I've got a 65 Reg Octavia estate with DSG auto gearbox and 1.2 engine that I've had for 3 years.

 

When I put it into Drive and take my foot of the brake it doesn't creep forwards and never has. It does creep in reverse. It's been always been like this. Also, sometimes when it's in Drive but my foot isn't on the brake it'll kind of rev between 1,000 and 1,300 as though I'm pushing the accelerator and releasing it. Putting my foot on the brake stops this.

 

The bloke who services it reckons every other auto he works on creeps forward in Drive and I just hired an auto on holiday which crept forward and I'd rather mine did too!

 

So my question is, can it be adjusted so it works as it sounds as if it should? Is it a big job, is it just software, how much might a Skoda dealer charge! Any any thoughts anyone has.

 

Thanks in advance

Sounds fine.

It has 2 pedals and changes gear automatically but it is an Automated Manual, a DQ200 7 speed Twin Dry Clutch, so not creeping is OK.

 

It kind of matters if the bloke services or works on DQ200 DSGs, or others DSG,s and Automatic cars. 

If he does then fair enough.  

He will not service the DQ200's though as they do not need doing.

 

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What is the hire car?

Edited 14 January, 20233 yr by toot

Does it have autohold? The revving to 1300 sounds little odd but mine does that on cold start.  Overall sounds relatively normal.

So many things to have cleared up. e-Brake, Autohold, Hillhold. 

 

If there is Autohold and activated then no need for the foot on the brake pedal after the xar stopped and Autohold activated.

And if Hill hold assist is working then the car holds a couple of seconds from the foot going brake pedal to accelerator.

 

If sitting with a foot on the brake pedal and in D and move the shifter to S the RPM will increase. 

 

RPM can rise and fall as the battery requires AC on etc.

 

PS.

DQ200's 2013-2015 can be part of a Service Campaign started in 2017.   '34H5'   FREE.

This is a Software Update.  Started because of some DQ200's with premature failures, leaks, pressure / heat issues.

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So has that been required or carried out. a car would have maybe been at a Main Dealers since 2017 to have been done, or the owner approved having it done. 

http://skoda-auto.com/services/recall-actions

 

 

Edited 14 January, 20233 yr by toot

22 minutes ago, toot said:

So many things to have cleared up. e-Brake, Autohold, Hillhold. 

 

If there is Autohold and activated then no need for the foot on the brake pedal after the xar stopped and Autohold activated.

And if Hill hold assist is working then the car holds a couple of seconds from the foot going brake pedal to accelerator.

 

If sitting with a foot on the brake pedal and in D and move the shifter to S the RPM will increase. 

 

RPM can rise and fall as the battery requires AC on etc.

 

PS.

DQ200's 2013-2015 can be part of a Service Campaign started in 2017.   '34H5'   FREE.

This is a Software Update.  Started because of some DQ200's with premature failures, leaks, pressure / heat issues.

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So has that been required or carried out. a car would have maybe been at a Main Dealers since 2017 to have been done, or the owner approved having it done. 

http://skoda-auto.com/services/recall-actions

 

 

 

Thanks for all that - I think I understood it! 

 

I'll digest it fully and thanks for taking the trouble to reply in such detail

 

 

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What is the hire car, just to give an idea which autobox it has?  

 

Does your Octavia have an e-Brake or a manual hand brake?

The hire car was a Citroen C3 in Madeira

 

The Octavia has a manual handbrake

2 hours ago, toot said:

Sounds fine.

It has 2 pedals and changes gear automatically but it is an Automated Manual, a DQ200 7 speed Twin Dry Clutch, so not creeping is OK.

 

It kind of matters if the bloke services or works on DQ200 DSGs, or others DSG,s and Automatic cars. 

If he does then fair enough.  

He will not service the DQ200's though as they do not need doing.

 

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What is the hire car?

 

Is this because its the dry clutch variant? Ive only driven a few wet clutch DSGs and they all creep from my experience. Just interested to know.

Yes. Because a dry clutch. Some move forward a bit when off the brake pedal, not all do. It is worth if it does not creep in D, trying the shifter back to S and seeing if it does.

But as much as DQ200's are much the same that are fitted to so many different engines and can behave differently.

1.2, 1.4, 1.8 TSI,s then newer 1.0 & 1.5, then 1.4 & 1.6 TSI's. 

 

Personally if they behave well enough i would not be having them tampered with. 

It is good IMO that the clutches are not engaged. A little accelerator holds it or moves it if Hill Hold is not holding it.

Just now, toot said:

Yes. Because a dry clutch. Some move forward a bit when off the brake pedal, not all do. It is worth if it does not creep in D, trying the shifter back to S and seeing if it does.

But as much as DQ200's are much the same that are fitted to so many different engines and can behave differently.

1.2, 1.4, 1.8 TSI,s then newer 1.0 & 1.5, then 1.4 & 1.6 TSI's. 

 

Personally if they behave well enough i would not be having them tampered with. 

It is good IMO that the clutches are not engaged. A little accelerator holds it or moves it if Hill Hold is not holding it.

 

Good to know. I wonder if it comes down to torque of the engine? Like the old diesels used to pretty much creep using their own steam in first.

It creeps nicely when reversing - I'd like it to do it when going forward. I have to be quite gentle on the accelerator to make it not jerk

 

So how many miles has it done?

Do you know if Service Campaign '34H5' was required and been done? 

 

A Skoda Main Dealership or some Independent with the gear and more than ideas could do a reset / software update. 

7 minutes ago, Murmansk said:

It creeps nicely when reversing - I'd like it to do it when going forward. I have to be quite gentle on the accelerator to make it not jerk

 

 

Mrs Gaz's Polo GTI (DQ200) creeps in reverse, but not in Drive (or at least virtually nothing).  It catches me out as my Golf (DQ250) does creep in Drive, once I tap the accelerator to turn auto hold off.

 

HTH

 

Gaz

 

2 hours ago, toot said:

So how many miles has it done?

Do you know if Service Campaign '34H5' was required and been done? 

 

A Skoda Main Dealership or some Independent with the gear and more than ideas could do a reset / software update. 

It's done 50,000 miles

 

I put the VIN into the Skoda site and there were no recalls listed

 

That can be because it was done, so there should be a sticker in the Spare Tyre Well with '34H5'' and a date and a dealers stamp.

Or because there never was a Recall, it was a Service Campaign only and never appeared on the VIN checker, until 2019 when Australia had a Recall started again.

Still there were cars that were part of the Service Campaign that never appeared on the VIN checker.

 

It is not that important really as the DSG is OK near 8 years on.   It likely was built after the ones that the software update was for.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/425424-2017-another-dq200-7-speed-dsg-service-campaign

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/473213-another-dsg-recall-today-sorry-if-already-posted

 

I really would leave the DSG well alone. 

 

I think you're the 1st person to mention this problem on this forum 

 

To me it's not normal. Every auto I've driven has the crept forward and it makes for easy maneuvering it tight spaces. I'd miss it a lot.

https://www.auto.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/auto-components/skoda-auto-rolls-out-3-millionth-dq200-automatic-geabox-from-vrchlabi-plant/72195669?redirect=1

 

4 million plus just built by Skoda.  Vorsprung Durch Technik. you would hope.

http://team-bhp.com/forum/technical-stuff/247951-skoda-auto-has-produced-its-four-millionth-dq200-dsg-automatic-gearbox.html

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Skoda / VW had to address the issue of the amount of owners less than happy about paying for replacing prematurely failing clutch packs out of their pocket because the cars were out of warranty and there were crap clutches and software that the Skoda factory were using when producing over 2,200 DQ200's a day.

DQ200's built by Skoda for use in 48 applications / variety of VW group models / engines.

 

A diesel in the thread below, and older, and these have more issues than the lower powered TSI's. The ones over the with most issues / failures are the 180 ps TSI's, 1.4 / 1.8's with a DQ200.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/433948-dsg-fighting-creep-forward

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/498567-14tsi-dq200-7-speed-dsg-clutch-slip

 

Mk3 Fabia and other models, small TSI's & 1.4 TDI,'s, 1.6 tdi , 2014/15 to 2018, still having issues.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/439395-thestory-of-the-famous-dq200-clutch-slip/page/15

 

Edited 15 January, 20233 yr by toot

6 hours ago, ords said:

To me it's not normal. Every auto I've driven has the crept forward

I don't doubt that, but since a DSG isn't a conventional slushbox auto...

My DQ381 creeps when on the flat, but when pointed up a slope, will sit still until I press the throttle at which point it moves forward.

I've never really thought about it much, as it just seems to do what I'd expect/want it to do at any given time, so I never need to think about what it's up to. It just works.

Toot has mentioned it. The dq200 is not a normal box. The system has been designed not to drag the dry clutch. The bigger boxes all have wet clothes that are cooled by the oil. A dry clutch will simply overheat if it had a creep function enabled. Reverse is acceptable as you tend to drive forward more.

The DQ200 has 2 oil.  Unlike the Wet Clutch the oil in the box is no also in the MCU.

Yes the clutch plates are dry, or should be, and there have been over heating and wear issues over the past decade and a half. 

 

The DQ200 issue as it has evolved is that it had to as there was a mess over the years, 2009-2012, 2012/2013 cross over, the 2013-2015, then 2015-2018.

Then a few issues since.

 

Engines petrol or diesel 3 or 4 cylinder from 70 ps - 192 ps. 1,0. 1.2, 1.4, 1.5, 1.8. , TDI 1.2. 1.4 & 1.6.

 

Lots if different software / management changes, and need for clutch upgrades etc. 

   If VW could dump DQ200's they would, but they have no replacement now, bu they can use Mild Hybrids to have them behave until they discontinue them.

 

As to Autos and all creeping. Well not all ASG's, or MTA's, CVT,s or even Torque Converter Auto's or cars without a clutch pedal  do creep, 

and i have driven only 2 pedal cars since the 1970's since i lost my right foot. 

I know which creep and which do not and which i need to use the parking / hand brake with, or e-brake, autohold etc. 

Edited 15 January, 20233 yr by toot

I'm amazed that anybody would desire surely the least desirable and in the right conditions dangerous quirks of a traditional automatic gearbox.

 

From what I have read it makes manouevring slowly easier, is it really that hard to modulate the throttle or is it another skill that has been lost like keeping a constant speed or distance from the car in front, switching between dipped and main beam, using windscreen wipers when needed because the gadgets now take care of it?

 

If the car jerks while you are manoeuvring slowly or you cannot control the speed can you not use both pedals, after all that is what you do insinctively in a manual vehicle modulatig both the throttle and clutch?

Toot, as someone with probably the most experience what do you prefer, that an automatic transmission should creep or not and why please?

@J.R.I am not a fan of creeping as i only have one foot and i use my left foot on the cars pedals with no adaption, i do not want to use the hand brake if not using the foot hard on the brake.  

(I used to fit hand controls for others and had to road test the cars, i did not like these with a DQ200 DSG, but you are either on the brake or the accelerator.)

 

I use the accelerator gently to move. Being in S can help move along slowly in traffic, but what engine / power / fuel type matters.

Autohold can be great. Not all cars though, and not in all situations, weather etc. 

 

Using both pedals with a DSG means that power / drive can be cut.    There are those that say they can heel and toe., well that needs practice and care.

 

There is a delay with the clutches getting bite, from brake pedal to accelerator starting off,

some more than others with a DQ200, not to do with Hill Hold Assist.  (Hill hold assist / Hill hold control being part of the subject and different over the years.)

 

Hence for Sprints / Hill Climbs / 1/4 miles i used the hand brake not the brake pedal for standing starts.

For 'races' / traffic light Grand Pr!cks, etc you might find with a DQ200 that a rolling start is preferred, to stop the wheel spin, ASR / TC and cutting of the engines power, or what people call 'axle tramp' but is not. but a loud bang.

Edited 15 January, 20233 yr by toot

4 hours ago, KenONeill said:

I don't doubt that, but since a DSG isn't a conventional slushbox auto...

Valid point.  This is the 1st DSG I've had. If on the demo car I tried and it did not creep, I'd have queried it. If I'd been told "they all do that" I'd have been none the wiser and accepted it even tho I'd find it annoying.

In queuing traffic, I try not to creep forward on the brakes by leaving a big enough gap to go forward on idle speed or slight throttle thereby avoiding some clutch slip.

Putting the car into my narrow garage is made easy by creeping, without it it would mean using both pedals or using the handbrake, neither desirable.

Auto's are for ease of driving and coupled with the start/stop and hill hold I'm more than happy.

I'm also happy with my battery which is 10 yrs old this month.🎂