Eibach Pro-Kit lowering springs and scrubbing question

[Frankenfurter]

I'm running the following setup on my Superb 206/280 4x4:

 

Stock Springs

wheels ET35 20x8.5

Tyres 245/35/20

 

This is the effect of my current setup from stock. While the poke is +15.4mm it is roughly equivalent to running the stock 19s with 10-12mm spacers on the stock wheels when you consider the 245/35 is spread over a slightly wider wheel.

 

I'm considering trying the Eibach Pro Kit E10-79-012-04-22, which would likely give me about a 20-25mm drop considering my car's springs have settled over the last 5 years.

My concern or perhaps question is: Will there be a risk of scrubbing on spring compression? I'd love to hear from anyone who has a Superb 4x4 with the Eibach kit and especially from people who either run spacers on the stock wheels or who also run 20s.

Edited 3 November, 2022 by Frankenfurter

[fencer]

 

I have a 206/280 4x4, with stock 19 inch Supernova wheels and tyres, and have fitted the Eibach Pro-Kit E10-79-012-04-22 and run 12mm spacers. I have not had any scrubbing at all, so no issues.

 

However, one thing I will say is that I believe the drop on the front is a fraction too much with this kit and has given the vehicle a 'nose down' stance, which I don't care for overly from an aesthetic point of view. I stress there has been no mechanical or scrubbing issues with this ride height, it's just the overall stance of the vehicle. I think the rear spring height is just right and it would look better if the front matched it more to give the vehicle a more level stance. To that end I have been in touch with Eibach Australia recently and they are going to supply me with revised front springs that will effectively raise the front height by 13mm. So it will change the overall lowering on the front from around 30mm at the moment to around 17mm. I am hopeful this will resolve the issue. I don't have the part number yet of these new springs, but if people are interested I will post it when I receive the springs. 

Edited 3 November, 2022 by fencer

[MartiniB]

@fencer

please share then Eibach part code, interesting will it be different as i have chosen

 

still searching for Eibach Pro stiffness with zero lowering for rear axle of my next 2023 280ps

 

for current 2016 220ps FWD i have luckily guessed, by first attempt, these:

Eibach Pro F11-85-043-02-FA front (from weightier Audi Q2) will be perfect also on AWD
Eibach Pro F11-79-008-01-HA rear (from weightier Superb 4x4) acceptable -12mm on FWD Superb, but on AWD will be too low
-> https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/485647-bilstein-b6-dcc-shock-absorbers-available-at-last/?do=findComment&comment=5625462

 

 

empty car (Superb 2016 2.0TSI 220ps DSG6 FWD DCC):

 

with four passengers, without pilot:

 

standard springs after 4 years:

[JR RS]

8 hours ago, fencer said:

 

I have a 206/280 4x4, with stock 19 inch Supernova wheels and tyres, and have fitted the Eibach Pro-Kit E10-79-012-04-22 and run 12mm spacers. I have not had any scrubbing at all, so no issues.

 

 

I have the same setup too, with no issues either.  But I have only 10mm spacers at the rear because I have 245/40 tyres. 

The rear was fine with 235/40 tyres and 15mm spacers, but with 245 tyres, it scrubbed on compression.  Hence I reduced the spacers to 10mm at the rear. 

No issues now.

 

@Frankenfurter unlike us, is running 20" wheels that r 8.5" wide, wearing 245/35 tyres.

Hence his question if it will scrub on compression after he lowers it on the Eibach Pro-kit springs.

 

I think some negative camber on the rear will solve his problem.

fronts will b fine.

Edited 3 November, 2022 by JR RS

[Frankenfurter]

9 hours ago, fencer said:

 

I have a 206/280 4x4, with stock 19 inch Supernova wheels and tyres, and have fitted the Eibach Pro-Kit E10-79-012-04-22 and run 12mm spacers. I have not had any scrubbing at all, so no issues.

 

However, one thing I will say is that I believe the drop on the front is a fraction too much with this kit and has given the vehicle a 'nose down' stance, which I don't care for overly from an aesthetic point of view. I stress there has been no mechanical or scrubbing issues with this ride height, it's just the overall stance of the vehicle. I think the rear spring height is just right and it would look better if the front matched it more to give the vehicle a more level stance. To that end I have been in touch with Eibach Australia recently and they are going to supply me with revised front springs that will effectively raise the front height by 13mm. So it will change the overall lowering on the front from around 30mm at the moment to around 17mm. I am hopeful this will resolve the issue. I don't have the part number yet of these new springs, but if people are interested I will post it when I receive the springs. 

Interesting about the stance. Do you have any photos of that low nose stance you could share?

[fencer]

The Superb design has a natural nose down stance anyway, and with the Eibach Pro-Kit, this tends to accentuate it. If I remember rightly E10-79-012-04-22 front springs (F11-85-042-03-FA) are 5mm lower than the rear springs for some reason as well. Some people might like this dropped look at the front or may not even really notice it, but for me I would prefer just a little more clearance at the front and a more level stance to the vehicle in general. I think they got the height at the back just right, as even the Sportline on OE springs looks too high over the rear wheels.

[JR RS]

I think with the overall design of the Superb body - u can't avoid that "nose heavy" look.

Another reason why I got the Rieger side skirts, to fill out the sides as it made the car look more nose heavy without it.

 

The Eibach Pro-kit springs have dropped evenly on mine, with even wheel gaps front & back.

When I measure from the distance from top arch centre to the bottom of tyre - it is 670 mm all-round.

 

Edited 3 November, 2022 by JR RS

[JR RS]

10 minutes ago, fencer said:

The Superb design has a natural nose down stance anyway, and with the Eibach Pro-Kit, this tends to accentuate it. If I remember rightly E10-79-012-04-22 front springs (F11-85-042-03-FA) are 5mm lower than the rear springs for some reason as well. Some people might like this dropped look at the front or may not even really notice it, but for me I would prefer just a little more clearance at the front and a more level stance to the vehicle in general. I think they got the height at the back just right, as even the Sportline on OE springs looks too high over the rear wheels.

 

 

i just noticed u got E10-79 series springs!!

that's for the Wagons - would explain why ur rear hasn't dropped as much the front.  the wagon has a heavier backend than the liftback.

 

the E10-85 series is the correct springs for the sedan/liftback.

• E10-85-042-03-22 - FWD Sedan
• E10-85-041-04-22 - AWD Sedan

 

For the Wagons.....

• E10-79-012-03-22 - FWD Wagon
• E10-79-012-04-22 - AWD Wagon

Edited 3 November, 2022 by JR RS

[Donweather]

3 hours ago, JR RS said:

 

I have the same setup too, with no issues either.  But I have only 10mm spacers at the rear because I have 245/40 tyres. 

The rear was fine with 235/40 tyres and 15mm spacers, but with 245 tyres, it scrubbed on compression.  Hence I reduced the spacers to 10mm at the rear. 

No issues now.

 

@Frankenfurter unlike us, is running 20" wheels that r 8.5" wide, wearing 245/35 tyres.

Hence his question if it will scrub on compression after he lowers it on the Eibach Pro-kit springs.

 

I think some negative camber on the rear will solve his problem.

fronts will b fine.

I think I may have asked this before but do you have DCC?  If so, did it scrub even with the DCC set to sport?

[fencer]

 

There's a whole thread on here about how Eibach hasn't got consistent part numbers between its catalogue and its website, and also they're still showing part numbers from a pre-2017 catalogue which seemed to change to a different number after 2017. I've attached but one post from that thread trying to clarify it. It is inconsistent and confusing.

 

I have confirmed with Eibach Australia that, either way, I have the correct Pro-Kit springs for the AWD lift back. However, as discussed, they've now ordered new front springs from Germany (not clear what part number yet) that will "raise" the front by 13mm.

[JR RS]

@fencer- I dealt with a person at Eibach Sydney office - there was no confusion about part numbers between hatch or wagon. The same part numbers apply to the Passat B8.

Either way - good luck with ur new springs.

 

 

@Donweather- yes, my car has DCC, which means it was already 15mm lower than standard, from factory.

Also, the different modes do not change ride height.  So putting it in Sport will not have an effect, apart from ur compression rates.

 

Edited 3 November, 2022 by JR RS

[Donweather]

1 minute ago, JR RS said:

So putting it in Sport will not have an effect, apart from ur compression rates.

This was exactly my point in asking the question.  Sport mode should have a different compression.

[JR RS]

5 minutes ago, Donweather said:

This was exactly my point in asking the question.  Sport mode should have a different compression.

ah i see.

unfortunately, it still scrubbed (only at the rear) in Sport mode with 245/40/19, 15mm spacers and lowered.  i could hear it scrubbing when taking corners.

 

with 235/40/19, 15mm spacers and lowered - no scrubbing in any mode, or any compressions.

with 245/40/19, 10mm spacers and lowered - no scrubbing in any mode, or any compressions.

 

[Frankenfurter]

Thanks from all the responses. As a follow on question, has anyone had experience with adding spring seats from other models?

 

I saw in this thread:

The Audi TT spring seats for the rear offer and extra 6.5mm of ride height (OE part number: 8J0512149). Does anyone know if similar spring seats exist for the front? I'm constantly loading the rear so this appeals to me but clawing back a couple of mm up front would also be nice having seen some of the settles ride heights with Eibach.

 

[MartiniB]

11 hours ago, JR RS said:

• E10-85-042-03-22 - FWD Sedan
• E10-85-041-04-22 - AWD Sedan

• E10-79-012-03-22 - FWD Wagon
• E10-79-012-04-22 - AWD Wagon

 

interesting, FWD/AWD doesn't affect rear springs

 

 

 

 

[globalste]

On 03/11/2022 at 11:49, fencer said:

 

 

 

I am hopeful this will resolve the issue. I don't have the part number yet of these new springs, but if people are interested I will post it when I receive the springs. 

 

I've been looking at some Eibach springs for a while, but i don't like the large drop on the front (the Eibach springs are 70mm shorter!), did you ever receive the new springs?  How did they look?  Did you post the part number, i couldn't find it.

[MartiniB]

@globalste

third post, Eibach stiffness without lowering

 

[JR RS]

4 hours ago, globalste said:

 

I've been looking at some Eibach springs for a while, but i don't like the large drop on the front (the Eibach springs are 70mm shorter!), did you ever receive the new springs?  How did they look?  Did you post the part number, i couldn't find it.

 

Large drop!?!?

If u have DCC, the drop is only 20-25mm.

If don't, then the drop is 30-35mm.

 

Anything more that 40mm is starting to get "large drop" and will affect other suspension components.

 

This is mine on Eibach Pro-kit Springs.

 

[fencer]

13 hours ago, globalste said:

 

I've been looking at some Eibach springs for a while, but i don't like the large drop on the front (the Eibach springs are 70mm shorter!), did you ever receive the new springs?  How did they look?  Did you post the part number, i couldn't find it.

 

 

Yes, I did receive the new front springs from Eibach and had them fitted. Part number: F11-85-043-02-FA

 

As listed in a post above, they are designed for the Audi Q2, but Eibach was confident they would also work well with the Superb, which they do.

 

They result in a slightly larger tyre-to-guard gap compared to the rears (see image), but it doesn't offend me. And to my eye anyway, it gives the car a more level overall stance than it otherwise would have. I also haven't scraped the front spoiler on gutters and driveways since having these fitted😉

 

I've been very happy with the Eibach springs overall, especially when matched with an uprated rear sway bar.

[globalste]

Cheers, I see what you mean now and that the gaps are slightly different 

 

my reason for asking was that I have an iV which has the extra 180kg near the rear axle and the motor gubbins up front so Eibach give higher rating axle weights.  

When we go away we put bikes on the back, dogs in the boot, Roofbox on etc, so we had some mad-suspension helper springs fitted to the rear which work brilliantly.  My thought is if I fit Eibach springs as well, the rear isn’t going to drop by the full amount due to the helper springs and hence the front will look silly.

 

Also, a lot of driveways in the UK don’t take kindly to a front splitter which is why I didn’t want it dropped the full amount.  I will measure my arch gaps today!

[MartiniB]

@globalste

for front axle F11-85-043-02-FA will be ok

for rear, chose one of these, and share us result

11-79-013-01-RA

11-85-016-10-HA

11-85-026-03-HA

11-85-011-01-HA

 

[globalste]

For the rear Eibach recommend the 11-85-016-10-HA, so I might try those with the Q2 springs.  
 

I wonder why they make so many different lengths and coil thickness for a single vehicle…

[MartiniB]

3 hours ago, globalste said:

rear 11-85-016-10-HA, so I might try those

please share info about "Outlet" mms and pictures from side before and after

like example in third post, which are from my previous Mk3 2.0 TSI 220ps FWD

now i searching 30 mm higher for current Mk3.FL 2.0 TSI 280ps AWD

 

front axle will got a tested Q2 springs

 

[Esseesse200]

On 03/11/2022 at 05:56, Frankenfurter said:

I'm running the following setup on my Superb 206/280 4x4:

 

Stock Springs

wheels ET35 20x8.5

Tyres 245/35/20

 

This is the effect of my current setup from stock. While the poke is +15.4mm it is roughly equivalent to running the stock 19s with 10-12mm spacers on the stock wheels when you consider the 245/35 is spread over a slightly wider wheel.

 

I'm considering trying the Eibach Pro Kit E10-79-012-04-22, which would likely give me about a 20-25mm drop considering my car's springs have settled over the last 5 years.

My concern or perhaps question is: Will there be a risk of scrubbing on spring compression? I'd love to hear from anyone who has a Superb 4x4 with the Eibach kit and especially from people who either run spacers on the stock wheels or who also run 20s.

272 estate with koni specials an H&R springs. 12mm spacers all round with 19’s and 15mm spacers with 18” winters  No rubbing not even loaded fully.

 

Edited 3 February by Esseesse200

[Esseesse200]

On 03/11/2022 at 05:56, Frankenfurter said:

I'm running the following setup on my Superb 206/280 4x4:

 

Stock Springs

wheels ET35 20x8.5

Tyres 245/35/20

 

This is the effect of my current setup from stock. While the poke is +15.4mm it is roughly equivalent to running the stock 19s with 10-12mm spacers on the stock wheels when you consider the 245/35 is spread over a slightly wider wheel.

 

I'm considering trying the Eibach Pro Kit E10-79-012-04-22, which would likely give me about a 20-25mm drop considering my car's springs have settled over the last 5 years.

My concern or perhaps question is: Will there be a risk of scrubbing on spring compression? I'd love to hear from anyone who has a Superb 4x4 with the Eibach kit and especially from people who either run spacers on the stock wheels or who also run 20s.

272 estate with koni specials an H&R springs. 12mm spacers all round with 19’s and 15mm spacers with 18” winters  No rubbing not even loaded fully.

 

Edited 3 February by Esseesse200