Am just wondering if the owner of said vRS SE is a Briskoda follower!

Any idea what number it is? Someone was keeping a register of them here so you might be able to track him/her/it down through that?

And any idea which BMW he's buying

Chris

The thing thats been forgotten is that to get 200BHP (which you need just to pull the BMW lump along!) that handles 'properly' You have to spend 3x the amount than you would on a Furby! '));self.focus();"]

123d is about 23k on DTD.

Compare that to a furby and the money you spend on modifying it to deal with a similar sort of power. Then add to that the difference in insurance, where I would suggest the modified furby would be more.

That makes the BMW a cheaper car all in IMHO, especially if you take into consideration the retained value of the car three years down the line.

Totally agree - but the seller in the OP can afford a car in a different league to the Fabia, so I'm not really sure why people are getting defensive about it and calling Mark for pointing this out?

Because what is the f**king point in him pointing it out? No one ever ask anyone to?? The question is 'was this your car?' the answer is yes or no.

So shall we no debate about the t**tishness of Mark now?

He's not slating the Fabia...he's pointing out why someone might prefer a BMW. Which is more likely to make this thread more balanced and interesting to read than a bunch of Fabia drivers going on like their car is the best thing ever and how all BMW drivers are onanists.

Undisputed. But there are better things out there, and some people class the BMW as better than the Fabia - why is that so hard for people to comprehend?

I hadn't mentioned my car in this thread, nor would I even have replied if I hadn't been p!ssed off once again by a 'better than thou' opinion. I am happy with my car - so is everyone on here hence why they joined a Skoda owners forum, but the fabia drivers are sick of being bullied and stereotyped tbh!! I have no problem with BMW's, I'd love an M5 - but I'd kill myself! I also love lambos, veyrons, astons and many many other cars, but they are incomparable to a fabia. It's not hard to "comprehend" anything so stop patronising me. When have I ever, EVER said 'my cars better than anything else on the road'? I haven't and I wouldn't. If I wanted to spend a stupid amount of money on a car then maybe I'd buy a different make - I'd kill for an RS4 but the price is ludicrous. Considering what I paid for the fabia I think it's pretty good. For the same amount of money I could have bought a complete pile of crap!

Of course we're gonna defend our cars when ppl come on slating them. I can understand this happening a bit on general car clubs, but surely an owners club should have a more positive outlook?!?

123d is about 23k on DTD.

Compare that to a furby and the money you spend on modifying it to deal with a similar sort of power. Then add to that the difference in insurance, where I would suggest the modified furby would be more.

That makes the BMW a cheaper car all in IMHO, especially if you take into consideration the retained value of the car three years down the line.

Who said they wanted to Mod it though? A standard Fabia is a lot cheaper than a BMW. Yes, it has less power, but if he wanted a more powerful car (ie that was the main reason) surely he wouldn't have bought the fabia in the first place? So we assume he wants a standard car, is 23k more or less than a Fabia costs?

So IMHO the Fabia makes more financial sense?

I don't drive a BMW, and I have my reasons for not thinking skoda are very good.

These are hard first hand reasons that people can not argue with as even the dealer agrees with me.

My post was in response to the second post on the thread which implied there could be no reason why anyone in their right mind would swap a fabia for a BMW.

I don't see why you've had to turn this into a bit of good old personal abuse EE. Just because you have issues with me. Amazingly you could take the approach of an adult and sort them out between the two of us as I've tried to do.

Failing that you could just keep them off here.

EDIT: At mort... my point was maybe he liked the fabia but it is not what he wanted from a car after all and is now trading up rather than moding as that makes more financial sense.

Aside from the remarks made about the cars etc, please do remember the rules regarding abuse towards other members.

I don't want to see anyone get a warning or worse a ban but if we are pushed into a corner it will happen.

Please everyone lighten up, have a coffee, make friends and congratulate the OP on his potential new purchase.

I also love lambos, veyrons, astons and many many other cars, but they are incomparable to a fabia.

Pretty sure they are comparable to the Fabia..."better than" is a comparison...

Considering what I paid for the fabia I think it's pretty good.

Indeed - or for more money you can get something better. Which, I believe, was Mark's point when the seller was referred to as a "lightweight"...

Of course we're gonna defend our cars when ppl come on slating them. I can understand this happening a bit on general car clubs, but surely an owners club should have a more positive outlook?!?

Maybe, maybe not - being an enthusiast doesn't necessarily preclude objectivity...

Rob.

I don't drive a BMW, and I have my reasons for not thinking skoda are very good.

These are hard first hand reasons that people can not argue with as even the dealer agrees with me.

My post was in response to the second post on the thread which implied there could be no reason why anyone in their right mind would swap a fabia for a BMW.

How about you try actually reading the post?? The second post implied if it was someone of briSKODA - ie SKODA FORUM, then it's not likely they'd be selling it so soon. It doesn't suggest 'no one in their right mind would' at all.

Personally, I have no reason to think Skoda aren't very good having owned 4

Actually....ironically.....my dad swapped a BMW for a Fabia!!! No word of a lie - so stick that in your pipe and smoke it

EDIT: At mort... my point was maybe he liked the fabia but it is not what he wanted from a car after all and is now trading up rather than moding.

I don't disagree with you, I'd probably say a BMW is a 'better' car than a Fabia. But I just don't think that you can assume that a modded Fabia is really comparable to a standard tune car with similar figures. I had 11k with which to buy my car, and never have I looked back and thought I should have made a different choice. For what it is the Fabia does me proud. Obviously, doesn't make me think that I wouldn't trade it in for an S3 or CTR. There's a lot of reasons to swap the car, I think people are just getting tetchy as it's been implied it was because the Fabia isn't good. Rather than the other car is better.

123d is about 23k on DTD.

Compare that to a furby and the money you spend on modifying it to deal with a similar sort of power. Then add to that the difference in insurance, where I would suggest the modified furby would be more.

That makes the BMW a cheaper car all in IMHO, especially if you take into consideration the retained value of the car three years down the line.

I think you will find that the deprisiation of a BMW is higher than of a VRS, feel free to correct me if im wrong:confused:

Granted that you would have to spend alot on a furby VRS to get it to the same BHP as the 123d, but its not going to be 10k!

Any way a simple remap will get the furby as quick as the 123d 0-60 = 6.9 (BMW exagerated figures i see).

Is the 123d really cheaper to insure than the Furby VRS? Is the BMW insurance group 16 i thought? Again, correct me if im wrong.

But anyway thats not what the argument is even about!

Loz - is it raining on the moors today? Perhaps we could go for a stress relieving exercise ?

Actually....ironically.....my dad swapped a BMW for a Fabia!!! No word of a lie - so stick that in your pipe and smoke it

And i sold my BM for a Skoda too.

Does that make the Skoda a better car?

I needed a car to do more MPG due to my weekly mileage going up around 500%.

Skoda's are very well built cars nowadays (on the whole) but lets not kid our selves here, it will never beat a BMW as a drivers car, nor would any other tugga come to think of it.

Or maybe they want a car with 200+bhp that handles propperly and can be insured for less than it would take to put a fabia to that level.

That plus the nuts insurance on the VRS and the rapidly falling value of modified fabia (colG) seems to suggest that maybe they just have financial sense and want a better car

Harsh!

But fair

I bet if this was about an Octy vRS being traded in for a beemer noone would throw their toys out the pram like they have here :roll:

Pretty sure they are comparable to the Fabia..."better than" is a comparison...

Indeed - or for more money you can get something better. Which, I believe, was Mark's point when the seller was referred to as a "lightweight"...

Maybe, maybe not - being an enthusiast doesn't necessarily preclude objectivity...

Rob.

Ok, i did right what a light weight, but christ it was only a joke! And i thought as this is a skoda website people would see the funny side of it but some one has taken it personally for some reason.

If I offended anyone with my first comment on this post then am sorry, im obviously not as funny as i thought!

Loz - is it raining on the moors today? Perhaps we could go for a stress relieving exercise ?

hahaha!

I haven't said anything about what cars are and aren't good. They are all different. I just don't see why it has to be slated all the time by people with nothing better to do.

BMWs cost alot of money - you would f*cking hope they would be good else you'd been royally a$$ f*cked haven't you?! You can't compare them, they are made for different purposes.

@ Gizmo with his sarcastic little rofl smiley - how about read my post. I said he had swapped them, not that the fabia was 'better'. Just that it was worthy of swapping an oh so holy BMW for. I have nothing against BMWs, I'm just stating a fact.

A 120d (177bhp GRP 14) MSport is cheaper to insure than an 2.0 Octavia TDI (140bhp GRP 10) based on quotes I have just got.

On the 0-60 time that's great, if indeed it is the case, however put said just remapped fabia into some corners and as standard it is IMHO sorely lacking.

I also believe that in light of the issues people like ColG are having selling their cars that the retained values on the VRS are starting to fall. This isn't saying it is a bad car this is saying that like all cars there comes a point when desirability diminishes and prices fall.

Ok Loz, so your dad changed a BMW for a fabia and plenty of skoda drivers have changed to other cars. No reason to get like that really, I don't have to stick anything in my pipe or smoke at all.

The lightweight comment was why i replied, so I did read the post thanks.

I don't disagree with you on the fact that the fabia is fine for what it does mort

However; just so some people get what I was saying.

- The fabia is an OK car

- The guy wants a better car so is selling the fabia.

- It makes more financial sense to buy a better car than to make the fabia a similarly good car by modification.

- Maybe the line above is why he is selling it!

with regards to handling, watch the top gear test against the mini cooper, which is widely regarded as one of the best handling in its class. the mini out handled it but not by much, the fabia beat it round the track anyway

im not saying fabias are amazing, but they arent as bad as people are making out handling wise.

BMW's have offset pedals :(

BMW's have offset pedals :(

Not that I've noticed in the ones I've recently driven.

Anyway why is this a car slagging contest? I was just pointing out what the sellers logic might be.

in its class.

In its class. Fair comparison. This lot are being ludicrous. It's like saying 'well a Veyron is better than a Golf!!' Yeah, but you pay through the nose for a Veyron.

with regards to handling, watch the top gear test against the mini cooper, which is widely regarded as one of the best handling in its class. the mini out handled it but not by much, the fabia beat it round the track anyway

im not saying fabias are amazing, but they arent as bad as people are making out handling wise.

Please.. that is a warm mini against the top fabia. The mini was eating the fabia for lunch in the corners, however the fabia had more than enough grunt on the straight that it didn't matter and it won.

Try that against the cooper S and then the result would be different. Doesn't make the fabia a bad car, but it is not a particularly good handling car as stock.

I really don't think we need to get into a why the fabia is the best car in the world.

Loz - I didn't say they were not different price brackets, although the new skodas are fast approaching the point where they are no longer in the `value` market segment. What i said was that it is financially more sensible to trade up on power and handling this way than to mod the fabia.

That is all

This is going no where good so im having nothing more to do with this conversation.

hahaha!

@ Gizmo with his sarcastic little rofl smiley

Oh so that would be the same smiley you used then? double standards??

Actually....ironically.....my dad swapped a BMW for a Fabia!!! No word of a lie - so stick that in your pipe and smoke it

how about read my post. I said he had swapped them, not that the fabia was 'better'. Just that it was worthy of swapping an oh so holy BMW for. I have nothing against BMWs, I'm just stating a fact.

And i clearly stated i swapped for more MPG, not because it was a better car either.

My point that you obviously missed, was that sure, people will swap their BM's for a Skoda, not because the Skoda is better, but because it also has German quality (VAG before you say they are not built in Germany) and good VFM.