Imminent driving ban

[day tripper]

On Good Friday at 12.30am I was driving to my friends, when approaching a roundabout in a 30 zone, I noticed a red Honda Accord Type R following me, as I turned right so did the Honda, so i pressed the pedal a bit more to distance my self, but so did the Honda, hte next thing I know this honda is chasing me agressively so i put my foot down. Usually If somone is trying to race you they would over take you but this car was right behind me doing some speed. I then stopped at a set of red lights, looked back in the wing mirror and saw 2 thugs looking at me, I remember the driver having a peaked baseball cap.

I then turned on my central locking and watched them until the lights changed, i then turned to my left and so did they. As a result I tried to speed a bit to get some space inbetween us as I very concerned at this point. But again the other car started to chase me again so i floored it, got to another set of lights, they pulled up besides me, i kept an eye on them and noticed them starring at me.

As as the lights had changed i slowly drove at staying at 30mph as they seemed as less of a threat, took a left at which they were still behind me, at this point I should have arrived at my friends house, but there was no way i was stopping so some ***** would beat the crap out of me or even kill me and take my car.

I continued to drive on for a mile taking a number of turnings, until the blue lights started to flash.

I couldnt believe it, It was undercover police that had chased me but didnt choose to stop me earlier, or believe that I was being carjacked.

When I asked them what did they expect me to do they said to drive at 30mph to the nearest police station.

I didnt know where the nearest police station was nor could i feel to drive at 30mph as i felt i was being harrassed as there driving behaviour was threatening.

I have been given a produced and the video will be sent to the traffic dept and they will decide whether ill be fined, points, or whatever.

Im expecting a ban shortly.

[Gwilo]

Can't say I'm surprised at this (disgraceful) tactic - - although I don't drive a VRS, the number times times I've been tailed (granted, by a fully fledged Fuzz-Wagen) are cracking well towards the half century mark - I live 12 miles from my office, and i get "escorted" right from the car park to my door every couple of months - think I must have most of Greater Manchester Police's fleet registrations on record by now...(going to sell on Ebay if anyone's intersted!! - bet saying this, they'll follow me a bit more now!)

Of course, if you had have pootled along at thirty and it was thugs and they had of done you in, i think we all know what the Fuzz response would have been....... :thumbdwn:

Apologies to Maverick, but while most cops do a very tough job and do it well, a small minority (unfortunately the ones that get the press and talked about in forums like this) don't do the profession any favours.....As you can tell, my view, while not derogatory or anything bad, ins't exactly stellar....sorry.

Wonder if they where running some "booking promotion competitin" like some of the traffic warden firms in manchester used to...? (most booked cars wins a car....scandalous...)

Don't the police still have twin rear view mirrors in their cars, even the unmarked? :confused:

EDIT to say: But if you stayed at 30 for the bulk of the journey, and that's when they pulled you over, I'd question on what grounds they did it? AFAIK, the whole country hasn't had effective martial law declared, so law enforcement still has to function under the 'notion' of reasonable grounds for suspicion or something like that......unless you where doing 50mph all the time.......funny they only gave you a producer....why not charge you with an offense there and then?

Take a look at this : Uk Motoring Offenses (Yes, i really do have this as a bookmark!)

You might not be banned - just make sure if you do get a court date, you turn up for it and plead your case.

[Witchfinder]

Apologies to Maverick, but while most cops do a very tough job and do it well, a small minority (unfortunately the ones that get the press and talked about in forums like this) don't do the profession any favours.

I'm sorry, but this is just nonsense. In all my dealings with the police, I have found them to be rude, arrogant and in one case, downright liars. Now if a respectable professional like me thinks like that, what do you reckon less savoury types think?

Daytripper - I doubt you'll get a ban unless you were really pushing on.

[ncarring]

Rob - do you categorise people by profession in any field other than public services? Do you find, for example, hairdressers to be rude, arrogant and in some cases, downright liars - I guess not?

I work with policemen day in, day out, and can say with sincerity that they are just like other people - there are good, and bad. Some you like, some you don't ...

[Witchfinder]

Rob - do you categorise people by profession in any field other than public services? Do you find, for example, hairdressers to be rude, arrogant and in some cases, downright liars - I guess not?

If I find them to be consistently so, then yes I do. One can only form opinions based on experience. Perhaps if the police weren't rude, arrogant and didn't lie in an attempt to intimidate me into admitting to something I didn't do, then I wouldn't have reason to form such opinions.

My dad's an ex-copper and let me tell you, the rozzers aren't so cuddly as some people like to make out.

[ncarring]

I never said cuddly - I just said representative - I know a lot of them. As I said, some good, some bad. It's not a generic thing.

[Witchfinder]

I never said cuddly - I just said representative - I know a lot of them. As I said, some good, some bad. It's not a generic thing.

The problem is that decent law-abiding people are forming this opinion, justified or not, and the police are doing nothing to remedy the situation. Anyway, this is neither the time nor the place for this discussion.

[ecklad]

Well... I'm disgusted at this 'trick' by the Police.... We hear more and more about car jacking's... If 2 guy's in any car started driving agressively behind my vRS.. I'd think the same.... I would not think hey they's a Police man behind me... I would try to determine if the car was following my every move then try to out distance them.. Also a question is where is the nearest Police station... well I know two local ones that shut up after 10pm....

Police traffic are very useful for controlling the bad driving etc... but are under 'targets by this Govenment to ' hand out speeding tickets to everyone doing 10 mph over a 40mph speed limit in a dismanned roadworks section of road.. 2 x Volvo T5's with 2 highly trained drivers.. looking after 1/2 mile os road...

AMAZING!!

I cannot blame the Police drivers... I would not like there job.. but its the people making the policy that are to blame!!!!!

Dazz

[day tripper]

I also do not understand the produced, like you have said I would expect them to chrarge and arrest me there and then.

I do think I will get a ban considering the speed I was doing.

Before the 1st set of lights I got up to 70mph, and the second set 93mph they said. Overtook 1 car at around 40mph. I do not condone speeds like this whatsoever. However If your about to be carjacked, speed limits go right out of the window. Im not impressed at all about the driving ban, however I am glad what I did considering the potiential that my car might have been stolen, i may have been beaten up or even killed for that matter.

At that speed I was driving in fear, however I was still paying attention to the road ahead whilst there was noone around. I have no need to drive around at those speeds at all. So yes 93mph in a 30 zone, I can kiss my liecense goodbye.

Could I be facing a prison sentence?

[excursion]

The Police aren't good for **** except nailing speeding motorists. What I said may seem like a rash, over generalised outburst for some, but it's based on experience.

day tripper, I feel for you. Where is the justice?

[day tripper]

Thanks bud, also the video in the type r will show the driving from the police car's perspective, which may be diffificult to see how the 5-0 were driving.

The driver who was a right **** says to me "if we were car jacking you dont you think would could have got you looking at our car and yours". I didnt answer him as i knew my answer wouldnt have helped me in that situation. Just some **** on a power trip.

I dont understand why they didnt stop me when i initially started to speed away. If they wanted they could have flashed my when i stopped at the first set of lights.

[Blubber2]

day tripper

Have a look at this site and maybe ask for advice,

http://www.5ive-o.com/web/viewforum.php?f=4

It's a forum that is frequented by Feds with brains, spent a while today reading and it's very interesting, I see that our Maverick regularly posts on it, I think it's outrageous the way the police acted, I would have done exactly the same as you, in the old days when I was young and stupid I would have got out with my Nora Batty (Baseball Bat), but then to top it all off I would have been done for attemped assult on a police officer. So what do you do? I travel around the country and haven't got a clue where Police stations are, and even if I did they wouldn't be manned, so in your shoes I would do the same, when you stop at the lights you think are they going to try something now, but they don't, the same at the next set of lights, so eventually you get yourself so worked up that you think ******s I want out of this situation so you floor it. Get yourself a good brief as 93 in a 30 aint good, sounds like almost a case of entrapment but surely the Police wouldn't do that would they!!!

[Blubber2]

It's also funny when the situation is reversed, Years ago I pulled up outside a shop and this skum was in the process of nicking a womans celica, so I gave chase, we drove around the back streets at stupid speeds, eventually he took a wrong turn and we got him cornered, I blocked his exit route with my car and my mate ran to the nearest house to call the police, (time before mobiles).

We were treated as hero's, front page of local newspaper with a picture of plod patting me on the back, I suppose now a day's I would have got numerous tickets for numerous offences and the chavy skum would be sent on a holiday to think over his crimes.

[excursion]

93 in a 30, **** me your were going some. Shame the ******s didn't run over one of their stingers.

[andy ellis]

Had a similar experience myself, coming back from Liverpool I decided to go though London instead of around the M25. Came off hanger lane and OK a bit over the speed limit, but not much. Noticed a car tear out of a side road and start to take a distinct liking to my rear. Like you thought a bit strange and yes they followed my every move. Even when I went around a block! By now I'm drving exemplery wondering..... Then the blue lights come on........ Pull me over and ask why am I driving like I am, had a drink have we..... The copper had real attitude, only then did he look at the tax disk and see my adi's badge next to it! Funny how that changed things. I THEN ASKED HIM WHY I HAD BEEN TAILED FOR SO LONG IN AN ONLY AGGRESSIVE MANNER AND WAS TOLD THEY WHERE ONLY MATCHING MY DRIVING STYLE!!!! At this point I nearlly fell out of the car laughing and asked for their station and call sign. Wrote a letter and got an apology back.

[fab16v]

Really sorry to hear about this. I know if I was in the same situation, I would do exactly the same. As Nick has said earlier, there are lots of very nice coppers around, but there are too many that want nothing but merits. I can't believe they can get away with doing something like this!

Anyway mate. Hope things turn out ok considering the situation. I feel for you.

[Xavier]

Hi mate. As all have said, I feel sorry for you. I've sometimes been tailgated at over the speed limit, but never pushed it too far just in case it was the fuzz. Having said that, the drivers in the car behind never looked more threatening than "that's a Skoda - easy target" boy racer kind of attitude.

If it happened to me again, and I was getting concerned by the build of people / attitude of car behind, I'd ring 999 with the handsfree kit, speak to the police, give the reg number and watch for the reaction... I wonder what they'd say if it was the fuzz :confused:

If you are prosecuted big time for it, I'd write a letter explaining calmly and precisely your side of the story. It will probably have little effect, but at least it will go "on record". And as Stimps suggested, there are forums on speeding and legal protection. I've used http://www.pepipoo.com/ myself and found them helpful

[C.J.]

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[DGW]

If some one follows me 'aggresively' I slow down and let them go past. :(

PS I have read the various comments about our police with some interest. I have been driving now for some 42 years and have had no trouble whatsoever from the police. My last encounter with them was when my Senator broke down on the A1 just after going around a roundabout. A passing traffic car made sure that I was OK and double-checked that the AA were enroute for me.

[C.J.]

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[DGW]

Colin, the option then is to stop in a location where there are people present, lock the doors and windows, and see what happens next. Had day tripper done so in this case, and assuming that he had been sticking to the speed limit, the police should have left him alone unless they had reasonable grounds to stop and question him. 93 in a 30 limit is mind-blowing, and the circumstances could lay the driver open to a charge of dangerous driving in addition to speeding.

[C.J.]

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[MAVERICK]

Thanks bud' date=' also the video in the type r will show the driving from the police car's perspective, which may be diffificult to see how the 5-0 were driving.

The driver who was a right **** says to me "if we were car jacking you dont you think would could have got you looking at our car and yours". I didnt answer him as i knew my answer wouldnt have helped me in that situation. Just some **** on a power trip.

I dont understand why they didnt stop me when i initially started to speed away. If they wanted they could have flashed my when i stopped at the first set of lights.[/quote']

Oh dear.....

right then the first thing i will start with is the tactics of ther undercover car.

I don't think that was fair in my personal opinion. Alot of new Police cars don't have second rear view mirrors, primarily due to the extra use of airbags so there is no where safe to stick it. Air bag pops out passenger side and wraps a mirror through your face first!

As for the speed 93 in a 30 is exceptionally excessive, potentially dangerous.

Get yourself a Solicitor and a copy of the video.

If your genuine fear is that the 'occupants of the car' were potential hijackers then make sure that comes out with the Solicitor. Get as much info from Scooby net and other forums about stated cases as there are plenty of them. As for them saying "we've got a Type R we don't want your VRs" Well they are mistaken cos alot of people would have VRs' as they are ALOT of car for not alot of money. In my opinion if they have clocked you at excessive speed on the intial stages why did they let you continue on from the traffic lights? Surely they have to bear in mind public safety as they are in an un-marked vehicle too? So they could have stopped you there and then? No more speeding no more danger to anyone else.

Just occurred to me... When they did eventually stop you you obviously got a producer for your documents. Were you given a verbal Notice of intended prosecution.

Basically you have to be told that you are being reported for consideration for the question of prosecution for certain offences which include excess speed, dangerous driving and careless inconsiderate driving. If you haven't been verbally warned they must send you a written one within 14 days from the date of offence. Has this been done as yet?

So speak to a solicitor first off see what they say.

Hope this is of some help.

[day tripper]

c.j. my car is a normal looking octavia, it looks like any other car. The honda wasnt trying to get past me but was directly behind me, when i got to the 2nd set of lights we were side by side, at that point I thought it was ok so i drove off as usual.

I wouldnt say the area was build up and there were no nearby populated places while did try to drive to the nearest town rather than stopping at my friends. C.j. im 22.

The police said they started tailing onto me in the first place because i pulled away from them on the roundabout. I didnt i went into the roundabout as I turned they changed lane and started to tail me.

Dangerous driving??? This is crazy I was only doing what anyone else would do.

Is there a prison sentence for dangerous driving?

How long should it take before I find out what will happen?

[day tripper]

"In my opinion if they have clocked you at excessive speed on the intial stages why did they let you continue on from the traffic lights? Surely they have to bear in mind public safety as they are in an un-marked vehicle too? So they could have stopped you there and then? No more speeding no more danger to anyone else."

I agree with you and asked myself the same question.

No i wasnt given a notice of intended prosecution. They basically said I have a producer, do you have any points on your liecense? yes i have 3, well you can expect another 3, and then went on to say the traffic department will decide what action to take.

Should I get a solicitor now or wait till the paper comes through?