Does anybody actually OWN a Fabia Sport yet? :confused:

I think with the prices I have highlighted above which anyone can see on drive the deal someone would need a very good reason to go for the Sport over any of those.

£13k odd for the 105bhp 5 door sport diesel OUCH. Its certainly not very price competitive

I think with the prices I have highlighted above which anyone can see on drive the deal someone would need a very good reason to go for the Sport over any of those.

£13k odd for the 105bhp 5 door sport diesel OUCH. Its certainly not very price competitive

but when you go and buy a car, you dont expect to pay the full whack any way?

and again, people will pay these prices if there loyal to the brand.

and yes the seat leon for 11.600 is cheap but still not everyone will buy it wil they...

the fabia is still in its 1st year of sale, the prices will drop later on in its sale life. isnt that how it works?

i mean why doesnt everyone buy a cheap kia if you really want kit and save money. i know wouldnt, and i would be prepared to pay a little extra for something thats worth it.

Well somehow you have convinced that buying new is the thing for you - odd really when all the advice is to buy 2nd hand up to 5 years old and that comes from all the magazines only those who must have the latest model i.e when blue ray came out need they apply.

Also please remember than in 3 years time that 100k Golf for £5k will still be worth around £2-3k whereas this new car will be worth what say £5k thats a huge loss please explain how you can justify such a loss? Unless of course your planning on keeping the car until it drops then fair enough - note from your above comments its going to be the Mrs car i.e. city car and will not cover that many miles a year in which case why are you buying diesel? Costs more to buy long term issues with Turbo & injector failure which are just not prevelant with petrols + the cost differential will tak around 50,000miles to break even and given city car use thats going to be what 10+ years.... ouch

Couldn't be more wrong as we are relocating down South she'll be raking up the miles, a 1.4TDI offers the right blend of fuel economy and cheap running costs.... combined with the fact she'll have 3 years warrenty and breakdown assistance all in all its a very attractive offer......

How can we/she justify the loss you've calculated? Simple.... we don't run our lives like a business, for us life isn't just a black and white thing based on £'s

I think with the prices I have highlighted above which anyone can see on drive the deal someone would need a very good reason to go for the Sport over any of those.

oh, you mean things like

if you actually like the look of the car (both interior and exterior)

if you actually feel comfortable / like you can actually fit in the car

If you find that the car drives well

If previous experience with a dealer/brand has put you off buying one of their cars ever again.

If you actually want to go through the hassle /inconvenience of buying through "drive the deal" (rather than using it as a bargaining tool with your local dealer)

need I go on ?

but when you go and buy a car, you dont expect to pay the full whack any way?

and again, people will pay these prices if there loyal to the brand.

and yes the seat leon for 11.600 is cheap but still not everyone will buy it wil they...

the fabia is still in its 1st year of sale, the prices will drop later on in its sale life. isnt that how it works?

i mean why doesnt everyone buy a cheap kia if you really want kit and save money. i know wouldnt, and i would be prepared to pay a little extra for something thats worth it.

Oh my.... please understand the Leon is the next size of car up and it has a higher std kit and is much bigger inside both boot and front & rear passender space.

Brand loyalty ? Um its part of the VAG group so parts bin is shared basically your getting a slightly shorter Octavia for less than the Fabia sport with 40% more power as std....

Tell me are skodas price inelastic.... if so Id love to see them price up with the 1 series or the Astra/Golfs. My god were in a dire position economically yet your more than happy to pay more for a lesser car are you very well off or plain naive/too young to realise the value of money?

Couldn't be more wrong as we are relocating down South she'll be raking up the miles, a 1.4TDI offers the right blend of fuel economy and cheap running costs.... combined with the fact she'll have 3 years warrenty and breakdown assistance all in all its a very attractive offer......

How can we/she justify the loss you've calculated? Simple.... we don't run our lives like a business, for us life isn't just a black and white thing based on £'s

Through drive the deal its £600 cheaper lets do the maths:-

VED 1.4TDI is £35p.a. the 1.9TDI is £115p.a.

Ins 1.4TDI is £226p.a. the 1.9 TDI is £233p.a.

So far thats an annual saving of £87.

Next Fuel you say your going to be doing a lot more miles so lets say you will be travelling 15k a year.

1.4TDI combined cycle = 61mpg which means @£1.08 it will cost £1212 on fuel

1.9TDI combined cycle = 57mpg which means @ £1.08 it will cost £1,297 on fuel

So the total saving by opting gfor the 1.4TDI over the 1.9TDI is £172.

On the non financial side your opting for 13 seconds to 60 over 10.5 and 107mph over 118mph and 80bhp over 105bhp.

Now I know most will never hit the cars top speed but if it is a low as that cruising on the M way will mean much higher revs in the 1.4TDi over the 1.9TDI.

From what you say its a financial choice well there is not much in it in reality and I'd assume far lesss than you would imagine

oh, you mean things like

if you actually like the look of the car (both interior and exterior)

if you actually feel comfortable / like you can actually fit in the car

If you find that the car drives well

If previous experience with a dealer/brand has put you off buying one of their cars ever again.

If you actually want to go through the hassle /inconvenience of buying through "drive the deal" (rather than using it as a bargaining tool with your local dealer)

need I go on ?

1. Thats subjective but the 2.0 TDI Leon Ref Sport is a step ahead of the Fabia interior exterior well thats personal choice.

2. Leon is the bigger car so if you cannot fit in that then the Fabia is too small

3. Both have the latest platforms and the Ref sport Leon has the firmer suspension which going by the actual jurno reviews is what is lacking somewhat in the fabia Sport

4. They are all VAG & you can take your car even brand new to be serviced yusing genuine parts at any VAT registered garage hence if your Seat dealer is poor go to the VW/Skoda/corner shop garage etc therefore this is a null issue

5. Depends really I would certain recommend that you use it as you say but if say the DD discount is £2.9k and all you can get from the dealer is £1k its a no brainer there is a cut off point clearly but that would be <£500.

5a. When you buy white goods we all check them out in the stores then search for the cheapest deal online why should buying a car be any different? Do you like paying over the odds/taking a bigger depreciation hit?

6 List price the Fabia Sport is WAY too much. You can buy the Fiat Grande Punto 130TDI for £10.5k which as per your first point you may not want the next size up this saves you a whopping £2.5k and has 30bhp more & 0% int 4 years.

None of the arguements so far have convinced at all I know this is a Skoda forum but come off it those rose tinted glasses need to come off fast, unless of course you are all very wealthy have no debts then clearly buy what you want but when bettder and cheaper options are available its kind of bizarre why someone would opt for it + as previously stated you can already get a discount on a model thats been out all of 5 weeks that to anyone with a functioning brain indicates its a very poor seller & also the discount is ball park the same as what you can get off a Golf Gt Sport 140/170 yet that costs £7k more... and has been out since Aug07.

The answer to all your questions lies right here Welshy!

You realise now that you've been spouting rubbish for the past few weeks - and will refrain from any other comments about the Fabia Sport until you actually own one/test drive one!

In fact you're feeling the urge to buy one now!

Have to say that whilst I have to disagree a lot of the time with Welshys somewhat blinkered view of what people want from a car, and the somewhat arrogant (even offensive) way he puts his point across, he does sometimes speak some sense.

Through drive the deal its £600 cheaper lets do the maths:-

VED 1.4TDI is £35p.a. the 1.9TDI is £115p.a.

Ins 1.4TDI is £226p.a. the 1.9 TDI is £233p.a.

So far thats an annual saving of £87.

Next Fuel you say your going to be doing a lot more miles so lets say you will be travelling 15k a year.

1.4TDI combined cycle = 61mpg which means @£1.08 it will cost £1212 on fuel

1.9TDI combined cycle = 57mpg which means @ £1.08 it will cost £1,297 on fuel

So the total saving by opting gfor the 1.4TDI over the 1.9TDI is £172.

On the non financial side your opting for 13 seconds to 60 over 10.5 and 107mph over 118mph and 80bhp over 105bhp.

Now I know most will never hit the cars top speed but if it is a low as that cruising on the M way will mean much higher revs in the 1.4TDi over the 1.9TDI.

From what you say its a financial choice well there is not much in it in reality and I'd assume far lesss than you would imagine

Add into the equation that the 1.9TDI is more likely to be durable over the long term, and the extra purchase price will easily be met come resale time, the 1.9 does make a lot of sense. Not condoning the 1.4TDI by any means, but reasoned discusssion like the above post shows the guy isn't always spouting ****e.

Not condoning the 1.4TDI by any means, but reasoned discusssion like the above post shows the guy isn't always spouting ****e.

But Tom he is talking ****... all of Welshy's points are based on the assumption the car will be mine.... I have pointed out it will be my other halves car, not mine yet still he contiunes to make assumptions etc....

What Weshy dosen't appreciate or can factor into his argument is the fact my other half doesn't want a 105bhp engine.... She found my old Golf far too powerful and would only consider a 1.4TDI...... At the end of the day that's her choice

Now how do we indicate factors like that in terms of finance? The post would have been spot on if I'd have said, "oh she can't decide if she should go for the 1.9 or the 1.4, what do you think guy's"... but I didn't...

She likes the Fabia Sport, wants a new one with the 1.4TDI engine, simple as.... not a hard concept to get your head round in reality

But Tom he is talking ****... all of Welshy's points are based on the assumption the car will be mine.... I have pointed out it will be my other halves car, not mine yet still he contiunes to make assumptions etc....

What Weshy dosen't appreciate or can factor into his argument is the fact my other half doesn't want a 105bhp engine.... She found my old Golf far too powerful and would only consider a 1.4TDI...... At the end of the day that's her choice

Now how do we indicate factors like that in terms of finance? The post would have been spot on if I'd have said, "oh she can't decide if she should go for the 1.9 or the 1.4, what do you think guy's"... but I didn't...

She likes the Fabia Sport, wants a new one with the 1.4TDI engine, simple as.... not a hard concept to get your head round in reality

Bear in mind that people even ladies get used to the power very quickly.

Does she drive at 70mph max on the Mway or 80-85? If its nearer the latter then the engine speed is going to be very high and economy will suffer more than a higher powered 1.9 . Also your only talking about 25bhp my Honda Push lawn mower has 5.5hp and my strimmer has 0.8-1bhp.

If its only for her she also needs to consider how it will cope when there are two sprogs in the back the added weight in a car with such low BHP to begin with will have a notable impact on the bhp/ton.

Finally even if its too fast for her surely she has the skill to drive it slower as if not then one must question her ability to be on the open road. Is it only too fast for her when she drives it to the red line? Can she learn to change up at max 2500rpm.... if so problem solved.

Finally it might be her name on the V5 but you will be using it also and no doubt paying for it in the first place & its running costs. That ball and chain does have this impact.

The way I do it is different I buy the newer cars for myself and when Ive had enough/her old one dies I give her mine and buy another one to replace it and therefore it will always be a sporty model/strong on power.

The way I do it is different I buy the newer cars for myself and when Ive had enough/her old one dies I give her mine and buy another one to replace it and therefore it will always be a sporty model/strong on power.

Going by that statement can we assume your other half had a free lobotomy thrown in with the wedding dress, Do you actually unchain her from the sink long enough for her to be able to drive a car anywhere?

Bear in mind that people even ladies get used to the power very quickly.

Does she drive at 70mph max on the Mway or 80-85? If its nearer the latter then the engine speed is going to be very high and economy will suffer more than a higher powered 1.9 . Also your only talking about 25bhp my Honda Push lawn mower has 5.5hp and my strimmer has 0.8-1bhp.

If its only for her she also needs to consider how it will cope when there are two sprogs in the back the added weight in a car with such low BHP to begin with will have a notable impact on the bhp/ton.

Finally even if its too fast for her surely she has the skill to drive it slower as if not then one must question her ability to be on the open road. Is it only too fast for her when she drives it to the red line? Can she learn to change up at max 2500rpm.... if so problem solved.

Finally it might be her name on the V5 but you will be using it also and no doubt paying for it in the first place & its running costs. That ball and chain does have this impact.

The way I do it is different I buy the newer cars for myself and when Ive had enough/her old one dies I give her mine and buy another one to replace it and therefore it will always be a sporty model/strong on power.

That sexist, patronising, rediculous post has earned you a place on my ignore list. Such a shame. :(

Bear in mind that people even ladies get used to the power very quickly.

Does she drive at 70mph max on the Mway or 80-85? If its nearer the latter then the engine speed is going to be very high and economy will suffer more than a higher powered 1.9 . Also your only talking about 25bhp my Honda Push lawn mower has 5.5hp and my strimmer has 0.8-1bhp.

If its only for her she also needs to consider how it will cope when there are two sprogs in the back the added weight in a car with such low BHP to begin with will have a notable impact on the bhp/ton.

Finally even if its too fast for her surely she has the skill to drive it slower as if not then one must question her ability to be on the open road. Is it only too fast for her when she drives it to the red line? Can she learn to change up at max 2500rpm.... if so problem solved.

Finally it might be her name on the V5 but you will be using it also and no doubt paying for it in the first place & its running costs. That ball and chain does have this impact.

The way I do it is different I buy the newer cars for myself and when Ive had enough/her old one dies I give her mine and buy another one to replace it and therefore it will always be a sporty model/strong on power.

:orb_no_no

Good job we don't get too many of the ladies in this thread... I'm sure they'd have something to say about that!! :thumbdwn:

If you feel you have to be "PC" then go ahead the Uk needs to loosen up a lot.

If you feel you have to be "PC" then go ahead the Uk needs to loosen up a lot.

I wouldn't say I'm PC

People take things the wrong way in forums... I think people are misreading your motives/meaning when you post, that's why I use smileys to show people when I'm joking etc.

PMSL at this thread, it's better than watching comedies on TV.

Bear in mind that people even ladies get used to the power very quickly.

Does she drive at 70mph max on the Mway or 80-85? If its nearer the latter then the engine speed is going to be very high and economy will suffer more than a higher powered 1.9 . Also your only talking about 25bhp my Honda Push lawn mower has 5.5hp and my strimmer has 0.8-1bhp.

If its only for her she also needs to consider how it will cope when there are two sprogs in the back the added weight in a car with such low BHP to begin with will have a notable impact on the bhp/ton.

Finally even if its too fast for her surely she has the skill to drive it slower as if not then one must question her ability to be on the open road. Is it only too fast for her when she drives it to the red line? Can she learn to change up at max 2500rpm.... if so problem solved.

Finally it might be her name on the V5 but you will be using it also and no doubt paying for it in the first place & its running costs. That ball and chain does have this impact.

The way I do it is different I buy the newer cars for myself and when Ive had enough/her old one dies I give her mine and buy another one to replace it and therefore it will always be a sporty model/strong on power.

Again your making assumptions you haven't got a clue about, driving speeds on motorways who pays for the car, even how many children I have...

Welshy, as I said before ..... She likes the Fabia Sport, wants a new one with the 1.4TDI engine, simple as.... not a hard concept to get your head round in reality.

What are you trying to prove by constantly responding with all these facts and figures about her proposed choice of car?

Personally I think she should get a Fabia VRS, or even better a Octy VRS like mine - but she dosen't fancy either and at the end of the day its her money and her choice...

Anyway.

To get this lovely thread back on to some thread of reality, I think it's fair to say Skoda are not especially cheap these days. But then they haven't got fields full of unsold cars to shift, and their profits are pretty tidy so they must be doing something right!

How would Skoda UK actually work in conjunction with Skoda Auto. Skoda UK are an importer, seperate entity to Skoda Auto, so I presume they have to pay Skoda an agreed cost for each car they import from them? And what currency would this be in. I just wonder because the Czech crown is VERY strong against the pound now, so if they have to pay them in CZK we won't be getting as much Skoda for our GBPs! I guess it's more likely to be Euros though?

Again your making assumptions you haven't got a clue about, driving speeds on motorways who pays for the car, even how many children I have...

Welshy, as I said before ..... She likes the Fabia Sport, wants a new one with the 1.4TDI engine, simple as.... not a hard concept to get your head round in reality.

What are you trying to prove by constantly responding with all these facts and figures about her proposed choice of car?

Personally I think she should get a Fabia VRS, or even better a Octy VRS like mine - but she dosen't fancy either and at the end of the day its her money and her choice...

You have only suggested Skodas to her as alternatives - have you not given her the option of other car makers

Because it is a proposal currently and when there is a proposal (business plan) you need to challenge it if you just get arsey about the challnes perhaps the proposal deep down doesnt make sense to you either.

Ive stated facts as my arguement as to why its a poor purchase decision yet your only retort appears to be "its her choice".

When I say about kids etc not knowing either of you but assuming you are both young from your posts it would indicate that maybe kids will be coming along at some point and given that she /you both should be purchasing with that as a possiblity in mind as no way on earth would you want to be changing your car in say 4 years time because its not big enough get the right car now that can last you 8 years.

With assumptions about Motorway speeds well one was the National Speed limit (I assume she does drive at the speed limits?) and the other was there for reference if she creeps over the limit. Remember cars top speed is 107mph and at 70mph your doing around 2750rpm whereas in the 1.9 your doing 2250rpm now if you spend most of the driving at motorway speeds (and given yur earlier posts shes going to be doing a lot of miles then that would indicate a fair bit of M way speeds) then there is a point where the 1.9 will be more or equally fuel efficient i.e. at 107mph the 1.9 will be more economical than the 1.4.

I wouldn't say I'm PC

People take things the wrong way in forums... I think people are misreading your motives/meaning when you post, that's why I use smileys to show people when I'm joking etc.

Id say your correct - I get the distint impression that a number on here do not like their proposal challenged once they have made their minds up.

They dont know me nor I them I state facts about the cars and most give subjective responses which hardly justify the differences Im highlighting.

i.e. Me highlighting that you can buy a Fiesta ST 2.0 for IIRC £10.5k so why would you buy a £13k 100bhp Fabia Sport, and the Focus 1.8 TDCI Zetec a massive £5-6k off list for just under £11k yet they reply stating basically irrespective of whatever car & price it is it wouldnt change their minds now that to me stinks of arrogance & presents a valid question why would that be the case? Do they have a vested interest to only buy over priced Skodas? I.e. the sales Rep who first posted about the Fabia Sport clearly to all and sundry he has a vested interest in bigging up the car & also for spreading the doom & gloom potential about Drive the deal and other such like sites. However go onto sites like Money Saving Expert: Consumer Revenge - Credit Cards, Shopping, Bank Charges, Cheap Flights and more and you will see similar points to what Im making.

The last thing what on earth is this ignore list? To me thats like being at the table debating then standing up and leaving and that person being in belief thwat they have "Won" the debate well thats not the case debate is still on.

You have only suggested Skodas to her as alternatives - have you not given her the option of other car makers

She currently drives a Toyota, previous to that a Renault, previous to that a Fiat - she has been more than impressed with the 2 Skoda's I've had and likes the look of a Fabia sport

Because it is a proposal currently and when there is a proposal (business plan) you need to challenge it if you just get arsey about the challnes perhaps the proposal deep down doesnt make sense to you either.

Welshy - already stated we don't run our lives like a business - money isn't the sole driver

When I say about kids etc not knowing either of you but assuming you are both young from your posts it would indicate that maybe kids will be coming along at some point and given that she /you both should be purchasing with that as a possiblity in mind as no way on earth would you want to be changing your car in say 4 years time because its not big enough get the right car now that can last you 8 years.

I have a 7 year old daughter (at private school), and a large dog hence the Octavia Estate.... nick name the Family Wagon .. Quite flattered about your assumptions on our age

With assumptions about Motorway speeds well one was the National Speed limit (I assume she does drive at the speed limits?) and the other was there for reference if she creeps over the limit. Remember cars top speed is 107mph and at 70mph your doing around 2750rpm whereas in the 1.9 your doing 2250rpm now if you spend most of the driving at motorway speeds (and given yur earlier posts shes going to be doing a lot of miles then that would indicate a fair bit of M way speeds) then there is a point where the 1.9 will be more or equally fuel efficient i.e. at 107mph the 1.9 will be more economical than the 1.4.

Yawn..........

Welshy,

johnwg's wife wants a Fabia1.4TDI Sport, her choice not yours. If this is what she wants why should you argue one way or another against her getting one.

You think it is financially naive. So what, it's not your money.

I buy brand new cars every two or three years, why, because I want to. I don't care about losing money on them, I can afford it.

Get over yourself and let people do what they want to do.

Neil

I've never had any major problems with either of my Skoda's... whereas my Ford gave me no end of grief.

If I moved away from VAG, I'd probably go for Japanese, possibly Toyota or Honda!

For 15K I could have had an Impreza, or a Golf TDI... what did I go for, my Octy... it's just a far better car and far more reliable

Likewise with the Sport... you have to admit it does look the part, and if the mythical vRS does appear, I hope that the Sport gives us a taste of what it could look like

I'd go for Skoda everytime