Terrorism!!

[camelspyyder]

1 hour ago, shyVRS245 said:

Police shoot dead terrorist suspect after stabbing members of the Public in London.

 

Well done the Met. A Police shoot to kill policy may finally reduce London's awful knife crime numbers. 

Just identify anyone with a knife as a possible terrorist, and 2 bullets can legally shortcut the courts and prison.

[moley]

Another terrorist released early from prison. Originally imprisoned for......................terrorism offences.

[shyVRS245]

20 minutes ago, moley said:

Another terrorist released early from prison. Originally imprisoned for......................terrorism offences.

Brain washed young man convicted when he was just 18 and asked his girlfriend to behead her parents. At least the sick puppy won't be hurting anyone else.

[Sad555]

Served  just 13 months of a 40 month sentence and that’s justice?

[shyVRS245]

20 minutes ago, Sad555 said:

Served  just 13 months of a 40 month sentence and that’s justice?

Joke sentence from the trial Judge and even worse by the Parole Board releasing him onto an unsuspecting Public. Will the Courts ever learn?

[gadgetman]

8 hours ago, shyVRS245 said:

Joke sentence from the trial Judge and even worse by the Parole Board releasing him onto an unsuspecting Public. Will the Courts ever learn?

Tories have been able to sort this for 10+ years, but only now decide (yet again) they need to get tough on crime. 

[Aspman]

It's all very good to say you're tough on crime but it you water down sentences to save money on prisons it doesn't really work does it?

 

30sec of searching and I can find references to statements mentioning "tough on crime" from 1993, 1995, 2007, 2017, 2019. From the tories and labour. All lying sacks of shoite.

 

It's all BS posturing. They talk the talk but duck and run when they find out how much their talk will cost. Commission a study, make the public statements, kick it down the road for 2yr then quietly forget the whole thing. £2M on  a 'study' is cheaper than an annual £10B to sort things properly.

 

[CWARD]

It’s already been reported that the person was under observation, hence why the plain clothes armed police were so close and quick to react. Not sure what the police could have done any more.

Parole and prison sentencing isn’t easy either as nice you start singling out one part of society then you open a whole can of worms and the liberals get involved and before you know it you’re in front of the European Human Rights Courts. 
 

@gadgetman I’d love to hear what the others parties would have done differently and remember it was the Tories that have prevented ISIS coming back and Labour wanted them to return 

[punyXpress]

Every prisoner applying for early release should name a sponsor from the parole board who will ensure the prisoner complies with ALL factors of his parole - 

any transgressions and the sponsor completes the sentence.

Doubt if many would volunteer for that task.

Another thing - hold the parole meeting in a very warm room, then all the snowflakes would melt away. 

[shyVRS245]

6 minutes ago, punyXpress said:

Every prisoner applying for early release should name a sponsor from the parole board who will ensure the prisoner complies with ALL factors of his parole - 

any transgressions and the sponsor completes the sentence.

Doubt if many would volunteer for that task.

Another thing - hold the parole meeting in a very warm room, then all the snowflakes would melt away. 

How about the prisoner living with the Parole board member's family for a year's trial before they are released into the Public domain.

[gadgetman]

4 hours ago, CWARD said:

gadgetman I’d love to hear what the others parties would have done differently

Other parties aren't in power. The Tories are. 

 

It's happened several times now on THEIR watch. 

[shyVRS245]

1 minute ago, gadgetman said:

Other parties aren't in power. The Tories are. 

 

It's happened several times now on THEIR watch. 

 We have also had a Labour Mayor of London who has been in control as these attacks have increased. No doubt he will condemn the latest one and claim Mr Amman wasn't a proper Muslim like himself.

[gadgetman]

4 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

 We have also had a Labour Mayor of London who has been in control as these attacks have increased. No doubt he will condemn the latest one and claim Mr Amman wasn't a proper Muslim like himself.

Given the Tories have cut police budgets under May's watch as both Home Secretary and PM, its unfair to lay the blame on city Hall. 

 

 

[shyVRS245]

1 minute ago, gadgetman said:

Given the Tories have cut police budgets under May's watch as both Home Secretary and PM, its unfair to lay the blame on city Hall. 

 

 

It's a fact though that there have been more attacks under Mr.Khan than when Boris was Mayor for 8 years. London was safer then.

[gadgetman]

22 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

It's a fact though that there have been more attacks under Mr.Khan than when Boris was Mayor for 8 years. London was safer then.

Nothing to do with an increase in poverty caused by austerity then? 

[@Lee]

If you cut the police, cut civilian service, cut the courts, cut the CPS, cut and privatised probation, cut prison funding and impose unnecessary austerity measures, what do people think will happen to crime rates?

[CWARD]

49 minutes ago, gadgetman said:

Other parties aren't in power. The Tories are. 

 

It's happened several times now on THEIR watch. 

No answer then. Just blame one party rather than look at the causes and what can be done without infringing on his and everyone else’s human rights. 

[Ootohere]

Acts of terrorism are rather different from the general crime and stabbing and murders in London.

 

This terrorist had around the clock covert police armed protection while under surveillance.    He was about as safe as a member of the Royal Family if someone was going to try and rob or attack him.

 

Lets say 6 officers minimum on 3 shifts for 24 hours at a time.  He still could go and commit a crime of theft and GBH. 

18 officers minimum @ £45,000 average say. £800,000 plus. Lots more actually.

 

So little hope of a few thousand extra police officers in London controlling jumping about the streets yobs, neds, gangs and bampots.

[shyVRS245]

1 minute ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

Acts of terrorism are rather different from the general crime and stabbing and murders in London.

 

This terrorist had around the clock covert police armed protection while under surveillance.    He was about as safe as a member of the Royal Family if someone was going to try and rob or attack him.

 

Lets say 6 officers minimum on 3 shifts for 24 hours at a time.  He still could go and commit a crime of theft and GBH. 

18 officers minimum @ £45,000 average say. £800,000 plus. Lots more actually.

 

So little hope of a few thousand extra police officers in London controlling jumping about the streets yobs, neds, gangs and bampots.

Got to be cheaper to leave them in Prison unless the Courts want them roaming around so the Police can shoot them for Target Practice.

[Sad555]

2 hours ago, gadgetman said:

Nothing to do with an increase in poverty caused by austerity then? 

More to do with the cost of street drugs Dealers and dealing.

[Ootohere]

Wee neds are getting benefits, so just treble that and tell them stick with that little potential bomber / stabber / martyr.   

If they look like doing anything fill them in.

 

Job creation.    Special constables.

Edited 3 February, 2020 by Roottootemblowinootsoot

[Sad555]

a good reason to bring back hanging

7 minutes ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

Acts of terrorism are rather different from the general crime and stabbing and murders in London.

 

This terrorist had around the clock covert police armed protection while under surveillance.    He was about as safe as a member of the Royal Family if someone was going to try and rob or attack him.

 

Lets say 6 officers minimum on 3 shifts for 24 hours at a time.  He still could go and commit a crime of theft and GBH. 

18 officers minimum @ £45,000 average say. £800,000 plus. Lots more actually.

 

So little hope of a few thousand extra police officers in London controlling jumping about the streets yobs, neds, gangs and bampots.

 

[shyVRS245]

Government have made a statement to say they will introduce an Emergency Terror Law to end early prisoner releases.

[Ootohere]

So that is Early Release going to be dealt with.

Instead of out in 18 months out in 22 months. 

 

i know 22 is not double 18 but then that is not how sentencing and release at end of sentence works.

[CWARD]

40 minutes ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

Acts of terrorism are rather different from the general crime and stabbing and murders in London.

 

This terrorist had around the clock covert police armed protection while under surveillance.    He was about as safe as a member of the Royal Family if someone was going to try and rob or attack him.

 

Lets say 6 officers minimum on 3 shifts for 24 hours at a time.  He still could go and commit a crime of theft and GBH. 

18 officers minimum @ £45,000 average say. £800,000 plus. Lots more actually.

 

So little hope of a few thousand extra police officers in London controlling jumping about the streets yobs, neds, gangs and bampots.

Police expert has on BBC Breakfast this morning reckoned on 8 people per shift so quite a bit more expense. The higher risk suspects have even more officers involved as the surveillance then spreads to other people they contact. With all the suspects, even with unlimited officers they couldn’t surveil them all and police the general public. 
 

Meanwhile, I wait for Gadgetman for his answer to solve the problem.