which is the best panel filter to fit into my vrs.i have always used k+n in the past but have read that they are too heavily oiled for vrs's,is this correct.

if so what is the best one to fit.

cheers.

I went for a Green but thats just my personal pref as other people who i know swear by them

I don't think there's much between them. Some people talk about MAF problems with the K&N but this 'appears' to be a myth.

I went for a pipercross (for my 2.0 tdi) purely based on price.

Like others i went for Green Cotton Filter.Mine has done about 8k now and its still clean.

i've got the K&N and had no problems with it over the last 24K miles!

Whats with these piper cross ones, do they need oiling as they are foam cell based?

Yes, they come with a spray can of oil to catch the dirt. Just a light coating.

K&N here for the last 10k and no probs!

Hi

I have seen sooo many cars suffer with MAF problems , even at the dealers.

Some of them have been standard cars with no mods what so ever.

So with this in mind I do not believe that K & N have anything to do with it.

We had Pipercross in for a chat and demonstration.

They admit that it will not give as much air flow as the K & N ones , but after a short amount of miles the Pipercross ones will be better.

This is down to how it holds the dust.

The Pipercross ones are foam.

I am going to have a go with one on my Furby 100PD and see what it is like.

So I will let you all know when I have had it fitted

Sarah

i've had k&n and green on my cars,difference seems to be only the colour of the cotton.if your worried about MAF problems wash it first and lightly oil it.

personally i just oil the underside,never had any problems.

Yes, they come with a spray can of oil to catch the dirt. Just a light coating.

Not on MAF-sensitive VAG applications. Pipercross use a different grade of foam that runs dry.

Not on MAF-sensitive VAG applications. Pipercross use a different grade of foam that runs dry.

Have you got a link for that? Everywhere I see that sells it recommends the cleaner and "dirt-retention additive" which suggests it's oiled like any other uprated panel filter.

FWIW, I've run ITG, RAMAir, K&N and Green filters and there is nothing to chose between them, except the K&N seems to be better made for the air filter than the Green. All require regular cleaning and re-oiling and so long as you dab off excess oil before refitting, the panel filter won't damage the MAF....

Chris

soo... the burning question is - how much better is the airflow with any of the aftermarket ones over a NEW OE paper filter?

It's well documented that the paper one will block faster depending on conditions, but then I am happy to chuck away a 5-quid paper one periodically and get back full flow by fitting new. How many people actually clean their K&N etc with any regularity?

i am so unsure as to what to do.my stock filter is pretty dirty so needs replacing so do i just fit a new stock one for now so at least it doesnt interfere with my insurance or warranty or do i go with an uprated panel filter or go the whole hog and get an induction kit.

decisions decisions:rolleyes:

How many people actually clean their K&N etc with any regularity?

I do

Chris

i am so unsure as to what to do.my stock filter is pretty dirty so needs replacing so do i just fit a new stock one for now so at least it doesnt interfere with my insurance or warranty or do i go with an uprated panel filter or go the whole hog and get an induction kit.

decisions decisions:rolleyes:

Get a stock and then think about panel filter or CAI

being that the dealer has replaced the maf today i was kind of hoping that whilst it was all apart they would have thought it a good idea to replace the filter:rolleyes:

doubt it though:D

Have you got a link for that? Everywhere I see that sells it recommends the cleaner and "dirt-retention additive" which suggests it's oiled like any other uprated panel filter.

FWIW' date=' I've run ITG, RAMAir, K&N and Green filters and there is nothing to chose between them, except the K&N seems to be better made for the air filter than the Green. All require regular cleaning and re-oiling and so long as you dab off excess oil before refitting, the panel filter won't damage the MAF....

Chris[/quote']

We sell the Ppipercross filters.

It is correct that the VAG applications do NOT have oil on them.

So when it comes to cleaning them you just wash it and let it dry.

There is no special oil that you buy to reoil it.

I am seriously considering one for my car.

The air flow with one of these performance filters is far greater than OEM.

This is how you get better throttle responce.

The MAF will register how much air is going in and the Lambda will adjust the fuel to suit.

Hope that helps

Keep an eye out for a great deal we will be doing on the Pipercross filters

Oh and I will put one in mine so I can report back to you guys

Oh the things I do for you

Sarah

My pipercross filter came with a spray can, so I don't need to use it?

What do I wash it in, soapy water?

Interesting - what's the recommended distance before they need a clean for the dry filters?

Chris

Hi

No the VAG filters dont come oiled.

They run dry.

I would say around the 30-40k mark before it requires cleaning.

Hope that helps

Sarah

Any idea why I got a spray can then?

And you wash it in...?

Keep an eye out for a great deal we will be doing on the Pipercross filters

you have my attention:thumbup:

Having modified a number of cars with air filters and induction kits, both of the foam and the cotton variety, I have reached the following conclusions.

1) panel filters make sod all difference over a clean paper filter.

2) Induction kits can make a difference but generally muck about with torque curves (less go low down, bit more high up) Design and siting of the kits is critical. If you take in appreciable amounts of warm air you can say goodby to the gains and will still have the losses.

3) Filtration of foam and cotton filters is less than satisfactory. On a previous car I ran a big brand cotton gauze induction kit for 10,000 miles before removing it. The amount of dirt inside the induction pipe was shocking. This was suppossed to be one of the better performance filters for filtration too!

I'm not trying to sway peoples opinions, I'm just giving people more information on which to make an informed decision.

Having modified a number of cars with air filters and induction kits' date=' both of the foam and the cotton variety, I have reached the following conclusions.

1) panel filters make sod all difference over a clean paper filter.

2) Induction kits can make a difference but generally muck about with torque curves (less go low down, bit more high up) Design and siting of the kits is critical. If you take in appreciable amounts of warm air you can say goodby to the gains and will still have the losses.

3) Filtration of foam and cotton filters is less than satisfactory. I ran a big brand cotton gauze induction kit for 10,000 miles before removing it. The amount of dirt inside the induction pipe was shocking. This was suppossed to be one of the better performance filters for filtration too!

I'm not trying to sway peoples opinions, I'm just giving people more information on which to make an informed decision.[/quote']

Having seen LOADS of cars come in that are modified and NOT I can tell you that for a FACT there is a difference with an OEM filter and a performance one.

I agree that there is a little difference between them that is why they are performance filters all of them.

More air in = better throttle responce.

Induction kits have cold air blown on the filter that is in the engine bay.

CAI takes in cool air from the front bumper again = cold air being sucked in.

I have a machine here that will demonstrate the air flow on OEM filters and performance , you can come here to have a look at this if you like.

I have already stated that the Pipercross filter will not give as much air flow as the K & N one to start , but Pipercross will admit that with a few miles on the back the air flow will then get slightly better than the K & N one or the Green.

Either way performance air filter WILL NOT give large BHP gains , we all know that , but it is the response that you get with the acceleration.

Sarah