Thinking of buying a Mk2 Fabia vRS?

[Andy Cope]

When did Skoda start using CTHE engine in Fabia MK2 VRS? What month and was it from 2012 or 2013. Thanks

[Ootohere]

About August 2012 are the first UK registered ones.

MY13 after the factory summer break. 

 

They still never got the first ones right and needed a software update, even some needed the Breather Mod and then Oil Spray Jet updates.

2013 another Software update.

 

(I ordered a New Seat Ibiza Cupra with the new engine, new engine management, they were delayed being sold / imported until the balls-up was sorted out.) 

They dropped a VED band to the same as the POLO GTI had been.  Later the Kerb Weight had to be corrected by VW / SEAT, because as usual they lied.

Heavier cars, wider tyres, shows as more efficient and faster even though not.

http://autocar.co.uk/car-review/seat/ibiza-cupra-2009-2017/first-drives/seat-ibiza-cupra-first-drive

http://autocar.co.uk/car-review/seat/ibiza-cupra-2009-2017

 

 

So the 2012-2013 early CTHE never got the Service Campaign '34F7' carried out on the DSG, or the then 2013-2015 '34H5' software update.

See the last pages of the pinned thread up top.   That was another balls-up. 

 

About 1,800 CAVE, then 1,000 CTHE.   Around 800 are estates in the UK.

Edited 7 January, 2023 by toot

[Ootohere]

Members helped with this.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/426080-evo-magazine-buying-guide

 

http://evo.co.uk/skoda/fabia-vrs

 

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http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/453390-buying-a-mk2-fabia-vrs

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/472431-fabia-vrs-mk2-cave-issues-and-tabs

 

This was one of the last vRS registered in the UK.  The Service Campaign was missed.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/432730-oil-leak

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/483018-gearbox-issue

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/503146-mechatronic-leaking

 

These are linked in other threads, might as well go here as well.

Not always factually correct info...

 

 

 

Ex member.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 7 January, 2023 by toot

[Ootohere]

Great to listen to someone that knows about the cars, the details and drives & lives with them long term. 

 

 

 

 

Edited 7 January, 2023 by toot

[sepulchrave]

5 hours ago, Andy Cope said:

When did Skoda start using CTHE engine in Fabia MK2 VRS? What month and was it from 2012 or 2013. Thanks

 

I bet you're glad you asked for three pages of cut and paste madness instead of asking a simple question!

[Ootohere]

He got the answer right away. Top line.

 

The rest he can ignore after a week of asking if anyone was selling one. 

The info is all in the section, the pinned thread are at the top of the page, and all the stuff has been getting covered for 10 years.

 

Maybe it is time that the stuff was summed up easily.    The last video linked does that. 

[UrbanPanzer]

interesting videos.........2 videos have the same car which had a replacement engine at 6000 miles and 15000 miles, I wonder did it have 2 new engines !!..........simple facts should always be right......

[Ootohere]

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/294051-cave-cthe-14tsi-just-reply-please-if-you-had-an-engine-replaced

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/353149-fabia-mk2-vrs-14-tsi-replacement-engines-replaced-how-many

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/449229-new-engine-is-not-a-new-engine

 

It was and is a fiasco.  But there are plenty cars still going on original or replacement engines or ones with upgrades like oil spray jets.

Lots scrapped now, crashed or engine / gearbox being the issue.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/324108-replacement-engines-engine-numbers-v5-dvla-skoda-uk-what-happened

 

Edited 8 January, 2023 by toot

[Ootohere]

There was this car. But it all seems a p!55 take.  3 new engines supposedly.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/3685205/drivers-fury-after-his-14500-skoda-needed-40000-worth-of-repairs

 

Edited 8 January, 2023 by toot

[Andy Cope]

20 hours ago, toot said:

He got the answer right away. Top line.

 

The rest he can ignore after a week of asking if anyone was selling one. 

The info is all in the section, the pinned thread are at the top of the page, and all the stuff has been getting covered for 10 years.

 

Maybe it is time that the stuff was summed up easily.    The last video linked does that. 

I appreciate the input from the forum. It’s hard enough trying to find the questions off the forum. Hopefully I will find or an enthusiast has a 2013/14 CTHE for sale for the right price. Just like the you tube Geordie owner states. Dealers wanting £9 to £10k is ridiculous. I could possibly push to £8000 for a private owned one. 2nd hand prices are high due to the pandemic. Hopefully someone will come along with a decent one one. I’m in Derbyshire if anyone has one for sale??

[Ootohere]

Loads of decent ones out there, it is finding one. One with a replacement engine should not put you off.

Loads never actually  needed a new engine but did get one, they needed the right oil, capacity, spark plugs, super unleaded and a remap could help lots.

[TylaTyl]

Have been thinking of a VRS when my 2021 Fabia Monte Carlo goes back, but reading some of the above seems to tell me not to bother.

[Awesam]

I'm in the same boat! However seems there are quite from 2011 which have successful done between 80k - 120k with minimal issues. However some of them I've seen have between 5 - 8 owners! So that could be an indication that owners have had issues and flogged them. 

 

Edited 4 February, 2023 by Awesam

[Ootohere]

There are good ones, and ones that went bad and were made good & there is pure money pits about.

You have to be able to find the good ones, or if you get a bad ones fix it or have it fixed. 

[Awesam]

So went to view yesterday which had 102,000 miles on it, it has had a replacement engine (sticker in the boot floor),  body work was good and was told the timing chain had been done but didn't have invoice as his mate had done it!

I walked away from buying it as when i changed underneath the car the oil sump was covered thick oil residue along with the gearbox, which i found strange as the oil level was fine.

 

 

 

 

[Ootohere]

@AwesamWhat was on the sticker in the boot have on to show a engine replaced ?

If it was '34F7'  that was not an engine replacement. 

[Awesam]

Yeah it was that code! What does that represent then? 

 

Finding at good one at a reasonable price is becoming a mission! I may have to give up and settle on getting a Fiesta St! 

[Ootohere]

Service Campaign on the DQ200 DSG's from 2010-2012 before the CTHE engines started being fitted.

Sometime after March 2014 in the UK before Skoda started doing them..

Synthetic Oil changed to Mineral and a Software update.

 

Late 2012 CAVE or the first CTHE, & there were cars that never got 34F7  or the 34H5, these are in the pinned thread at the top. 

Not a good situation there. Flashing Spanners.

 

On a CTHE 2013-2015 it might be '34H5' a Software update that got done started 2017;

But they never got a sticker.

Edited 6 February, 2023 by toot

[Awesam]

So the one I saw was a 2011 with a CAVE engine. Seems like the engine was OK and had this dsg service campaign done. 

Im a bit gutted and 2nd guessing myself if I was too hasty to dismiss it. However all the thread on this forum of all the potential issue I think I made the most reasonable choice. 

 

[Ootohere]

You need to know how they should drive to be able to know if it drives properly.

Taking a Twincharger owner or past owner helps there.

 

You have no idea if the car is remapped or not, or if on the 3rd engine which is OK, or the 2nd or 3rd set of Clutch Plates or a new DSG or MCU.

 

You need to go by condition, and be familiar with the engines, what the OE coils look like and what spark plugs it should have just as basics.

 

If the seller knows about the cars it helps, but does not mean it is not a duff one. 

 

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What tyres were on it, were the brakes looking OK. The exhaust?

 

It does help if a seller is OK with the car getting a long run, up to temp and then booted hard a few times, kickdown used, put in S, dropping 2 gears etc and using supercharge and turbo and no Engine or EPC or both coming on. 

Good if it is running on Super Unleaded and not just Unleaded.

[Madvlad65]

So who told you the sticker in boot was an engine change? Was it the seller or was it just your assumption if the seller beware.  timing chain done and no paperwork 🙄

[Awesam]

54 minutes ago, Madvlad65 said:

So who told you the sticker in boot was an engine change? Was it the seller or was it just your assumption if the seller beware.  timing chain done and no paperwork 🙄

I probably misread the post on this thread.  The owner did have a clue.  the car was stock and fairly clean.  He said he did most of the services himself.  When i got there he hadn't started/warmed the car but i never bothered after i had a look underneath.

[Ootohere]

@Awesamdo you need an automatic or is the vRS just something that you fancy?  (I assume an auto not necessary since you mention a Fiesta ST.)

 maybe @tweenstercould comment.

He had a Mk2 vRS (s2000) and i am not sure if did go to a Fiesta, but then went to a Suzuki Swift and sounds if more than happy.

There are others that spoke about going over to Fiesta's from the Fabia but no idea if they did.  They are a bit of a mine field as well.

[Awesam]

34 minutes ago, toot said:

@Awesamdo you need an automatic or is the vRS just something that you fancy?  (I assume an auto not necessary since you mention a Fiesta ST.)

 maybe @tweenstercould comment.

He had a Mk2 vRS (s2000) and i am not sure if did go to a Fiesta, but then went to a Suzuki Swift and sounds if more than happy.

There are others that spoke about going over to Fiesta's from the Fabia but no idea if they did.  They are a bit of a mine field as well.

It's a car for the wife, I've got a MK3 Superb at Stage 3!  She would like a small four door car, automatic with parking sensors.  I did look at the Suzuki Swift but that only has room 4, it needs to have room for 5 ideally.

Yeah I was initially going to go for the Fiesta 1.0l Ecoboost engine but they seems to be failing everywhere. So hence why i said the ST which has the 1.6 engine and seems to be more reliable.  At this rate I may end up buying a MK2 Octavia VRS TSI again as they have brought in ULEZ charges in Birmingham so cant buy a diesel.

[Ootohere]

The country is full of Mk3 Fabia 1.0MPI's from the Military, everyone and their sister trader is offering them for sale for 2 much money.

 

A Mk3 1.2 TSI is a better bet though.

Cambelts due a change at 5 years though if you go by Skoda / VW advice.