year there have been zero issues. I also had a JB1 fitted to a previous vehicle for 18 months and again without issue. I consider the piggy back ECU to be an acceptable risk in return for substantially improved performance. But everyone is different.

Edited 2 April, 20224 yr by fencer

3 hours ago, fencer said:

It depends on your appetite for risk. I fitted a JB1 piggy back ECU the day after I took delivery of my new Superb (280 4x4). It is relatively easily fitted - and also removed, should I wish to. I accept in the worst case scenario that the changed turbo boost/fueling etc operating parameters could subsequently be detected. However, after just over a year there have been zero issues. I also had a JB1 fitted to a previous vehicle for 18 months and again without issue. I consider the piggy back ECU to be an acceptable risk in return for substantially improved performance. But everyone is different.

 

Thanks Fencer. This may be the best option. Do you have any experience with Race Chip? I am thinking of doing the Pedal Box in conjunction with the piggy back. They are running a discount for the next week and it is a decent savings. I don't think JB1 has a product for my version. It is a 190 HP 320 NM Torque standard 2.0 TSI. Your 4x4 sounds delicious! 

You do not retain a Warranty if in the T&C,s and exclusions talk about Factory Approved Engine management / software or Hardware.    Fitting a tuning box which really needs declaring with an insurer means that any Loss Adjuster working for the Manufacturer / Warranty Provider / financial establishments can check.   Manufacturers are not stupid and going to pay out thousands of any currency if they can get out of it.     @theEntreriCode how did you manage to buy 6 years of a warranty?     If you have the car as a keeper it is as well to enjoy it for the time you own it and get a remap and if things fail with the engine or drivetrain then pay to fix them.  If you are just driving public roads with the car then are you even using half the cars potential standard or tuned?

Edited 2 April, 20224 yr by roottoot

@roottoot what's your view on pedal box's for warranty? I'm fairly certain all it does is alter the application of throttle signal. There should be no out of the ordinary logging going on as the it's no different to pressing the pedal differently.

That's my theory anyway.

i've had/have  a peddlebox ,  imo,  a peddlebox is snake oil,

dont waste your money, change the throttle response to direct with obd11 and use sport mode, 

 

I have had a DTUK pedal box on my Sportline for the past five years. It immediately eliminated the 1" too 1 1/2" of dead throttle pedal travel before anything happened, which makes low speed manoeuvres, like parallel parking, much more easily controlled.

 

It does not make your car faster, it only modifies the signal to the ECU. It has settings which make the throttle input more or less aggressive. I have it set to one of the least aggressive settings.

 

I have left the pedal box in place during all five dealer annual services and it has never been mentioned. I have declared it to my insurance company.

 

For £180, I thought it was a bargain.

12 minutes ago, freelunch said:

I have had a DTUK pedal box on my Sportline for the past five years. It immediately eliminated the 1" too 1 1/2" of dead throttle pedal travel before anything happened, which makes low speed manoeuvres, like parallel parking, much more easily controlled.

 

It does not make your car faster, it only modifies the signal to the ECU. It has settings which make the throttle input more or less aggressive. I have it set to one of the least aggressive settings.

 

I have left the pedal box in place during all five dealer annual services and it has never been mentioned. I have declared it to my insurance company.

 

For £180, I thought it was a bargain.

The main reason people buy a pedalbox is to increase the throttle response, but you can do the same thing with the obd11 change and using sport mode.

So why part with £180 of your hard earned 

1 hour ago, roottoot said:

   @theEntreriCode how did you manage to buy 6 years of a warranty?   

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He lives in India.

 

Skoda India do a six year extended warranty.

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Thanks.  You do not see that when on a phone, or i don't.

9 hours ago, 310golfr said:

The main reason people buy a pedalbox is to increase the throttle response, but you can do the same thing with the obd11 change and using sport mode.

So why part with £180 of your hard earned 

Because it is simple and I can understand it. It was recommended by other Briskoda users. It came with a money back guarantee. I had the money.

 

I have a MaxiScan OBD II code reader, which I plugged in once, read the report and haven't used since. The pedal box works for me.

I adjusted my throttle response settings within a few weeks of getting the car as junctions and roundabouts etc were damn near dangerous due to the lag.  Compared to the pedal box, changing the pedal settings over vcds made very little difference from the experience I had. 

As above, vcds tweaks and sport mode are not the same as a pedal box. If that works for you then all good and saving a bit of cash. It's definitely not snake oil as the adjustment can be tuned to how you like it from nice and gentle to OMG! All the while removing/reducing the dead spot at start of the stroke. Vcds can't do all that.

On 02/04/2022 at 17:43, roottoot said:

You do not retain a Warranty if in the T&C,s and exclusions talk about Factory Approved Engine management / software or Hardware.    Fitting a tuning box which really needs declaring with an insurer means that any Loss Adjuster working for the Manufacturer / Warranty Provider / financial establishments can check.   Manufacturers are not stupid and going to pay out thousands of any currency if they can get out of it.     @theEntreriCode how did you manage to buy 6 years of a warranty?     If you have the car as a keeper it is as well to enjoy it for the time you own it and get a remap and if things fail with the engine or drivetrain then pay to fix them.  If you are just driving public roads with the car then are you even using half the cars potential standard or tuned?

 

As mentioned by someone else, Skoda offers 6 year warranty as a paid option in my local market. Unfortunately for us, Skoda has also tweaked the response of the car a fair bit as most owners of this barge would be chauffeured here. My intention was to buy a 330i or a pre-owned 530D but the family wanted the Superb, so Superb it was. The performance however leaves a lot to be desired in comparison. To be fair, it is far from in-adequate in the real world so I don't mean to come across as churlish.  I would definitely like to make the Superb a bit more drive-able if I can do so without risking the warranty. Adjusting the Throttle response will certainly make a world of difference. Having experienced 8 years of good will warranty replacements due to faulty mechatronics unit on a family members Gen 2 Superb, anything that will negate the warranty is a no go for me. I keep my cars 7-10 years; likely closer to 10 for something like this, so I will certainly re-map it at some point. Waiting 6 years to do so however seems crazy. 

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On 02/04/2022 at 19:07, freelunch said:

I have had a DTUK pedal box on my Sportline for the past five years. It immediately eliminated the 1" too 1 1/2" of dead throttle pedal travel before anything happened, which makes low speed manoeuvres, like parallel parking, much more easily controlled.

 

It does not make your car faster, it only modifies the signal to the ECU. It has settings which make the throttle input more or less aggressive. I have it set to one of the least aggressive settings.

 

I have left the pedal box in place during all five dealer annual services and it has never been mentioned. I have declared it to my insurance company.

 

For £180, I thought it was a bargain.

 

19 hours ago, MarkyG82 said:

As above, vcds tweaks and sport mode are not the same as a pedal box. If that works for you then all good and saving a bit of cash. It's definitely not snake oil as the adjustment can be tuned to how you like it from nice and gentle to OMG! All the while removing/reducing the dead spot at start of the stroke. Vcds can't do all that.

 

I was hoping a VCDS modulation would have worked well, but thank you for this feedback. I think a pedal box maybe a worthwhile investment. 

Thought I updated this thread rather than start a new one!

 

So R-Tech in Nuneaton have start tuning the MK3 Superb!  Had they been doing it sooner they would have been my first choice for tuning mines.

 

 

I fitted a TDI-tuning box & throttle pedal box to my 220tsi & am very happy with the difference. 

Their products are a good bit cheaper than racechip

On 01/04/2022 at 08:39, theEntreriCode said:

Hello Chaps,

 

 I have recently bought a 2022 Superb L&K 2.0 TSI . The stock power, torque and DSG tune leave a lot on the table and I am looking for solutions to make the car more enjoyable. I have 6 year warranty on the car and would like to ensure that I retain it. I am looking for either a plug in module or a set of ECU maps (along with the hard ware to flash the ECU back to stock state of tune before service) to do so. 

 

Plug in Module :

RaceChip in Germany seem good, but I am looking at other options as well

 

ECU Flashing:

Alien Tech seems to be a good bit of hardware if I can get Maps from a reliable tuner. Would it be possible to load multiple maps into the car using the car's 4 modes? Would this negate the warranty if I were to revert back to stock maps in the event the car needs to go back to the service centre? 

 

Thanks in Advance!

 

tEC

Always gone with remap and All done in excess of 100k miles no problem…. By a good reputable tuner as they test the maps extensively before releasing into the market.. yes there is risk associated with engine and drive train warrantee but I would say less risk with a proper map than a box because map is still keeping things within tolerance.. the box AFAIK fools things and doesn’t map every parameter that a map will. Therefore more chance of a component failure. (Also still traceable if manufacturer wants to find it)

Things that can add wear to parts are torque spikes in the map to (get extra few nm) intake and exhaust temps to high. not worth it for a few extra figures..

for safety a nice smooth delivery and within a useable range.. some peak hp figures occur just before red line. For normal rd use that’d be a waste. 
hope that makes some sense. And remember every car is different so custom map or generic then tweaked on a dyno will always be safer than a box that is generic to the nice new car it was written on originally. Also dsg map is worth doing. 
I’ve found the tvs engineering one best I’ve ever had and some nice life extender features included. Like changing down to first instead of slllping at junctions in 2nd also changing up at slightly higher revs when pottering around to reduce low rev  load 

Edited 2 May, 20224 yr by Esseesse200

Re testing extensively. 

APR /REVO and other will tell the possible gains of a petrol car on 98 ron petrol.

 

REVO were selling Stage 1 for 1.4 TSI Twinchargers and it was a really crap remap.

Development and extensive testing must have gone a bit Pete Tong. 

 

98 ton petrol has not been sold in the UK for years, it is 97 or 99 ron minimum now in the UK and now E5.

95 ron being E10.

 

Know what fuel you are running your car on and get it on a Dyno before the remap when properly serviced or any hardware upgrades are done then afterwards.

Edited 2 May, 20224 yr by roottoot

10 hours ago, roottoot said:

Re testing extensively. 

APR /REVO and other will tell the possible gains of a petrol car on 98 ron petrol.

 

REVO were selling Stage 1 for 1.4 TSI Twinchargers and it was a really crap remap.

Development and extensive testing must have gone a bit Pete Tong. 

 

98 ton petrol has not been sold in the UK for years, it is 97 or 99 ron minimum now in the UK and now E5.

95 ron being E10.

 

Know what fuel you are running your car on and get it on a Dyno before the remap when properly serviced or any hardware upgrades are done then afterwards.

I remember that map for the twin charger. I had a CTHE car but wouldn’t dare have it mapped due to the engine being made of cheese and the fact hardly anyone did maps for them because if they did they were almost certainly guaranteed to go wrong quicker. Agreed about fuel too.. if it’s mapped to run 97-99 then I needs to run that ideally.. 

just had a tvs engine a box map for my sportline 272 and it’s absolutely spot on but that’s mapped to run 99 octane.. they do a flex fuel option now which allows the ecu to detect ron and change the map accordingly.. not a cheap mod tho because different fuel pumps and octane sensors added to the list of bits required.. but also allows E85 to be used.. some research involved in that set up I’d imagine 

12 minutes ago, Esseesse200 said:

they do a flex fuel option now which allows the ecu to detect ron and change the map accordingly.. not a cheap mod tho because different fuel pumps and octane sensors added to the list of bits required.. but also allows E85 to be used.. some research involved in that set up I’d imagine 

Every petrol engine management system from the mid 90's if not before have had that feature as standard, it's called a knock sensor and 3D mapping.

1 hour ago, J.R. said:

Every petrol engine management system from the mid 90's if not before have had that feature as standard, it's called a knock sensor and 3D mapping.

Sorry my mistake. Seems it’s an ethanol sensor not octane sensor.