Good morning/afternoon/evening, from Australia,

Dear fellow Skoda drivers

I have previously owned two Superb (both sedans) and my newest Superb is a 2022 Sportsline Wagon (Estate) and has approx 28,000km on the clock.  

I apologies, if I am covering over previously discussed topic/s (but I have done some searching on this site, and could not located a previous post/s on this subject, nor I am going go through 1000+ posts)

I am heavy on the brakes (it was the style of driving I was taught) and on my previous normal Superb's just changed to softer pads all round.  

But with the extra kick in the Sportsline, my braking style has not changed and the pads are due for front,  in the near future.  

Some advice from this learned forum, I wish to put a aftermarket brake calipers on at least the front axle but all my efforts to locate aftermarket systems are either "race standard-at a big price" or non existent.  

I have been looking at Youtube, various web sites, where the Superb are "tricked" up and what appears to have also very good aftermarket brakes.

I gone web searching and have found brake kits which are good, but I am not going to have my Sportsline "popping" with a bigger turbo etc or a blow off valve letting go (the Police will defect my vehicle off the road), or anything like that, they will crush my car

So from the learned experience from this forum members: (I have been following this site for about 8 yrs)

1. do I stay with the true and tried way of just putting softer pads on

2. investing (which it will be, after I paid for freight) in an aftermarket two caliper (I think you may call these pots) system, and if so, where would I find such or are you able to point me in the right direction to a reasonable price system, that is going to work under normal driving conditions.  

I have looked at various sites throughout Europe and in most cases, I make initial enquiry, and I don't know if because I say I am from Australia, why never get a response, or if I do, the prices quoted (once conversion rates are applied) are far most expensive that what their local market priced at.

3. the last and most important point, I have a 7 yr warranty and service kit with this vehicle, and I have to take my vehicle to the local VW dealer for service, which are extremely touching about anything that is not original components part number,  I had enough arguments with this dealer from just changing to soft pads.

4. If there is an aftermarket kit that is suitable, do you know issues that may arise because of ABS, as this is vital, as our area is full of kangaroos (you usually wait to the second goes across the front of you, then start going, but they have absolutely no brains when standing in front of a vehicle or slamming into doors, rear quarter panels, so one must drive with one foot over the brake pedal, and I dont have any bullbar attached.

I have looked at Golf GTI/Audi parts numbers,  as a substitute, but the brake dealer will not supply any warranty with any parts because the parts are not going to the appropriate style vehicle.

 

Any comments and/or assistance would much appreciated, as this is my last avenue of help

 

Thanks 

GLV

Hello, welcome to the forum. I'm a little curious - you say that your usual driving style is 'heavy' on the brakes and normally switch to softer pads - don't you find the softer pads suffer more from brake fade?

Road behaviour of your roos sound much the same as sheep on back-country roads in NZ.    

Hello, if your dealer is so against any modification then your 7 year warranty is going to be invalidated if you change from the original brake setup. Other warranty issues could be falsely attributed to a change if the dealer wants to avoild paying.   ....Oh, but you changed the brake set up and that has cause the issues with the...suspension/steering/gearbox etc....

 

Revo, a subsidary of Alcon have this:  www.onlyrevo.com/product-details/brakes/mqb-chassis-big-brake-kit-mono-6

All the Superb MK3 cars, except for the 2.0TSI 272HP/280HP 4x4 use 312x25mm front brake discs. The 2.0TSI 272HP/280HP 4x4 uses 340x30mm front brake discs.

 

You could fit the 314x30mm front brakes from the Kodiaq, which are far more beefy than the 312x25mm front brakes. These use the same front brake calipers and front brake pads as the 340x30mm front brakes.

 

The diameter of the caliper pistons on the 314x30mm brake calipers is 60mm, whereas the diameter of the caliper pistons on the 312x25mm brake calipers is 57mm. 60mm pistons apply 10.8% more pressure to the front brake pads, compared to the smaller 57mm pistons.

 

The area of the friction material on the brake pads that the 314x30mm brake calipers use is also bigger than the area of the friction material on the brake pads that the 312x25mm brake calipers use.

 

You can see below in the diagrams of both designs of front brake discs, that the 314x30mm front brake discs have much better cooling than the 312x25mm design. The 314x30mm front brake discs have a 10.5mm gap in the centre of the disc for ventilation, whereas the 312x25mm front brake discs only have a 8.5mm gap. Additionally, the 314x30mm front brake discs have 128 pillars, whereas the 312x25mm have 40 fins. Also, the weight of the 314x30mm front brake discs are almost 10% heavier...so would take longer for them to overheat. The combined result of all this is a significant upgrade in the effectiveness of the front brakes.

 

The Kodiaq matches these 314x30mm front brakes with 300x12mm rear brakes...which you already have. So there would be no mismatch in front and rear brakes with this front brake upgrade.

 

Left front brake caliper for 314x30mm front brake discs TRW BHS1230E (matches 3C0615123)

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/trw/2184642#brake-caliper

 

Right front brake caliper for 314x30mm front brake discs TRW BHS1231E (matches 3C0615124)

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/trw/2184643#brake-caliper

 

Left front brake caliper carrier for 314x30mm front brake discs TRW BDA1019 (matches 7N0615125)

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/trw/2183223#carrier-brake-caliper

 

Right front brake caliper carrier for 314x30mm front brake discs BDA1020 (matches 7N0615126)

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/trw/2183224#carrier-brake-caliper

 

Front brake pads for 312x25mm front brake discs

 

Front brake pads for 314x30mm front brake discs

312x25mm front brake disc 8.6kg

 

314x30mm front brake disc 9.4kg

 

340x30mm front brake disc 10.8kg

 

Edited 5 June, 20241 yr by Carlston

@glv

Welcome to the forum.

Maybe not worth reading through 1,000 + posts, but checking out just a few threads might be. 

7 hours ago, Warrior193 said:

Hello, welcome to the forum. I'm a little curious - you say that your usual driving style is 'heavy' on the brakes and normally switch to softer pads - don't you find the softer pads suffer more from brake fade?

Road behaviour of your roos sound much the same as sheep on back-country roads in NZ.    

Hi, brake is a bit of an issue, as I live in a very large city, and our city, the have to go down the "range" to travel toward the states' capital city, it is steep and the Police radar sit on it, all the time, also I live on a hill and a decent of 25 degree, thanks for your reply and hope everything is good across the ditch

I'm still struggling to understand how fitting soft pads help braking with your normal driving style - if, as you say, you are 'heavy' on braking, how do brake pads that are more prone to fade help?

Wouldn't harder pads (similar to the old DS11 compound) work better for your style of driving?   

Edited 5 June, 20241 yr by Warrior193
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5 hours ago, Carlston said:

All the Superb MK3 cars, except for the 2.0TSI 272HP/280HP 4x4 use 312x25mm front brake discs. The 2.0TSI 272HP/280HP 4x4 uses 340x30mm front brake discs.

 

You could fit the 314x30mm front brakes from the Kodiaq, which are far more beefy than the 312x25mm front brakes. These use the same front brake calipers and front brake pads as the 340x30mm front brakes.

 

The diameter of the caliper pistons on the 314x30mm brake calipers is 60mm, whereas the diameter of the caliper pistons on the 312x25mm brake calipers is 57mm. 60mm pistons apply 10.8% more pressure to the front brake pads, compared to the smaller 57mm pistons.

 

The area of the friction material on the brake pads that the 314x30mm brake calipers use is also bigger than the area of the friction material on the brake pads that the 312x25mm brake calipers use.

 

You can see below in the diagrams of both designs of front brake discs, that the 314x30mm front brake discs have much better cooling than the 312x25mm design. The 314x30mm front brake discs have a 10.5mm gap in the centre of the disc for ventilation, whereas the 312x25mm front brake discs only have a 8.5mm gap. Additionally, the 314x30mm front brake discs have 128 pillars, whereas the 312x25mm have 40 fins. Also, the weight of the 314x30mm front brake discs are almost 10% heavier...so would take longer for them to overheat. The combined result of all this is a significant upgrade in the effectiveness of the front brakes.

 

The Kodiaq matches these 314x30mm front brakes with 300x12mm rear brakes...which you already have. So there would be no mismatch in front and rear brakes with this front brake upgrade.

 

Left front brake caliper for 314x30mm front brake discs TRW BHS1230E (matches 3C0615123)

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/trw/2184642#brake-caliper

 

Right front brake caliper for 314x30mm front brake discs TRW BHS1231E (matches 3C0615124)

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/trw/2184643#brake-caliper

 

Left front brake caliper carrier for 314x30mm front brake discs TRW BDA1019 (matches 7N0615125)

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/trw/2183223#carrier-brake-caliper

 

Right front brake caliper carrier for 314x30mm front brake discs BDA1020 (matches 7N0615126)

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/trw/2183224#carrier-brake-caliper

 

Front brake pads for 312x25mm front brake discs

 

Front brake pads for 314x30mm front brake discs

312x25mm front brake disc 8.6kg

 

314x30mm front brake disc 9.4kg

 

340x30mm front brake disc 10.8kg

 

 

3 minutes ago, glv said:

thank you fellow Skoda owners for your replies, to one reply, yes it is a 4 x 4

4 minutes ago, glv said:

Hi, brake is a bit of an issue, as I live in a very large city, and our city, the have to go down the "range" to travel toward the states' capital city, it is steep and the Police radar sit on it, all the time, also I live on a hill and a decent of 25 degree, thanks for your reply and hope everything is good across the ditch

 

4 minutes ago, Warrior193 said:

I'm still struggling to understand how fitting soft pads help braking with your normal driving style - if, as you say, you are 'heavy' on braking, how do brake pads that are more prone to fade help?

Wouldn't harder pads (similar to the old DS11 compound) work better for your style of driving?   

The suggestion is from my Non VW mechanic (who services all my families other vehicles)  that a softer compound will provide a better brake, he put  "soft compound" pads on the front on my previous Superb, it was a Bendix .  Sorry I have very little knowledge when it comer to brakes, which compound is better.  Everyone refers to a pad that is going to provide a better braking dynamics, as having softer pads.  Once I had some information for your guys, I was going to research the information to determine what may be a way to move forward on the brakes, so thanks mate, I appreciate to questioning of my terminology, as I will look in a DS11 compound

 

1 minute ago, glv said:

 

 

Thank you, this is the type of information I was hoping someone would post, the drawing to the discs etc, but I appreciate any response to my question, (was less technical, than other post I have seen), but any response, I do appreciate your time and questioning my question.

Harder pad compound delays the onset of brake fade (where you run out of braking force due to overheating) They also have the property that once the brake material has been correctly conditioned, the pad (or lining) maintains a fade resistant surface when consistently used firmly.   

Edited 5 June, 20241 yr by Warrior193
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7 hours ago, coppertop said:

Hello, if your dealer is so against any modification then your 7 year warranty is going to be invalidated if you change from the original brake setup. Other warranty issues could be falsely attributed to a change if the dealer wants to avoild paying.   ....Oh, but you changed the brake set up and that has cause the issues with the...suspension/steering/gearbox etc....

 

Revo, a subsidary of Alcon have this:  www.onlyrevo.com/product-details/brakes/mqb-chassis-big-brake-kit-mono-6

Yes, I am somewhat - dammed if I do or dammed if I don't.  I have spoken to a couple of people who work in a govt department (Office of Fair Trading) and they cannot see the invalidation issue, but this is why I am reaching out to all the other owners to see how they managed to navigate this issue.   Where I live,  I went to a aftermarket high performance workplace and spoke at length, with this very young mechanic, who really knew his stuff relating to Skoda's and this issue was basically around the manufacturers/dealers warranty obligations, to which, he indicated yes warranty would be void is I put a larger turbo in or rechipped the vehicles software.  I know that I may have some consideration of  all the issues, if I proceed, thanks for your reply

 

 

7 minutes ago, Warrior193 said:

Harder pad compound delays the onset of brake fade (where you run out of braking force due to overheating) They also have the property that once the brake material has been correctly conditioned, the pad (or lining) maintains a fade resistant surface when consistently used firmly.   

thank you for reply, but without consideration warranty etc, has anyone else upgraded the original brake kit on your vehicle, or just changing the pad compound enough for normal driving, even though I am heavy on the brakes

 

Have you actually had braking issues with the original pads apart from how quickly they wear out...?

 

I only ask as the stock system is more than capable of locking the wheels and is not the limiting factor in how quickly you can stop.

 

On track with repeated acceleration and heavy braking it's possible to overheat them etc. I'd be surprised if you're able to do this on roads with normal traffic and speed limits.

Have you tried to talking to HSY Autoparts in Ringwood (Vic)?

I am sure they will be able to source some ATE ceramic pads and discs for the Superb, which is what I am planning to do once my brakes need replacing.

@glv - i've seen some Superb 280 owners "upgrade" to Audi TT RS rotors and callipers.

 

@Carlston - reckon i can use the Kodiaq's 314x30 rotors, as a suitable upgrade for my 220 Superb (which currently uses 312x25 rotors, PR Code 1ZA), with the existing callipers?

or will i have to change the callipers and carriers too?

 

6 hours ago, glv said:

thank you for reply, but without consideration warranty etc, has anyone else upgraded the original brake kit on your vehicle, or just changing the pad compound enough for normal driving, even though I am heavy on the brakes

 

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6 hours ago, glv said:

thank you for reply, but without consideration warranty etc, has anyone else upgraded the original brake kit on your vehicle, or just changing the pad compound enough for normal driving, even though I am heavy on the brakes

 

To all that have forwarded their thoughts and comments, thank you, I appreciate the time that spent doing so,  I have more information to go on, and thanks to the gentlemen (OOTOHERE ) that gave me to best way to indicate the most appropriate wording to put in a search engine, I did not consider putting Briskoda, as the leading word, in the google search dialogue box.

5 hours ago, Gasbo said:

Have you tried to talking to HSY Autoparts in Ringwood (Vic)?

I am sure they will be able to source some ATE ceramic pads and discs for the Superb, which is what I am planning to do once my brakes need replacing.

no I have not, they have never appeared in any searches of Aust autoparts suppliers

 

Melbourne  (Vic) has many autoparts or mechanical suppliers, I live in Qld, and most the good items (not matter what it may be), are always in either NSW or Vic, I will give them go.  This has taken approx 12mths of one and off again searches, and I have been somewhat reluctant to contact this forum, as what I am is basic in nature, but hard to find, and was hoping/waiting for someone else to post a similar question 

6 hours ago, langers2k said:

Have you actually had braking issues with the original pads apart from how quickly they wear out...?

 

I only ask as the stock system is more than capable of locking the wheels and is not the limiting factor in how quickly you can stop.

 

On track with repeated acceleration and heavy braking it's possible to overheat them etc. I'd be surprised if you're able to do this on roads with normal traffic and speed limits.

Yes, I must travel approx 15km to go to our nearest town (city) and we have a steep portion of roadway, from the highway to our house,  there are three bad, tight and off camber , rough bitumen corners, as we descend from our house to a major semi rural road approx 250 vertical metres , in 1100m, with 9 corners, that come back on themselves, after that

I have to negotiate the road dynamics and the brakes are somewhat troublesome.  You can blame it on my driving style, I come into the corners hard and brake late-yes,  if I drove more conservant,  the issue may not occur, but I like to drive my vehicle, not passively.  I am not an agressive driver, but an assertive driver, therefore (within the road rules etc), the car is driven and its just the way I drive, like the brakes to be  up to MY standard, also, there is some personal dynamics,  that a better system would appease wife concerns.  As mentioned, I know that I initiate my dilemma, but this is what I seek,   I dont wish to stop dead immediately, I just want the reassurance of a better braking system, than I have on my vehicle at the moment

You might find it quicker and more comfortable to adapt your driving style - consistent late braking is almost certainly not the fastest way around a corner, why not try - set up the car on the run into the corner, follow the line through it (within your lane) and then accelerate out?

Edited 6 June, 20241 yr by Warrior193
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If heat is an issue there are brake ducts (audi I think) that attach to the lower front arm and direct air to the back of the brakes.  They attach with cable ties to no need for mods but are still OEM parts.  Also could look at changing brake lines for braided versions.  These two combined with the wide brake set from the Kodiak should give you massively increased power and resistance to fade.

4 hours ago, glv said:

I have to negotiate the road dynamics and the brakes are somewhat troublesome.

 

In what way are they troublesome...?

 

Reading between the lines, I think you might want aftermarket pads with more initial bite which may give you a better braking feel. This shouldn't cause any warranty concerns as the pads and discs are normally wear and tear items anyway. If you haven't already, you may also want to consider better tyres too 👍

 

It also sounds like you need to realise a Superb is not a light, nimble, sportscar and slow down for the three worse corners. Which will save you the expense and potential hassle of modifying your car along with the earache from your wife!!

firstly, once again,, thank you for everyone, that has responded, and my objective in having this post, was for the collective knowledge and experience,  to provide some information or options that I had not considered, or should I just forget it and be content with what I habe

This question out there(Langers2k,) yes the initial bite is what I am after, now if that is a different set of pads (definitely on the front) that may be my only option.,

Wwhich on my previous Superb, I changed pads on the front to ones that give more bite (if that is a soft or a hard pad), that is what I am after. 

I have been watching this forum for many years, and I my desire to place a post, was to gather the collective knowledge from other Skoda drivers, and if you had or or not have any concerns about the original brakes .

And if there were concerns of about the factory brakes and if so, was in common that Superb owners had considered and fitted after market braking systems which could include changing the systems to a more semi-performace style braking system.  

The primary reason that I purchased my first Skoda, I was involved in a particular sport, where Skoda was the sponsor vehicle.  I drove and was driven in Skoda vehicles (mainly Octavia's),  where there 

was a dynamic, fast changing environment, and I was continually impressed with the handling of these vehicles.

My first Superb, I drove it a lot in local at events, where the handling, brakes, driving ability, was so very important and my Superb, was "set up" for this type of sport.  

Regarding my driving skills, yes, in a previous occupation, I undertook advance driver training and yes the fastest way through a corner, is have the straightest line possible, minimal brakes and have speed through the corner and having once go through the corner, the ability to put power to the ground., in the straightest line possiblke

The current driving style and environment that I am, I need to brake heavily prior to the entrance of la few corners, is because of the configuration and environment of several corners, the braking dynamics is important.

The questions about braided lines, my mechanic, indicated in his opinion, the new brake lines are just as good as braided lines.

 

You have provided with me with different opinions, options and both negative and positive comments, which I was after.  Now I have go away on ponder, if is it worth to go down this track or just accept the Sportline braking system, for what it is

Thanks

GLV

@glv  Please could you maybe just say what Sport, Autocross, Autotesting, Rallying, Sprinting, Hillclimbing, Treasure Hunts or whatever. 

 

Braided lines are worth every penny IMO, as is a Brake Fluid upgraded.

 

There are many types of brake pads that suit different conditions or uses, track, fast road, wet use etc.

Many might be marked not for road use as not great from cold for stopping. 

But then location location location and ambient weather makes a difference.  Some fit them because seemingly their daily drive in the UK is via a track day.

Hi, the sport that I was involved with was international/national road cycling, where Skoda has been the "vehicle of sponsorship" for many years.  Yes the biggest cycling event is the Tour De France and there are TV commercials of Skoda's being driven in and out of cyclist (especially on a descents) where the riders only has be very small tyre surface area on the bitumen and there are vehicles going in, out and around riders at speed.   Sorry for any confusion, but I was not really going to mentioned this, but this is where I first noticed the number of appointments/extra that Skoda have compared to other vehicles in a similar style.  My previous Skoda sedan, had roof racks, with flashing lights, two radios, bull horn etc and I found the exact same horn that the tour has.  I was impressed because no matter what the weather/road or other issues that presented during a race, the Skodas performed extremely well, good speed, good braking (to a sudden stop-when someone has fallen directly in front of your vehicle) and handling and comfort.

Got you, thanks.

 

Lots of plenty other manufacturers cars are used to do the same in events where Skoda is not a main sponsor.

JLR, BMW, Toyota, Fiat as an example last year in Scotland @ the UCI World Champs where i did not see many Skoda used.