......

Then my dad pulls out his warrant card...

Nice

I learned from my dad the best way to get rid of tailgaters is to slow down. It annoys them and if they pass then at least they are where you can keep an eye on them.

Once when he was doing this with me in the car (I was 10 I think) the Ford Crapi behind floored it and ran on the other side of the road forcing traffic out of the way to get past. About 1/2 a mile later he was just getting out of the car at the pub he was racing towards and my dad pulls up. Crapi pilot looks cocky, points and laughs to his mates sat outside.

Then my dad pulls out his warrant card...

I had this with a chavved Megane a few weeks ago, I was pushing him on in the (very twisty) NSL after he'd overtaken me in a 30 limit, and he drove beyond his abilities, spun out and fell off the 6ft embankment. :eek:

I did stop to see if he was ok, and he just laughed it off...

That sounds bad yet kind of funny.

Its the idiots who can't control their cars who cause accidents.

I had a **** in a kitted up car who wouldnt budge from the middle lane and was holding everyone else up. So I floored this rental Zafira and undertook the brainless sods on the inside at about 75mph.

IMO It's not Toms fault the **** panicked and decided to drive beyond his abilities (they have an IQ of how many wheels they have) He was probably laughing out of embarassment and won't be tackling any VW badges for the forseeable future.

**The cha* word is blocked?

I doubt this **** will speed in 30mph zones again or try pushing beyong what he can handle again as the next time may prove to be the last. Straight line speed is one thing but being able to control a car through bends is another.

More than I'd bother doing......

To be honest I wasn't right up his chuff, but still felt a tad guilty... he clearly knew we were having a bit of "fun".

I've "fallen off" that same road (how I didn't roll it I don't know), and no bugger stopped for me. I helped push him to the farm track, but he'd completely rogered an alloy...

I have just seen you going towards Gorebridge. Nice hat by the way, especially on a day like today.:frosty:

The hat never comes off.

I need to keep my eyes open for vRS badges now, my car is too easy to spot.

I've had people gesticulate wildly for DARING to overtake in a 30 or 40 - when they're doing at least 10 less than the limit! To some people Overtaking = Hooligan

I agree with Mr.Smith... its even funnier in a driving school car, I like the punto, because its a bit of a sleeper, from behind, the only clue that its the sporting, is the little red dot above the P for Punto

I agree with Mr.Smith... its even funnier in a driving school car, I like the punto, because its a bit of a sleeper, from behind, the only clue that its the sporting, is the little red dot above the P for Punto

I have so much fun between lessons, traffic lights are my favourite, especially if I have a passenger as I must be a learner then, you see someone 3 cars back move out to the right turn lane fully intending on going straight on (into a traffic island). I can be doing 30 before they cross the stop line as they just don't expect the car to move, never mind move so fast.

The element of surprise, its only a yellow learner car after all. :eek:

That sounds bad yet kind of funny.

Its the idiots who can't control their cars who cause accidents.

I had a **** in a kitted up car who wouldnt budge from the middle lane and was holding everyone else up. So I floored this rental Zafira and undertook the brainless sods on the inside at about 75mph.

IMO It's not Toms fault the **** panicked and decided to drive beyond his abilities (they have an IQ of how many wheels they have) He was probably laughing out of embarassment and won't be tackling any VW badges for the forseeable future.

**The cha* word is blocked?

I doubt this **** will speed in 30mph zones again or try pushing beyong what he can handle again as the next time may prove to be the last. Straight line speed is one thing but being able to control a car through bends is another.

what you can't say chav,oh wait you can:D

What i used to do in my old ibiza was this, id purposly stay to the limit, be it 30, 40 or what ever, and occasionally you would get some **** try to over take once the limit increases to say 60-70. So as they go to accelerate past me, gently match there speed, untill they almost get past you, then nail it and leave them in a cloud of soot :lol:

I did it on the M1 once after the roadworks by jct 10 iirc, came out of them heading north bound, and some fool was on my ***, wanted to leave me when the speed limit resumed to 70, well i thought right you plank, have some of this :lol: 5th gear at 40, foot hard down and byebye all the way up to 120 ish then change into 6th to see him a very tiny spec in the rear view mirror :lol:

... all the way up to 120KPH ish then change into 6th to see him a very tiny spec in the rear view mirror :lol:

HTH

Just did this (albeit only to 90) on the Edinburgh bypass - to a 330d. My clutch still slips

HTH

it wasnt KPH, it was LEPTONS :lol:

Quite frankly then if that is your genuine opinion you don't deserve to have a driving license.

I'm not talking about causing an accident but if some monkey tries to get round me and bales in a ditch then more fool them, I'm not the AA, nor medically trained and I don't fancy a punch up.

I'm not talking about causing an accident but if some monkey tries to get round me and bales in a ditch then more fool them, I'm not the AA, nor medically trained and I don't fancy a punch up.

No but I can tell you having been run off the road and left for dead in a ditch with the car on it's side after somebody hit me, that the very least you should do is stop and call the police.

How do you know the person isn't trapped, I very nearly was, and had to crawl/climb out of my rear passenger door. I was very lucky that another two motorists saw the incident and stopped as it was a fairly major road.

At the end of the day if you did nothing wrong then calling the police isn't going to do any harm and could save a persons life. If you were around and seen leaving the scene by a third party then there is a good chance the police would want something to do.

IIRC, in France ignoring such an event would have you in court.

As for Tom, if you were having fun regardless of how close you were you did at least in some part contribute to the accident. It's even worse IMHO if you knew the bit of road was dangerous.

To whoever it was that said it's not your fault they drove past the limits. I disagree if you were driving in an intimidating fashion then you contributed to their perceived need to drive faster and so to the accident.

It's not just me who boots it coming out of 30 zones. Have to say it is one of my favourite past times!

Nicest one I did was in an old firms van (suspect slightly illegal) with pump timing slightly off .No problems with smoke on normal running - then get backbumperkisser to pull in behind ----hit the throttle - and boom - like a navy ship in distress - making smoke big time - needed radar to spot them . Never tried it on OB though .

Other nice one - from another site - poster fed up with tailgater - lets them close in , then just before garage /sidestreet ,turns left - and explodes in laughter as "FLASH/FLASH " -the camera gets them -all £60 of joy as the tailgater speeds up to commit licence hari kari

that the very least you should do is stop and call the police.

And then get points for using a phone in the car with the keys in the ignition!

I disagree if you were driving in an intimidating fashion then you contributed to their perceived need to drive faster and so to the accident.

Pass that thought onto undercover police that intimate people when driving.

Replace the TDi badge with an SDi for even better effect

How about a bazooka on the roof (firing forwards for caravans /talivans/ travellos and rearward for bootkissers /Gatsos, and a message in the rear screen for BIB -"I'M SORRY "

Replace the TDi badge with an SDi for even better effect

How about a bazooka on the roof (firing forwards for caravans /talivans/ travellos and rearward for bootkissers /Gatsos, and a message in the rear screen for BIB -"I'M SORRY ,RECOGNISED POLICE VEHICLE -WIFE RUN OFF WITH PC - DON'T WANT HER BACK"

To whoever it was that said it's not your fault they drove past the limits. I disagree if you were driving in an intimidating fashion then you contributed to their perceived need to drive faster and so to the accident.

They had no need to drive faster. They could have stopped, continued at a safe pace, or slowed down allowing him to overtake where appropriate and not had him behind. Nowhere was any need to drive faster or beyond their abilities.

Granted, I'd still stop. It would be rather stupid/rude not to. But I don't think there's any blame unless he was dangerously close or actually making contact to run him off the road. Neither of which I think Tom would have been doing.

If you cannot drive, you shouldn't have a license. If you cannot drive fast, drive slow. If you choose to drive in a fashion where you will possibly come off the road due to your lack of skill/knowledge then you only have yourself to blame in my eyes. There's always another option.

They had no need to drive faster. They could have stopped, continued at a safe pace, or slowed down allowing him to overtake where appropriate and not had him behind. Nowhere was any need to drive faster or beyond their abilities.

I said perceived need.

You know it's the fight or flight reaction that humans do when they feel threatened.

Granted, I'd still stop. It would be rather stupid/rude not to. But I don't think there's any blame unless he was dangerously close or actually making contact to run him off the road. Neither of which I think Tom would have been doing.

Glad we agree on the stop point, but I think driving in a way means you are accelerating up and back or sticking to somebody and egging them on doesn't help. I think that as I said above there is some blame that could be levelled at Tom. It is worse because he had come off there himself, so knew the danger and continued to drive in such a fashion.

If you cannot drive, you shouldn't have a license. If you cannot drive fast, drive slow. If you choose to drive in a fashion where you will possibly come off the road due to your lack of skill/knowledge then you only have yourself to blame in my eyes. There's always another option.

If you can not drive then no you shouldn't have a licence. That also covers driving too fast for the condition in such a way that is a threat to other drivers.

I think you will find it is illegal to drive in a fashion that intimidates other drivers. If not illegal certainly against what is in the highway code.

Out of interest, since you post on every thread about being able to drive fast, what if any driving qualifications do you have above the normal test that makes you such a driving god?

Perhaps take a driving day with Andy Walsh or Don Palmer and show them how it should be done?

And then get points for using a phone in the car with the keys in the ignition!

Stop then take the keys out of the ignition' date=' phone police. Even if you didn't you could tell them you did and they wouldn't give two hoots or know any better.

Pass that thought onto undercover police that intimate people when driving.

Sorry how do they intimidate people. They are undercover cars and if you are within the law you will never even notice them unless you are activly looking for them.

I said perceived need.

Thats why I said no need.

You know it's the fight or flight reaction that humans do when they feel threatened.

You know there's also 'common sense' that humans have when equipped with a brain? "Oh dear I'm going so fast I'm scared I'll crash" Not so smart is it?

Out of interest, since you post on every thread about being able to drive fast, what if any driving qualifications do you have above the normal test that makes you such a driving god?

I do not say I can drive fast. In fact I'm not a very good driver. Do you know how I combat that? I stick to the speed limits and drive within my own capability sphere. If someone is egging me on I will ignore them or give them opportunity to pass and get on with their own life.

Perhaps take a driving day with Andy Walsh or Don Palmer and show them how it should be done?

I'm considering a RoSPA course, and before that I don't feel thrashing around a track, even with such people, will quite help me as much in road driving to be honest.

That's why I said no need.

You know there's also 'common sense' that humans have when equipped with a brain? "Oh dear I'm going so fast I'm scared I'll crash" Not so smart is it?

The driver obviously felt he was being followed and felt the need to get some space between him and the tailing car. Also I think you will find fight or flight will over rule all rational thought. It is instinctive, hence common sense won't come into it in such situations where FoF comes into play.

I do not say I can drive fast. In fact I'm not a very good driver. Do you know how I combat that? I stick to the speed limits and drive within my own capability sphere. If someone is egging me on I will ignore them or give them opportunity to pass and get on with their own life.

I'm considering a RoSPA course, and before that I don't feel thrashing around a track, even with such people, will quite help me as much in road driving to be honest.

That's good to see you do, but some of your other posts in other threads such as this one: http://www.briskoda.net/forums/racing-advanced-driving-techniques/furby-vrs-handling-quirks/85366/4/

suggest you thought otherwise.

Anyway I'm more in disbelief of the other guys comments of not stopping. Is a persons ego really more important than a human life?

I think Fight or Flight is overused in situations such as this. Driving a car is not instinctual. Travelling at 60mph+ is not a natural thing, nor is using a wheel and pedals to navigate. Although you may have an overwhelming desire to get away from a following vehicle I do not think that can dissipate the fact you are in a car. And as most instructors, police and perhaps (been a long time) the highway code say - the best way to deal with it is to slow down/pull over and let them pass.

Even if not, if you keep speeding up to the point where you are unable to control your car you must be able to realise? And then common sense should kick in as a choice between "I must slow down and have this person close to me" or "I will crash and destroy my car and possibly my (and passengers) lives"

Even there your natural self preservation should overcome 'fight or flight' if you want to talk about biological functions?

As for the other thread (and it's good to know I'm judged on one only thread ) I understand the concepts of driving fast. I love the WRC and am interested in motorsports and driving. I am unable to physically practice it on track currently and wouldn't think it's a good idea to do such on the public highway. But even though I acknowledge my lack of ability I always strive to understand the concepts (hence considering RoSPA) and feel I have something to contribute - even if it's theory over practice.

I like going fast, I wont deny. But if I do; I pick when's most appropriate and never beyond my ability. I've seen what happens when you go that route.

If the guy chose to drive beyond that ability then I rest the blame squarely on his shoulders. The only point where I could admit he may have no option is if the following car was actively trying to run him off the road - in that case stopping may be unwise and slowing down would have no effect. Some people drive quicker than others, thats why country lanes have passing points and we have 'overtaking' - If you are so easily led into driving so fast you cannot control your vehicle then I wonder if you should be given a driving license to begin with. Quite simply; you're dangerous behind the wheel. I don't need to be a fast driver to realise that.

Again; it's all my own opinion, people are free to disagree.

Though I do agree that not stopping is a little harsh. On a lighthearted note; if he stopped and the guy was hurt he could save a life, if he stopped and the guy's fine you can always laugh and ask why he drove into a ditch?