Nope - I didnt say which was more rigourously tested, nor did I say the Mongrel was "better" than a Lotus Carlton. I simply asked the running costs. Fuel - servicing...those are running costs.

Airbags - how does deactivating your airbag affect anyone else but himself. Life did exist before airbags you know, and believe it or not ABS, and all the other goodies you have become accustomed too.

Im smoking around in a 25 year old Jetta..... who is in more danger in a collision - me - or Jason?

Also, insurance, please explain that in the very unlikely event of Jason not being insured, how does that put pedestrians and other road users at great risk? Is he more likely to have an accident? Or do you mean they are less likely to recieve compensation if he hits them?

And who said that a newbie may get the wrong impression from a modified Fabia? What?

17 thousand members have joined since Jason....at least, and no one else has mirrored his vehicle. What makes you think someone will now?

Your head is about as far up your own **** as it will go.

Firstly can we keep the anus comments out of this debate.

2ndly I cannot believe you seriously think its safer to drive round with a car which you have deactivated its seat belt.

Given I have never owned or run a Lotus Carlton (over 20k or at all) nor this 400lbf no airbag fabia I have nothing to put down for running costs - have you owned either, clearly we can get his costs for the Fabia but the Carlton well you would be guessing and thats not reliable.

If someone crashed into him and he was killed due to not having an airbag imagine how devastating that would be for the party who hit him given he would have survived with an airbag.

As for the 25 year old Jetta - I must be honest I have not seen a Y - E reg vehicle in a long time, and those that are left will dwindle more and more. This Fabia has 25 years to go before its too old to repair I doubt your 25 year old Jetta will be around in another 25 years time.

If he has not informed his insurance company about the deactivation of the drivers airbag he is in effect driving uninsured and we all know (as its widely reported) that this overall adds

no welshy i wasn

What are his annual running costs based upon 20k a year? a 1.9ltr engine stressed to >400lbf or a Lotus Carlton with its 3.6ltr twin turbo unit which produces 412lbf - if you think the 1.9ltr will be more reliable can you please state why you believe that is the case over a 1200 run of main stream production cars which went though serious R&D - with experts (no dig here) vs someone who cannot afford to buy a vRS even 2nd hand.

Please tell me how he or others like him have more skills than those in the R&D of any car makers - and once you have told me give the same arguement to the car makers to see if they will offer you a job so they can utilise these special skills.

STFU!

:talkhand:

I have said this before but you just don't get it, YOU are the point missing point misser and you have completely missed the point!

The cost of it all is irrelevent, just like the majority of your posts!

Firstly can we keep the anus comments out of this debate.

2ndly I cannot believe you seriously think its safer to drive round with a car which you have deactivated its seat belt.

Given I have never owned or run a Lotus Carlton (over 20k or at all) nor this 400lbf no airbag fabia I have nothing to put down for running costs - have you owned either, clearly we can get his costs for the Fabia but the Carlton well you would be guessing and thats not reliable.

If someone crashed into him and he was killed due to not having an airbag imagine how devastating that would be for the party who hit him given he would have survived with an airbag.

As for the 25 year old Jetta - I must be honest I have not seen a Y - E reg vehicle in a long time, and those that are left will dwindle more and more. This Fabia has 25 years to go before its too old to repair I doubt your 25 year old Jetta will be around in another 25 years time.

If he has not informed his insurance company about the deactivation of the drivers airbag he is in effect driving uninsured and we all know (as its widely reported) that this overall adds

Using the same logic, How may claims have there been for a Fabia PD100 with a PD130 Engine transplant running on LPG and Diesel? Far less than a Fabia vRS, So would his premium be less than Stock Fabia vRS?

OK let go back to basics clearly the premium for him on a std PD100 is going to be less than a PD130 vRS.

However as you may or may not know if you modify your cars power ins companies allow say 20% more than std 50% etc. So you see if he had made his vRS to the same power as the PD100 it would be cheaper as the % difference between std and the modified value is less.

The risks they use are as follows:-

Age

Sex

Post Code

Personal History

Number of years no claims

Number of years you have owned a powerfull car

Points

Insurance group

Specific risk of the make and model of car you have

Type of job you do

Modifications

Where the car is parked at night (security)

Car security

Milage a year

Do you use it to commute or just social

Do you do buisiness miles

Given all that you come up with a premium and on this yes the vRS model may have more claims against it that the PD100 but the modificaion risk vastly outweighs the fact the vRS has a higher risk profile.

This wasn't a debate until you decide to stick your nose into a perfectly simple thread about 0-60 time.

I notice you don't post this crap on the Fiat forums.

So please let me get this right your saying its very sensible & safe to deactivate your airbag. Have you got your booked in for this modification?

Ive given valid points yet your retortes address nothing - you seem to answer the questions you want to not the difficult challenging ones I put to you.

As for the 25 year old Jetta - I must be honest I have not seen a Y - E reg vehicle in a long time, and those that are left will dwindle more and more. This Fabia has 25 years to go before its too old to repair I doubt your 25 year old Jetta will be around in another 25 years time.?

I didn't ask how many old cars you had seen, I asked who is in more danger in an impact - Jason - or me.

Idiot.

So please let me get this right your saying its very sensible & safe to deactivate your airbag.

What I think has nothing to do with it.

What I think or you think is just opinion, you have made yours know in your own sadly predicatble fashion so now just go back to your cave!

Ive given valid points yet your retortes address nothing - you seem to answer the questions you want to not the difficult challenging ones I put to you.

IT'S UP TO HIM.

That's all the answer you need right there. There is nothing valid about anything you have posted because of that.

Have you got your booked in for this modification?

Ill say it again just incase you didn't hear it the first time;

I didn't ask how many old cars you had seen, I asked who is in more danger in an impact - Jason - or me.

Idiot.

So all the other responses were fine.

Please dont put idiot in posts - I was thinking the same & worse of those who appeared tho think deactivating drivers airbagt was a sensible & safe thing to do yet I didnt post that & will not please refrain from such childish & non value add points.

So all the other responses were fine.

Please dont put idiot in posts - I was thinking the same & worse of those who appeared tho think deactivating drivers airbagt was a sensible & safe thing to do yet I didnt post that & will not please refrain from such childish & non value add points.

Say it as you see it.

Another good thread ruined by Welshy.

What I think has nothing to do with it.

What I think or you think is just opinion, you have made yours know in your own sadly predicatble fashion so now just go back to your cave!

IT'S UP TO HIM.

That's all the answer you need right there. There is nothing valid about anything you have posted because of that.

Ill say it again just incase you didn't hear it the first time;

Mod - can you please make this poster refrain from the pathetic digs.

Note IF he or anyone else is driving round uninsured it most certainly is not the end of the story.

I cannot understand why you seem to think driving round with a deactivated drivers air bag and IF ins not informed then its uninsured. Have you told your ins company about all your modifications? If not your breaking the law and risking others lives STOP trying to make out with your pathetic little child responses that this is a non issue, iomagine if it were a member of your family who had been hit by a non ins driver.

F*&king idiot

Say it as you see it.

Another good thread ruined by Welshy.

This was to shifty not to you - as you could see he retorted to 1 of my 10 odd points - he raised points to me I answered all and this was the only angle he could attack from.

If you cannot challenge others views in an adult mannor please just dont bother reading my posts.

Perhaps my posts are too challenging for you to retorte? Prove me wrong or will you just post a pic of an male chicken

Mod - can you please make this poster refrain from the pathetic digs.

Just dropping to the level you've dragged this to If you have to ask a Mod to cover for you then perhaps you should start somewhere a little less "challanging".

I cannot understand why you seem to think driving round with a deactivated drivers air bag and IF ins not informed then its uninsured.

We do speak english on this forum. What does this mean?

Have you told your ins company about all your modifications? If not your breaking the law and risking others lives STOP trying to make out with your pathetic little child responses that this is a non issue, iomagine if it were a member of your family who had been hit by a non ins driver.

When have I either condoned airbags or no airbags? Why is my car now an issue? When did that come into? What are you getting out of this? Who said my car is modified? Do you work for SUK? Are you the spy??? This would explain a lot....

F*&king idiot

I am actually for even getting involved in this. I have sunk to your level and you are trying to beat me with experiance. I have to say this though - Your contributions to this thread are a waste of space, time and energy. Your contribution to this forum serves nothing more than to antagonise the enthusiasts. Thats why I won't enter into anything other than telling you that your opinion is your opinion and what Jason does is down to him. There was no issue until you decided to make one. You have taken a decent thread and turned it into into some sort of crusade just as you always seem to do.

BTW the only thing challanging about your posts for most people is restraining the reply which I am doing right now.

Carry on as you probably will. Your post counter has just flipped onto 666 which is just plain poetic!

I supposed every forum has at least one troll. Better one big troll than lots of little ones.

Add him to your ignore list, mate. I did.

Add him to your ignore list, mate. I did.

Done! Didn't realise we had one till now.

You all seem to be missing the point regarding Jason's insurance as he

does not need to declare any mods

You all seem to be missing the point regarding Jason's insurance as he

does not need to declare any mods

Indeed. That's why I'm still with the same insurer. Can change anything but the engine CC, and I'm still running an 1896cc TDI motor. Sure I pay a premium to have this policy but as it happens it wouldn't matter if it were a 100bhp engine in it, or a 250bhp engine in it. I pay the premium of having that policy and I'm happy. Peace of mind motoring - and I've even tested the claims procedure once, successfully.

Airbags are deactivated for my own risk only. It's also easier to repair IF I happen to be unfortunate enough to have a bad accident. This is my decision and is not based on any kind of proper logic. (my own crazy logic )

The car is never going to be sold on. Why the hell would I get rid of a 250bhp car that can do 600+ miles on a tank of fuel? :confused: Plus it owes me plenty back which it will give me over the next few years.

Not much more to say. I don't mind if Welshy wishes to PM me his concerns and I'll clarify my stance and opinions. But as soon as anyone implies I'm driving around illegally (i.e. uninsured) I think that's below the belt without any facts.

Indeed. That's why I'm still with the same insurer. Can change anything but the engine CC, and I'm still running an 1896cc TDI motor. Sure I pay a premium to have this policy but as it happens it wouldn't matter if it were a 100bhp engine in it, or a 250bhp engine in it. I pay the premium of having that policy and I'm happy. Peace of mind motoring - and I've even tested the claims procedure once, successfully.

Airbags are deactivated for my own risk only. It's also easier to repair IF I happen to be unfortunate enough to have a bad accident. This is my decision and is not based on any kind of proper logic. (my own crazy logic )

The car is never going to be sold on. Why the hell would I get rid of a 250bhp car that can do 600+ miles on a tank of fuel? :confused: Plus it owes me plenty back which it will give me over the next few years.

Not much more to say. I don't mind if Welshy wishes to PM me his concerns and I'll clarify my stance and opinions. But as soon as anyone implies I'm driving around illegally (i.e. uninsured) I think that's below the belt without any facts.

Note I said IF with regards to the insurance aspect.

Indeed. That's why I'm still with the same insurer. Can change anything but the engine CC, and I'm still running an 1896cc TDI motor. Sure I pay a premium to have this policy but as it happens it wouldn't matter if it were a 100bhp engine in it, or a 250bhp engine in it. I pay the premium of having that policy and I'm happy. Peace of mind motoring - and I've even tested the claims procedure once, successfully.

sounds pretty sweet who are you insured with, and what sort of ballpark would the premium over a "normal" policy be

I understand its a Liverpool Victoria policy which is no longer available to new customers, but will be maintained for existing customers.

Yeah, like the trader policy my Dad used to have. Damn I miss that!

one thing that I don't get - a 1315kg vehicle with 240 bhp should yield much faster 0-60 and 1/4 mile shouldn't it? I plugged the numbers into an ET calculator and got far better figures estimated (ET 14.168)

Is it because it's a diesel or the tyres/traction or what?

Suspect the problem is getting that power down and possibly requiring an additional gear change? Now, if it had 4wd.......

Chris

Suspect the problem is getting that power down and possibly requiring an additional gear change? Now, if it had 4wd.......

Chris

- the Quaife helps a little, but 4x4 would work :P