Superb iV vs 2.0TSi pros and cons

[Vlady]

Hi all,

I need an advice here, I am thinking of changing my Karoq and really consider a Superb, more space, more comfort on a road, quieter, well I hope it is all the things I mentioned.

I am planning to take a test drive today of iV but I am also considering a petrol 2.0 TSi (190), don't want 1,5 as based on information I could find, it is not that much more economical.

The questions I have are:

What are the running cost for iV and 2.0 petrol, apart from fuel consumption, I expect 2.0ltr petrol to do 40mpg in a mixed run and 55mpg for iV (worst case scenario when do not charge it)?

1. Does 1.4 engine needs a cam belt changed? How much would it cost roughly?

2. I think 2.0ltr is chain driven, am I correct?

3. What gearboxes these cars come with, do they need oil change?

4. Brake discs/pads - are they identical in price?

5. Service costs, is iV much more expensive?

6. Suspension parts, like shock absorbers?

 

If anyone can think of anything else please add additional spendages on any of the above cars.

 

Many thanks all

 

[numskull]

I think the 190 comes with the 7 speed DSG which can, anecdotally, be problematic. Yes, they do need to be serviced.

It’s a chain driven cam set.
I don’t have experience of the 190 version of the EA888 engine, but they all suffer from leaking water pumps which is an expensive repair. 

I rarely get above 24mpg on my very short commute; Eco mode definitely helps. Best I’ve managed on a decent 180 Mile run is 39 mpg, which included the odd spirited sprint and keeping cruise set at 75mph. 
Its the best car I’ve owned.

[Ootohere]

Fixed Oil Services with the PHEV.

 

The 1.4 TSI used with the PHEV will have the same Cambelt change as Skoda / VW announced last July.   Long time no bother mister all night long. Years and years no touch.

 

Oil needs changed each year, 9,400 miles, Fixed Regime.

Gearbox is a DQ400-e, 6 speed wet clutch, needs the oil changed each 40,000 miles. 

Spark plugs will still be at 40,000 miles even if the petrol engine is used very seldom.

[Winston_Woof]

17 minutes ago, Rooted said:

Fixed Oil Services with the PHEV.

 

The 1.4 TSI used with the PHEV will have the same Cambelt change as Skoda / VW announced last July.   Long time no bother mister all night long. Years and years no touch.

 

Oil needs changed each year, 9,400 miles, Fixed Regime.

Gearbox is a DQ400-e, 6 speed wet clutch, needs the oil changed each 40,000 miles. 

Spark plugs will still be at 40,000 miles even if the petrol engine is used very seldom.

for avoidance of doubt:

[Ootohere]

Obviously any Main Dealership in Scotland will tell you before the car is 3 years old that the brake disks are 80% worn. 

(They could be with the PHEV in Scotland from lack of use other than having to clear off the rust each time you drive the car.)

 

They might now say the brake fluid is due replacing at 2 year, some might still say at 3 years first and some might tell you nothing.

 

They will say that the AC needs serviced at 2 years old.   They will try other Upselling, Offering a Fuel Additive, even if you have a Skoda Enyaq...

They might know nothing about the DSG. 

 

PS

Before the Warranty is out if you service before the MOT they will point out the dampers are leaking / misting but not a warranty claim.

Several years later they will still pass a MOT.   

Edited 23 March by Rooted

[MarkyG82]

Apart from the confusing cambelt situation all maintenance items are very similar between the two cars. 

Assuming purchase price is the same (iV will likely be more for the same spec/condition) it really comes down to what you want from the car and how you use it. Lots of short journeys or commute of 10 miles each way suggests the iV. Pretty much anything else you'll be better off with the 2.0.

Annual tax is the same. I get closer to 50 on a run with some charge. No charge and you might get as low as 45. The amount you charge really affects the apparent mpg (still need to pay for electric). More charge and shorter journeys will give much higher mpg. 

[Vlady]

HI all, 

I had a busy day yesterday, test drove iV and Lexus ES (ES was unplanned).

When we (my daughters 6 and 11 YO and I) saw our test drive iV we liked it, when we sat inside we loved it - so much space! 

When we drove it through town I loved it and girls enjoyed it, it was very smooth and quite, DSG is from different planet compared to mine on a Karoq. I thought, this is it, this is the car I will be looking for, only in Laurent&Klement spec. Then we went on motorway, and I was really disappointed, the car is loud! The way suspension absorb "cat eyes" is noisy, over road repairs is loud, I could hear cars around easily and the noise from the wind was present too. The good thing was a fuel consumption, at 65mph computer was shown between 60-70mpg!

I so much wanted to like that car, really wanted but I couldn't believe it, basically my Karoq is quieter then a Superb, I still can't believe it! However, I added doors and boot insulation.

We went over different road surfaces on M8 and around Glasgow and when you go slow the car is superb, unfortunately my commute is mostly motorways and B-roads, if someone knows the road from M77 to East Kilbride they know how terribly surfaced (noise wise) the road is.

At this point, if I didn't have issues with my DSG gearbox (1 to 2nd gear) I would gladly keep the Karoq!

Lexus ES was everything Superb is offering: space, technology, smoothness, reliability and it is a quieter car but price to buy, price to insure and possibilty that the car can be stollen is not yet swaying me to buy it.

My apologies to everyone who owns a Superb, as I said I was very surprised too, friend of mine had a 2.0Tdi Superb and I think that car was very quiet, even compared to my Lexus GS at that time.

May be it is this particular Skoda we drove? But it is a 23 plate car with not many miles on it, one of the managers drive it now as a demonstrator!

[Winston_Woof]

Tyre choice could be a huge influence. I find the Superb quite quiet  on the motorway (other than some wind noise especially around the front passenger door. 

[Vlady]

34 minutes ago, Winston_Woof said:

Tyre choice could be a huge influence. I find the Superb quite quiet  on the motorway (other than some wind noise especially around the front passenger door. 

The car I test drove had Conti 6 Eco tyres. When I was in the market for new tyres for my Karoq, I went with the quietest ones, may be this plays a part. 

But I wouldn't like to buy a car with the thought of upgrading it or changing something is a hope it MIGHT get better.

[Vlady]

Unless Skoda have less sound insulation on iV cars, to lower the weight?

[Shuggyboatsuperb]

Agree on tyres- just put my Michelin primacy front tyres back on after taking nokian winter tyres off and the regular long weekend run was so much quieter especially on the rougher chipped tarmac surfaces. Not just less tyre noise but smoother.
   No experience of “your” Conti 6 eco tyres though.

Edited 24 March by Shuggyboatsuperb

[Ootohere]

@Vlady  Would you have no access for a Home Charger for a BEV, or work place charging making an EV a good choice financially?

Public charging around your area makes no sense for private drivers.

 

There is a Polestar sales place now at Silverburn.   Great cars IMO. 

A MG EV Estate is actually quite a nice and comfortable drive. 

[Vlady]

4 minutes ago, Rooted said:

@Vlady  Would you have no access for a Home Charger for a BEV, or work place charging making an EV a good choice financially?

Public charging around your area makes no sense for private drivers.

 

There is a Polestar sales place now at Silverburn.   Great cars IMO. 

A MG EV Estate is actually quite a nice and comfortable drive. 

I thought about it and I have a garage so I could install a outdoor socket or a unit to charge it, unfortunatelly we don't have chargers at the office, even though main boss drives a Tesla. I raised that questions a FEW times but the answer is no, as we rent out offices it is benefactors responsibility to install chargers, if they want. And they don't want to do that, crap. If I could charge at work, I would strongly consider a full EV.

Polestar, I like the look of them, and should be good cars, but I want Superb (Lexus ES) space at the back, this is why I do not consider BMW, Mercs, Volvos, even in Estate forms - they all have less space, plus considerably more expensive to buy, insure and run and not more reliable.

I came up with an idea, may be I can fix the gearbox on Karoq, I do not service it or something, at least talk to DSG specialist and find out if they can advise what problem I might be having, if I can sort that, then I can leave with Karoq. 

 

[Ootohere]

@Vlady Home charging with off peak / smart charging you could be as low or lower than 10 pence a kWh to charge.

60 kWh, £6.00  & maybe 200 plus miles for that.  

A Tesla and Super charging @ 50 pence a kWh,  60 kWh £30 and maybe 250 miles from that 60 kWh. 

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I will look for your story in the Karoq section on the DSG. 

Servicing not required. Just Skoda dealeship required to sort issues, after Skoda UK / CZ accept there are issues. 

 

EDIT.

PS.  I see the bit about a Cupra Born.  

 

Right. 

The 1.5 TSI ACT might be as much an issue as the DQ200 DSG attached to it.

If sluggishness is the issue. 

 

??

Have you tried running it on Tesco Momentum 99 / E5 ? 

Edited 24 March by Rooted

[Winston_Woof]

5 hours ago, Vlady said:

The car I test drove had Conti 6 Eco tyres. When I was in the market for new tyres for my Karoq, I went with the quietest ones, may be this plays a part. 

But I wouldn't like to buy a car with the thought of upgrading it or changing something is a hope it MIGHT get better.

"Eco" Tyres, generally harder compounds for lower rolling resistance. In my experience that also leads to increased noise howver YMMV.

What annoys one person may not bother the next

[Ootohere]

Sales or Demonstrators, or brand new cars from dealerships can have tyres set at any pressure, over, under or the correct pressures, or any combination of that with the tyres.

Never assume they are safely set or the TMPS reset. 

 

There are very very few VW Group / Skoda cars that have not ECO Bias tyres.  Even if a Sporty car, and Skoda have nothing with much Sportyness. 

They are about getting Economy as in MPG, not Economy as in Tyres that are Economic.

& They are often Over Priced if you replace like for like. 

Edited 24 March by Rooted

[Vlady]

5 hours ago, Rooted said:

@Vlady Home charging with off peak / smart charging you could be as low or lower than 10 pence a kWh to charge.

60 kWh, £6.00  & maybe 200 plus miles for that.  

A Tesla and Super charging @ 50 pence a kWh,  60 kWh £30 and maybe 250 miles from that 60 kWh. 

....................

I will look for your story in the Karoq section on the DSG. 

Servicing not required. Just Skoda dealeship required to sort issues, after Skoda UK / CZ accept there are issues. 

 

EDIT.

PS.  I see the bit about a Cupra Born.  

 

Right. 

The 1.5 TSI ACT might be as much an issue as the DQ200 DSG attached to it.

If sluggishness is the issue. 

 

??

Have you tried running it on Tesco Momentum 99 / E5 ? 

 

Hi, I occasionally put E5 petrol in, like this tank I filled with Sainsburys E5, but did not notice any difference with gearbox. I can't say it is sluggish, it is totally fine in most cases, only when I slow down to go over long speed bumps that are covered in potholes the gearbox jumps to 1st gear and then very hesitant to move to 2nd, even if I use flappy paddles, until you rev the engine (in 1st gear) up to 3000-3500rpm. I will make a video, it will be easier to show, hopefully.

I have spoken to dealership, couple of times, they say gearbox is fine which it is if you don't have massive speed bumps around!

I checked gearbox specialist in Glasgow, they quote £169 for DQ200 service, not sure what they service.

 

[Vlady]

29 minutes ago, Winston_Woof said:

"Eco" Tyres, generally harder compounds for lower rolling resistance. In my experience that also leads to increased noise howver YMMV.

What annoys one person may not bother the next

Couldn't agree more. As I said, every one in the garage thinks Superb is dead quiet and when I said it is not they looked at me like I am stupid and know nothis about cars!

[Ootohere]

@Vlady   Is that one of Henry,s in Glasgow quoting £169?    That is guff.

 

There are 2 oils in a DQ200 DSG.  They would not be replacing both, and no idea why they would replace 1.

 

That is maybe someone thinking of giving it a 'Reset'.   

[Vlady]

15 minutes ago, Rooted said:

@Vlady   Is that one of Henry,s in Glasgow quoting £169?    That is guff.

 

There are 2 oils in a DQ200 DSG.  They would not be replacing both, and no idea why they would replace 1.

 

That is maybe someone thinking of giving it a 'Reset'.   

It is an Ecotune Glasgow, not Henry's.

 

[Ootohere]

They know their stuff. 

 

No way would i have them or anyone touch it while it has a Manufacturers Warranty covering it though.  

 

You do not need to pay to have a DQ200 serviced.   

 If it needs a Software Update have that done at a Main Dealers with the Master Tech supporting that it needs done. 

 

PS

I would ask Ecotune. What oil are you replacing, in the MCU or the Gearbox.  Damn cheap.  

Edited 24 March by Rooted

[Ootohere]

@Vlady   Was your build date after the Recall Action series of vehicles.  

Or did Skoda or the dealership say it was?

There was not just a 1.5 TSI ACT engine software update, there were 2 DQ200 DSG updates i believe. 

[Vlady]

3 minutes ago, Rooted said:

They know their stuff. 

 

No way would i have them or anyone touch it while it has a Manufacturers Warranty covering it though.  

 

You do not need to pay to have a DQ200 serviced.   

 If it needs a Software Update have that done at a Main Dealers with the Master Tech supporting that it needs done. 

My car is 2019, it still has couple months of additional 2 year warranty but service department at Henry's said the gearbox does not need software update, i asked them before almost straight away after I bought the car. The car, according to them, does not have outstanding recalls either. 

It must be something wrong with it, I am surprised no one else had this issue.

[Ootohere]

Plenty have had the issue.

Plenty were told no software updates available. 

 

   If it is your car then getting a Software Remap of the DSG by EcoTune might be well worth having. 

 

I had Remapped DQ200,s but also Clutch Packs and with Twin Chargers running 200+ bhp.

 

I would not remap a 1.5 TSI ACT engine though.  I would rather have an Extended Warranty if the car was a keeper. 

[Vlady]

7 minutes ago, Rooted said:

@Vlady   Was your build date after the Recall Action series of vehicles.  

Or did Skoda or the dealership say it was?

There was not just a 1.5 TSI ACT engine software update, there were 2 DQ200 DSG updates i believe. 

I don't know , number plates are SJ69MKN, it is end of September or early October registered.

I asked dealership which is Skoda in Glasgow about issues with my gearbox and if all recalls were done, they said gearbox is fine and no recalls are needed to be sorted, I don't know uf they were sorted prior I bought the car or the car just didn't need it.