What people seem to be forgetting is that as the years go by, methods of making things get more and more complex, and so more expensive, along with the materials to make them. Also, cars are getting bigger and bigger, requireing more and more of these expensive materials and expensive machining methods.

So what if there's a £3k price jump between the old and new Octy vRS'? there's got to me much more integral safety and techonology in teh new one than the old one, and I, for one, would be happy to pay an extra £3K for peace of mind.

The 3k price difference between the MkI and MkII octy vRS is totally justified with the extra kit you get (more powerful engine, advanced climate control etc)

I fully agree that the price is way over the odds. I'd say 11k would be a fair price for the 1.9. I just don't think it's special enough for me to have the urge to spend that type of money on one. When buying my current car, i was 100% satisfied that i'd got a good deal, and i'm sure many others with a vRS Fabia felt the same. It's this type of customer satisfaction that makes a product a success. Sadly, money is a big factor in most people's lives. Getting a good deal is something that people will shout about, and this type of word of mouth advertising is priceless to a brand like Skoda, who don't yet have the brand power to launch new models at a premium cost.

Disclaimer: This is purely my opinion on the subject in hand. I love my Skoda like a son and would reccommend one to anyone, so i am in no way trying to wind anyone up

i think the fabia 2, when i first saw it i thought skoda had lost the plot,but i quite like the sport,lowered it would look good, one thing i couldn't stomach is the price,on this topic i feel welshy has a valid point,certain competitors offer far more for the money,the pd 1.9 engine is old as the ark,and most of the petrols seem a little gutless,surely for the price increase skoda customers should be demanding more.

Oh my god please tell me your not serious koda is not the lower end of the market..

ave you no idea how the VAG group nhave segnmented the market?

Skoda - Budget Brand i.e. lower end of the market

Seat - Still a budget brand but aimed more the the young market & a link to sportyness i.e. BTCC & FIA touring cars

VW - classless brand and reasonably aspirational

Audi - prestige brand

Lambo - Super car

Bently (or is it RR?) - ultimate top end

now youve made it clear about what you are refering too, yes i agree skoda is the begining of the vag range, but your posts dont state what you were refering too. simply saying skoda is a budget or low end brand does not clearly say vs only the rest of the VAG group. i clearly refer to skoda as not being a budget low end brand when refering to other manufactures, as i clealy put vs cars like kia, chevy etc.

As for no car - well firstly with drive the deal they provide the price then you are in contact with the dealer directly so if they are that inept to get your options incorrect & have taken your car part x then you certainly have the right to claim back any hire car fees or demand that they supply you a car until your one is ready (or they give you back your part x). If you didnt part x and sold privately then its a little more tricky but still small claims court _ failing that Watchdog Im sure that the dealer would accept the Hire car costs due to their error rather than be humiliated on TV and potentially lose a lot of business.

if you read the t's and c;s to the DTD site they state that the prices on their sites are quotes and not actually real prices! at the end of the day court apeals and the like take time and effort. what you have to ask yourselves is if you are willing to spend 12 to 20k with a dealer you dont know, for the sake of 500 or so quid? IF it goes wrong with a local dealer they can help, but at the end of the day why should a dealer go out of their way to help someone who didnt buy directly from them? if i had 2 customers after a loan car that have come in at the same time the customer who bought from me gets the car imoa. THATS what you pay for by sticking to your local dealer. (THAT IS MY OWN OPINION NOT OF WHO I WORK FOR, STATED FOR OBVIOUS REASONS). if it happened to me and i lost out in that way i would be quite unhappy that the dealer is showing me no loyatly.

As for after sales care - If I have bought say a VW no matter which dealer I went into I would expect exceptional customer care as if they dont then they will not have my car for servicing another dealer will, and if they dont see that as an issue then they are naive beyond belief and theuir business deserves to fail.

well ive seen even by buying private and then going back to a dealer for help means poor service, and thats VW dealers that i had issues with myself. hence why i work for skoda and not vw. as they say bad experiances stick with us.

...surely for the price increase skoda customers should be demanding more.

Maybe they are, maybe the sales aren't quite what Skoda expected because people can see it's overpriced.

Does anyone know what the sales figures are like compared to Skoda projections*?

(*Probably company sensitive so a good guess is going to be the best we can do)

Skoda do compete with Kia/Hyundai/Suzuki/Peugeot/Citroen/Renault and probably a few others Ive left off. I got the impression from the sales rep that as I was stating that Skoda are a budget brand that I meant they were rubbish - well thats a total misconception of what I said & also there is nothing worng with being a Budget brand competitor (or even at the middle or towards the top of the budget sector).

Agree fully about it being too expensive and in all honesty given the model has only been out for 5 weeks that Drive the deal can get a discount of not far off £2k & there is a 0% deal going on clearly indicates its a poor seller. TYhe sales rep here has a vested interest to hint otherwise while I clearly have no financial vested interest & from what most know here its £ that is my main driver.

Also as Ive highlighted from drive the deal you can get a 1.8TDCI Climate Focus list £16,500 for £10500 now thats the next size up for ball park Fabia sport money with more power & kit so why buy the fabia?

you really are a troll!!

the "sales rep" has nothing to gain either. im not here to sell cars ffs! im herre as i genually enjoy skoda cars, and for the most part i enjoy the friendly banter. as i work in a dealers im also privy to some good information and if anyone wants help with any problems im very glad to help. i started this thread so see what peolpe thought of the sport and to get some pics up.

not to debate buying from DTD, or talk about why to compete with other cars of a similar nature skoda doing zero percent. FFS how can skoda do zero percent on the rest of the range and not the sport, just cos it has just come out?? dont be so stupid! first thing people ask is why the sport wasnt on zero percent!! they have done it to bring it in line with the rest of the fabia range!!!

and come on, the whole point of DTD is to discount cars, regardless of how long its been out or what car it is. your whole post is just wrong!!

take your hints that im here simply as i have £ signs in my eyes and shove them where the sun dont shine you muppet! :thumbdwn:

you really are a troll!!

the "sales rep" has nothing to gain either. im not here to sell cars ffs! im herre as i genually enjoy skoda cars, and for the most part i enjoy the friendly banter. as i work in a dealers im also privy to some good information and if anyone wants help with any problems im very glad to help. i started this thread so see what peolpe thought of the sport and to get some pics up.

not to debate buying from DTD, or talk about why to compete with other cars of a similar nature skoda doing zero percent. FFS how can skoda do zero percent on the rest of the range and not the sport, just cos it has just come out?? dont be so stupid! first thing people ask is why the sport wasnt on zero percent!! they have done it to bring it in line with the rest of the fabia range!!!

and come on, the whole point of DTD is to discount cars, regardless of how long its been out or what car it is. your whole post is just wrong!!

take your hints that im here simply as i have £ signs in my eyes and shove them where the sun dont shine you muppet! :thumbdwn:

you can't win here i'm afraid,he is a troll,and the only way to stop him is to ignore,he only ever posts to provoke a reaction,he is certainly not worth the measured and intelligent responses from members such as yourself,you can prove things beyond doubt but he will still argue a 10 year old bmw is best,he once said that if every car can't go round a corner at the posted speed limit it should be lowered,slagged loads of modded skoda's off then in a different thread he was banging on about his modded fiat,he is a grade a troll and is not even worth a response,last time he went away for a bit when no one would respond.

you can't win here i'm afraid,he is a troll,and the only way to stop him is to ignore,he only ever posts to provoke a reaction,he is certainly not worth the measured and intelligent responses from members such as yourself,you can prove things beyond doubt but he will still argue a 10 year old bmw is best,he once said that if every car can't go round a corner at the posted speed limit it should be lowered,slagged loads of modded skoda's off then in a different thread he was banging on about his modded fiat,he is a grade a troll and is not even worth a response,last time he went away for a bit when no one would respond.

thanks, i'll remember that

thanks, i'll remember that

Never got chance to say thanks for getting those pictures up of that Yellow Sport you've got in, or for the e.g. finance deal - cheers Dude

My other half still fancies a 1.4TDI Sport even after reading certain posts....

As for Welshy :banned:

I.e. the sales Rep who first posted about the Fabia Sport clearly to all and sundry he has a vested interest in bigging up the car & also for spreading the doom & gloom potential about Drive the deal and other such like sites. However go onto sites like Money Saving Expert: Consumer Revenge - Credit Cards, Shopping, Bank Charges, Cheap Flights and more and you will see similar points to what Im making.

one final thing. as you feel you need to refer to me as "the sales rep" when i clearly have a user name (and a proper name) you will now be refered to as "foolish troll" until you stop refering to me in the childish simpleton manner that you have currently chosen.

tbh it sounds like you not only have shares in DTD, but also FORD. for gods sake this is a skoda site. go start a thread in money saving expert if you want

the sales rep has spoken:rofl:

Never got chance to say thanks for getting those pictures up of that Yellow Sport you've got in, or for the e.g. finance deal - cheers Dude

My other half still fancies a 1.4TDI Sport even after reading certain posts....

As for Welshy :banned:

No probs, glad to help i hope to have a decent go in our one soon, although its a 1.9tdi i should be actually able to let people know what they are like. although i think it will be just the same as the last level 2 i drove. but thats no bad thing

welshy, dont you mean "foolish troll" ??

one final thing. as you feel you need to refer to me as "the sales rep" when i clearly have a user name (and a proper name) you will now be refered to as "foolish troll" until you stop refering to me in the childish simpleton manner that you have currently chosen.

tbh it sounds like you not only have shares in DTD, but also FORD. for gods sake this is a skoda site. go start a thread in money saving expert if you want

Go on my son, get it all out :soapbox::ready2go:

Go on my son, get it all out :soapbox::ready2go:

lol, and relax rant done!

I am due to graduate in the summer and have just got myself a job sorted, now i want to buy a 1.4tdi sport to replace my ageing 1.4mpi furby. And i have a few questions if you guys could help.

1.) I want to buy from a dealer due to the many benifits and security that this entails, all i was wondering is if that dealers are still encouraged to match prices from the likes of Broadspeed and DTD? as they did for my parents with their octy and furby's. The 1.4tdi sport with all the boxes i want ticked from Skoda is £13765, Broadspeed is £12665 and DTD is £12691, as you can appreciate a big difference.

2.) Would people recommend Skoda finance? they seem to have some good deals at the moment, i would love to take advantage of the 0% finance but wouldnt be able to afford the 30% deposit. But the solutions package at 6.9% looks great with the low payments and the option of a new car after 3 years. Would i get a matched price and be able to take up a finance deal?

Im sorry to ask the money questions but at the minute i cant seem to find the time to get down to a dealers as much as id like too.

3.) Is climatic air con an option? Its in the borchure as an option for the sport, but its not on the 'Car Builder' feature.

4.) Has anyone had chance to drive the 1.4tdi? Ive read on heard that its quite loud, and a bit rough, though it is a 3-pot. Ive also read that its very unsure with revs, moving off etc. I cant see the warrant of spending the extra on fuel, insurance, price etc on the 1.9tdi with the low mileage i will be doing.

Any help will be appreciated, or you can ignore my long winded questions haha.

4.) Has anyone had chance to drive the 1.4tdi? Ive read on heard that its quite loud, and a bit rough, though it is a 3-pot. Ive also read that its very unsure with revs, moving off etc. I cant see the warrant of spending the extra on fuel, insurance, price etc on the 1.9tdi with the low mileage i will be doing.

Any help will be appreciated, or you can ignore my long winded questions haha.

If you're only doing low mileage perhaps consider the 1.2HTP which should offer similar performance to your 1.4MPI but with better economy or the 1.6 petrol. Both are considerably cheaper than the 1.4TDI and also quieter being petrol engines. The 1.2 is especially nice round town as it has high torque at low revs. I'd try and get a test drive in each of those 3 engine options mentioned, you'll probably be pleasantly surprised with the 1.2, and it's £1400 cheaper than the 1.4 TDI :eek:

Thats good, but id prefer a diesel for economy and tax. Ill be doing low daily mileage, 10-20 miles, but there'll be occasional motorway runs to see family and friends at the other end of the country, and for that i think id prefer a diesel. Sick of getting only 320 miles from a tank of petrol, and the new petrol engines would be no better. And as for performance my current 1.4mpi is only 68bhp, so the new 1.4td will be quicker, i prefer the more usuable performance of a diesel anyway, hate having to rev my petrol to get anywhere. And yes £1400 is a lot of money, but a diesel will hold its value more than the petrols, and theres the tax, and fuel bills to consider also. All down to personal preference i guess.

£1400 should buy you about 12,000 miles of petrol, but you have a point on the tax and trade-in value.

I still think you should go and try all three engines as the 1.4TDI is very good once the turbo kicks in but a bit laggy up till then and thus not very driveabe round town.

Yeah, id be foolish if i spent such an amount of money without trying the similar petrols. Just have the feeling that if i bought the little 1.2 that id be sat on the motorway one day listening to the high revving cruise and wish i had bought a lower-revving diesel. oing to the dealer tomorrow morning hopefully to have a look around a few models. Anyway i have plenty of time to be deciding, doubt ill be placing my order until july anyway, currently still a poor tax dodging student haha.

I have a 1.4 TDI 3 - great car but mpg for me has been no where near as good as I expected.

My driving is mainly motorway at 70 mph and I am getting just under 48 mpg. Under the same conditions my old 150 bhp Golf TDI was the same.

Under most conditions though the performance is great and I really don't miss the speed of my old car (185 bhp D5 Volvo S60).

Really impressed with the Fabia tough, it is a well built honest car.

I have a 1.4 TDI 3 - great car but mpg for me has been no where near as good as I expected.

My driving is mainly motorway at 70 mph and I am getting just under 48 mpg. Under the same conditions my old 150 bhp Golf TDI was the same.

Under most conditions though the performance is great and I really don't miss the speed of my old car (185 bhp D5 Volvo S60).

Really impressed with the Fabia tough, it is a well built honest car.

How many miles have you done since you got it? might not have fully run in yet, my mum had the same problem with her Mk1 Fabia diesel, the mpg started shooting up after 8000 miles.

Im glad to hear about the performance thing, you like the engine? I know its not a common rail unit so it will still be loud until warming up, but im glad to hear positive things. And performance wise i prefer a relaxed drive anyway, im only 21, having a fast car is no good for me or my wallet.

7500 miles so maybe an improvement is just around the corner! I do remember a similar thing happening with the Golf.

I am commuting 500 miles a week so expect a report soon!

The torque actually means it is pretty nippy and can keep up with the traffic no problem. It will cruise all day at 70-80 mph which is enough for me on my commute.

Engine is a bit noisy when cold but once up and running it is pretty smooth. It does seem to be getting better as the miles build.

Only downside is that I don't think is a particularly attractive car from the outside but I guess the looks may grow on me.

Thats why i prefer the diesel because of the torque. And as for the looks i think it looks good from every angle apart from straight on at the bonnet, looks too tall from that view. Apart from that i think its an improvement and progression on the Mk1

I am due to graduate in the summer and have just got myself a job sorted, now i want to buy a 1.4tdi sport to replace my ageing 1.4mpi furby. And i have a few questions if you guys could help.

1.) I want to buy from a dealer due to the many benifits and security that this entails, all i was wondering is if that dealers are still encouraged to match prices from the likes of Broadspeed and DTD? as they did for my parents with their octy and furby's. The 1.4tdi sport with all the boxes i want ticked from Skoda is £13765, Broadspeed is £12665 and DTD is £12691, as you can appreciate a big difference.

i would say yes, have a bash at your local dealer and just lay the prices down on the table. to get the best responses i would do it before getting into a test drive. you dont want to waste your time with a dealer who wont negotiate on the price. also it shows the dealer you are a serious buyer and not just shopping. i dont think the dealer price will be far off the internet prices.

2.) Would people recommend Skoda finance? they seem to have some good deals at the moment, i would love to take advantage of the 0% finance but wouldnt be able to afford the 30% deposit. But the solutions package at 6.9% looks great with the low payments and the option of a new car after 3 years. Would i get a matched price and be able to take up a finance deal?

again theres no reason why you cant take the finance deal. there is a law that states if they offer you a price they have to offer the finance too. but im sure the dealer would rather you take the finance anyway. as long as your sure you will keep the car for at least 3 years then the solutions deal is good. but if you can afford a higher payment then they do 6.9 HP too.

3.) Is climatic air con an option? Its in the borchure as an option for the sport, but its not on the 'Car Builder' feature.

yes you can have climate, its £250

4.) Has anyone had chance to drive the 1.4tdi? Ive read on heard that its quite loud, and a bit rough, though it is a 3-pot. Ive also read that its very unsure with revs, moving off etc. I cant see the warrant of spending the extra on fuel, insurance, price etc on the 1.9tdi with the low mileage i will be doing.

the 1.4 is a bit noiser than the 4 pot version, plus the torque band is a bit smaller. Ive not had problems in drving either engine though. both seem easy and sure enough for motorway and town driving. they both quieten down when warmed up, and while cruising at a steady speed they are equally quiet. i prefer the 1.9 myself but i spend allot of time on the motorway.

HTH!

That helps a lot, cheers wooden spatula. Yeah i went to a dealer this morning to have a look around the car (very impressed), didnt want to waste his time asking about finance, pricing, test drives etc as im not buying until the summer, wouldnt have been fair. The HP would be good, but like i said i cant afford the larger deposit, and for my first new car the solutions is a good option i think, can use the trade-in value of the car at the end of the term to fund traditional credit on another new car, that seems to be the general consensus of people i talk too anyway. The sport looks very very nice, and i think the 1.4 would be enough for me with mostly an across town commute, with the odd short and occasional long motorway drive. I think that the extra £1400 is warranted on a diesel, just for economy and the lower revs on any motorway running.

I will definitely be testing the dealers will to match a broker price when i come to buy, but getting the finance gives them the extra incentive to drop the price i guess. And i must say i was massively impressed with the Mk2, had the first oppurtunity to park side by side with my Mk1. Although its taller and narrower i prefer it, pays off inside though, the space is great, and the general quality is impressive. Ill definitely be getting one, in Storm Blue hehe.