Possible clutch issue

[Aakayamy]

Hi guys

I have a Skoda Octavia mk3 2019 1.6 automatic DSG.

In the space of 3 months every time I start driving my car I hear a high pitched squeak when my car is changing gears from 1 to 2 and now it's doing it on most gears. 

I called Caledonian specialists in Glasgow and explained this to them and the guy said that's the clutch needing changed and he also said to get the DMF changed as well. 

My car has done 49000 miles on the clock and the specialist said your DMF could be okay but they recommend to get both clutch and DMF changed and it would cost around £2000.

 

My question is when replacing the clutch do you have to get the DMF changed as well? 

Would anyone recommend any other specialists out there they have used.

 

Any help would be appreciated thanks. 

[Ootohere]

First find the trusted Auto Specialist in your area that has experience of DQ200 DSG's and find out if it does need the clutch packs replaced.

Then you might find out how often they have to do DMF,s.

 

Your car is very low miles and might need nothing like these jobs carried out or that expense.

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/507754-gearbox-mounttop-strut-mount

 

[Aakayamy]

I'm just not having any luck with this car. As per my old post I had the driveshafts changed and few other front suspension parts replaced and now this new symptom. Will check online and hopefully find a specialist to check the car. 

[Aakayamy]

I also wanted to mention that I have a fully registered ross-tech cable (hex-v2 dual-k & can) cable. Would I be able to get any readings via VCDS for the gearbox and DMF?

[KenONeill]

1 hour ago, Aakayamy said:

the guy said that's the clutch needing changed and he also said to get the DMF changed as well.

This sounds like "some guy on the internet" to me. I would not recommend changing the DMF as a matter of course, but I would recommend examining the unit for signs of overheating if the clutch pack needs changing.

[Aakayamy]

Only concern I have is what ever specialist I go to turns round and said to change both clutch and DMF so how will I know if they are telling me the truth? 

Would they give me some sort of proof when doing their diagnostics?

I'm wanting to be very cautious this time round as to any garage I went to previously with other issues they told me this and that needed changed but this squeaky noise just hasn't really gone.

Edited 27 April, 2023 by Aakayamy

[J.R.]

Does the specialist actually knoww that you have a DSG gearbox? Has he inspected the vehicle?

 

A specialist speaking about changing the clutch (singular) and DMF is quite concerning.

[J.R.]

1 hour ago, KenONeill said:

but I would recommend examining the unit for signs of overheating if the clutch pack needs changing

 

There is zero relationship between an overheated DSG clutch pack and the DMF flywheel, a DMF fails through harmonic resonance and not heat.

 

Or have you missed that the OP has a DSG gearbox like it sounds the specialist has?

[Aakayamy]

I've got car booking in tomorrow with Caledonian transmissions for a diagnostics check and hopefully see what they say and get back to you guys tomorrow with any reports. 

[Ootohere]

I did think you might ask locally like at a VW Group Dealership or Independent and ask who they might recommend or use for DSG repairs.

Not take the car to the person / place mentioned in your OP.

[Aakayamy]

I can do that tomorrow and see what Volkswagen say tomorrow morning. 

[Aakayamy]

I've called Volkswagen today and was asked to come in so that one of the specialist can take car for a drive. The guy said straight away that my clutch needs replaced and also recommend to get the DMF changed as well. They also recommend another specialist who I was talking about yesterday who also test drove the car and said exactly what Volkswagen said. Both nice chaps and didn't even charge me anything. Even though I was expecting them to charge me for a full diagnostic with checking on their equipment for any readings but both didn't do this step.

Would you guys recommend for me to go ahead with doing clutch and DMF. car is only driven 49000miles. 

[TheClient]

On 28/04/2023 at 12:35, Aakayamy said:

I've called Volkswagen today and was asked to come in so that one of the specialist can take car for a drive. The guy said straight away that my clutch needs replaced and also recommend to get the DMF changed as well. They also recommend another specialist who I was talking about yesterday who also test drove the car and said exactly what Volkswagen said. Both nice chaps and didn't even charge me anything. Even though I was expecting them to charge me for a full diagnostic with checking on their equipment for any readings but both didn't do this step.

Would you guys recommend for me to go ahead with doing clutch and DMF. car is only driven 49000miles. 

To me, It is pretty damning that both suggest the clutch pack.

 

They could inspect the dmf (rather than replace) but they are probably taking the attitude of while you're in there, change that consumable as well. 

 

Nb. I would also expect they inspect the clutch pack once dissassembled before blindly replacing (if it turned out to be in good condition they would have to think before replacing and putting transmission back in car). 

 

But by that stage a significant portion of the estimated cost is consumed by removing the transmission and partially disassembling transmission. 

 

You could ask them to inspect the dmf once opened up and decide then but seeing a premature clutch pack failure, they are probably suggesting belt and braces. The difference in price without dmf will not be huge in the overall cost as the bulk of the job will be in removing the transmission and replacing the clutch packs and reassembly. 

 

If the transmission is not throwing any codes the help indicate the underlying fault, then it's really down to experience and getting the transmission out and clutch pack out for inspecting. Given both have driven and said the same thing it seems there is not much of an alternative line to follow. A third opinion, another dsg specialist? Would that make you feel any more confident? 

 

You've got vcds, you could run dsg basic settings and adaptions, there is quite a few resets for yhe dq250. Im not sure what is listed for the dq200 once connected.  but if the experts are right, it probably won't help. 

 

[TheClient]

Ps. Are there any environmental factors that could of affected clutch. Do you live on a steep drive? Is your town quite hilly with lots of stop starts on inclines? Does your car have hill hold, do you use it? They could point towards a possible explanation of the premature failure. Or the clutch was manufactured poorly or transmission with clutch not properly set up at assembly... 

[KenONeill]

1 hour ago, TheClient said:

Are there any environmental factors that could of affected clutch. Do you live on a steep drive? Is your town quite hilly with lots of stop starts on inclines?

I'll leave @Aakayamyto answer this properly, but there are parts of Glasgow that are "Lincolnshire flat" and others that are some of the steepest hills in Scotland.

[Aakayamy]

Both these places I went to didn't charge for a full diagnostic check but only driven the car. I don't get any fault codes showing on the dash. My local garage said they only seen clutch and DMF change together is there was fault codes showing on the dash or if I was having issues changing gears. Only issue I have is when going up steep hills in certain parts of Glasgow is when I hear a loud squeel or when it's changing gears from 1st to 2nd and onwards. Then at times I don't hear anything. I'm a private hire driver so I'm always on the road. What guide would I use to check with VCDS?

[TheClient]

11 minutes ago, Aakayamy said:

 I'm a private hire driver so I'm always on the road. What guide would I use to check with VCDS?

Did they scan the car for fault codes? If no one has done that, definitely run a full vcds scan. Not every or even most faults logged in systems will present a message in dash mfd.

 

Other than that, if you want to re run adaptions / basic settings in the car you'll have to get the vcds connected and go into transmission and see what options are in there. Some googling on vcds dq200 reset, calibration might produce something. Or capture options and post back on here. 

[Ootohere]

@Aakayamysorry but i am really confused with you being in the business of taxis / private hire.

?

Do you not have a trusted mechanic / garage you use, or anyplace other drivers car recommend.

It is not as though there are not many Skoda Taxis in and around Glasgow. 

 

If those that drove your cars were technicians did neither of them suggest as well as plugging in and checking the car, they could do a DSG reset?

Edited 30 April, 2023 by toot

[Aakayamy]

I'm a private hire taxi driver toots. Neither of the mechanics technicians plugged anything to my car to check if any fault codes appear. How ever past few days I've started getting my EML appearing which shows following message regards to dpf (p2002 particulate trap efficiency fault). getting I've scanned my car with VCDS and no other faults appeared when I do a full scan other than the fault code mentioned above. 

I've asked other Skoda drivers who also do private hire in Glasgow and no one has had this kind of fault I'm having. My father said he will take the car down to Bradford during the week and get one of the mechanics he used several times for other cars to get a DSG specialist to check there. 

I will do what TheClient mentioned above and see what results I get back and post my results of the scan on here. 

Edited 30 April, 2023 by Aakayamy

[Gammyleg]

1 hour ago, TheClient said:

Did they scan the car for fault codes? If no one has done that, definitely run a full vcds scan. Not every or even most faults logged in systems will present a message in dash mfd.

 

Other than that, if you want to re run adaptions / basic settings in the car you'll have to get the vcds connected and go into transmission and see what options are in there. Some googling on vcds dq200 reset, calibration might produce something. Or capture options and post back on here. 

If you have CAN protocol then there's stacks of info available online, if you have UDS then you're stuffed.

[Ootohere]

@varooomor @ApertureSmight be around and be able to give some advice on the DPF and that issue.

Plenty good mechanics around Glasgow. 

[varooom]

Take a look at this, mainly shows you how to read your VCDS DPF health/values.

You can then see the interaction between soot and overall lifespan.

[TheClient]

@Aakayamy if there are no other faults logged (apart from dpf flow), then other than the dsg reset / adaptations there's nothing you can really do. A third opinion may put your mind at rest but in the absence of anyone else or anything else surfacing, the best steer you have is clutch pack.

 

There are some readings on clutch and gear operation you can interrogate. But how conclusive and how to interpret them I don't have that experience. If you want to try Google dq200 clutch wear measuring blocks or something similar.   Or Google the basic settings reset procedure but I don't guarantee it will fix it, but it is one of the few things you can try.   

[Aakayamy]

23 hours ago, varooom said:

Take a look at this, mainly shows you how to read your VCDS DPF health/values.

You can then see the interaction between soot and overall lifespan.

I've checked my DPF lifespan and my spot levels are not high. So that's not a worry for me thinking my DPF is bad. Could be a sensor issue but I will post up stats of the dpf shortly. 

Regards to doing DSG adaptions I don't know which one I am meant to try as there's lots of posts showing on Google but not wanting to risk damaging anything further if I do the wrong adaption.

On 30/04/2023 at 18:17, Gammyleg said:

If you have CAN protocol then there's stacks of info available online, if you have UDS then you're stuffed.

I have UDS showing on mines. 

[Gammyleg]

On 01/05/2023 at 19:58, Aakayamy said:

I have UDS showing on mines.

 

 

This beginning video may be of help. There are a few others out there but you have to look long & hard to find them. Only two processes shown in this video though. I've seen others that show more but currently can't find them. 

 

I'm tempted to give it a go with my DQ200....

 

 

Edited 3 May, 2023 by Gammyleg
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