Am I wrong?

Yes

Hth:thumbup:

Yes they may be built at the same plant (not actually sure) but they are not built to the same spec. (different components)

The BLT engine fitted to the Fabia vRS is the same BLT engine fitted to the Ibiza FR, and the Leon 1.9 TDi. Why would they make a set of platforms with a common engine and THEN make different grades of the same component for the same engines. Do you know how much more that would cost...loads.

Nope, his point was Skoda are a budget brand and therefore shoddy service is to be expected.

And post number 20 of this thread was my comments on the matter.

actually...seeing as he and I were talking about this in the living room earlier this evening, I know for a fact that I'm right

yep, he is right:)

i am not saying that skoda's are cheap and crap at all.

your obviously picturing this differently to me, what i see is a graph going from the cheapest of cheap cars around 5-6kish upto the top end of the car market at the million pound mark(koenigsegg CCGT anyone?) and you see the graph from one extreme to the other and where does a £24K skoda sit on this graph?

what i am trying to get across is that part of what you pay for in a higher class of car is the service you (expect to)recieve, the same as when you buy a top of the range telly from currys they carry a box to your car wish you a nice day but buy a top of the range telly from Bang & Olufsen and it gets delivered to your house and installed then setup by a qualified engineer and make sure it looks and sounds right where you normally sit. then if things go wrong which one will give you the best service?

when looking at a new telly last year me and my brother went into a premium-ish shop and just for showing interest and knowing what we were looking at and after we got taken up into the private show flat and shown the actuall telly we were asking about on skyhd/xbox etc etc where as when we asked in currys (we bought simply as we wanted a cheap 1080p to get us by) we got offered the "best price" that was more than the online price for the same shop, given the wrong telly and got waved goodbye.

at the end of the day you get what you pay for and compared to some other brands you get less with a skoda, after having owned a couple of brand new cars and dealt with a few different dealers i can honestly say that skoda don't ratre highly at all, vauxhall were best by a very long way, then ford who were very good and then peugoet who were always honest, friendly and helpful despite the product letting me down but went out of their way to make things easier for me but skoda have been difficult at every step and every visit despite never asking them to take a single step too far just asking them to do what they should/have to do yet a local VW dealer have been far more helpful and friendly despite me not even owning a VW!

Yes

Hth:thumbup:

Well we obviously have different opinions then dont we:rolleyes:

skoda have been difficult at every step and every visit despite never asking them to take a single step too far just asking them to do what they should/have to do yet a local VW dealer have been far more helpful and friendly despite me not even owning a VW!

That has always been my main problem with Skoda, Obviously at some point I thought the Superb looked and seemed like a decent enough car to part with nearly 20 grand of my own money, literaly from the minute I left the forecourt, they didn't want to know, I got the distinct impression that they were doing me a favour by even allowing me to pay for a bl**dy service, let alone fix anything under warranty, apparently I must be one of those 'pain in the ar*e' customers for daring to politely ask that my car be fixed when it repeatedly fell to pieces.

This was not limited to one dealership either, the same attitude was recieved from every dealer in the south east.

Dont worry, I got rid of my Superb a year and a half ago thank god.

Seriously, have you sat in a new Hyundai Coupe or i30? there is no way you could say they were not better quality than any Skoda. you have a point with Daewoo, but since chevrolet introduced new models they are much better.

Try a new Kia Cee'd too, fantastic car, wipes the floor with the new Fabia and 7 year warranty says alot more about their confidence in it than Skoda have in anything.

Yes they may be built at the same plant (not actually sure) but they are not built to the same spec. (different components)

yeah, i they were all at a show last year i attended. i must say they have come on along way as have skoda, but a resonable spec'd i30 is only a few hundred quid away from a octy ambiente. so they should be on a par really. a 2.0i coupe is more expensive than a octy vrs (not the best comparision i know) so again you would expect it to be of similar quality. but i would still pick a skoda, they just feel more solid.

7 year warranty is just a way of keeping the customer in the service depts pocket for longer. who gets their cars serviced at dealers after the 3 years? imagine having to pay dealer prices for the bigger serivces, with deprication the cee'd would be worth 2.5k after year 4, imagine the bill for a big service plus timing belt, brakes, mot etc?

i'd be informing my insurance company to write the car off due to the size of the service bill!!

skoda isnt the best out there, but i know what cars i choose to sell and what ones i wouldnt

7 year warranty is just a way of keeping the customer in the service depts pocket for longer. who gets their cars serviced at dealers after the 3 years?

But block exemption got rid of the stranglehold dealers had over servicing so now the warranty can remain in tact even if you get it serviced at a local independent. Sounds like the best of both worlds to me

Chris

But block exemption got rid of the stranglehold dealers had over servicing so now the warranty can remain in tact even if you get it serviced at a local independent. Sounds like the best of both worlds to me

Chris

yeah, but ive always been told that it has to be a APPROVED repair centre, not just any old fred in his shed?

yeah, but ive always been told that it has to be a APPROVED repair centre, not just any old fred in his shed?

Then you have been misinformed It has to be a VAT registered business using OEM or better quality parts in line with the manufacturer's service schedule....

Chris

Then you have been misinformed It has to be a VAT registered business using OEM or better quality parts in line with the manufacturer's service schedule....

Chris

lying little buggers!! that came from my days at citroen. in there first training course i brought up about the servicing this and was told that.

thanks for the heads up!

Some of these opinions are correct.

I mean if you're driving your own vehicle like its a GTI etc then fair enough it's your car.

But if you took it to have work done and they were test driving it then they should drive within the law etc

I would definately be annoyed if I got a penalty notice or any sort of ticket/fine if my car went in for bodywork or something.

Did it go in with a full tank and come back empty?

I dont think so, I'm just not one of those people who thinks that because they own a car, it must be the best thing on the planet.

For fucks sake! I am really starting to hate this attitude, it gets my goat in a BIG way! Of course my car is the best on the planet!! Not because it's a Skoda, not because it's a Fabia - because it's MINE!!! It's my property, I spend hours cleaning it, I take time to park it safely so it doesn't come to harm, I panic when other people drive it in case they crash it, and if I found out someone from a dealer was treating it like a toy then I would be mad!!! And with every right to be!

If I lend someone a book, I expect them to treat it as I would treat it - not to fold over pages, or break the spine or rip it. The book may only cost a tenner, but I would be pissed off if it came back anything less than perfect! I am very, very careful with my posessions and everything I own is in perfect condition. It's not about who has got the most expensive car! People care about their own belongings and it's not fair to treat them badly. What if someone could only afford a clapped out corsa? It would be all they could get but it'd still be important to them. Some of you lots really are brainless morons at times.

Just had an NIP through the door, this morning, from those nice people at Banbury. :(

39mph in a 30mph limit on 3rd January 2008. (i.e. Thursday after New Year).

Interesting that I didn't get my car back from the garage until 5th! (Saturday).

J.

I agree with the people who said to point them at the garage, and charge the garage for the hire!

For fucks sake! I am really starting to hate this attitude, it gets my goat in a BIG way! Of course my car is the best on the planet!! Not because it's a Skoda, not because it's a Fabia - because it's MINE!!! It's my property, I spend hours cleaning it, I take time to park it safely so it doesn't come to harm, I panic when other people drive it in case they crash it, and if I found out someone from a dealer was treating it like a toy then I would be mad!!! And with every right to be!

If I lend someone a book, I expect them to treat it as I would treat it - not to fold over pages, or break the spine or rip it. The book may only cost a tenner, but I would be pissed off if it came back anything less than perfect! I am very, very careful with my posessions and everything I own is in perfect condition. It's not about who has got the most expensive car! People care about their own belongings and it's not fair to treat them badly. What if someone could only afford a clapped out corsa? It would be all they could get but it'd still be important to them. Some of you lots really are brainless morons at times.

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Am I wrong?

I dont think so, I'm just not one of those people who thinks that because they own a car, it must be the best thing on the planet.

Neither do I; I do however think that my car is the best all-round compromise available for my requirements and circumstances at the time I bought it!

At that time the Kia Ceed (for one of your examples from elsewhere) wasn't even on the market!

loz....your smack on:).....id be ****ed if some tw*t at the garage decided to have a play in my motor!!!....if he got clocked speeding in it what else could he have been doing on a faster road!!.....my car my rules!!!

k:)

Neither do I; I do however think that my car is the best all-round compromise available for my requirements and circumstances at the time I bought it!

At that time the Kia Ceed (for one of your examples from elsewhere) wasn't even on the market!

It doesn't matter what it is, it doesn't matter what it cost, you don't have to justify buying it, the point is it is your car and no one has the right to abuse it! Maybe it was all you could afford? Maybe you decided to buy a cheaper car to be able to use the capital on something else - it really doesn't matter! What people here seem to be saying is that if you don't own a car worth more than 50 grand then you don't deserve to have it treated with respect.

Yes

Hth:thumbup:

And yet you have moved up the chain also. Do you feel the Skoda was just as well made as your BMW is now? If not, what do you think the reason might be ...? :rubchin:

It doesn't matter what it is, it doesn't matter what it cost, you don't have to justify buying it, the point is it is your car and no one has the right to abuse it! Maybe it was all you could afford? Maybe you decided to buy a cheaper car to be able to use the capital on something else - it really doesn't matter! What people here seem to be saying is that if you don't own a car worth more than 50 grand then you don't deserve to have it treated with respect.

You've missed the point Loz; I was saying that what is a possibly better car now (and I'd like to know just how JJ intends to determine that a better-built but "too small and too slow" car is still a better car for me than the one I chose) isn't necessarily a better car for a specific individual because it wasn't even available when they needed to buy a car!

For fucks sake! I am really starting to hate this attitude, it gets my goat in a BIG way! Of course my car is the best on the planet!! Not because it's a Skoda, not because it's a Fabia - because it's MINE!!! It's my property, I spend hours cleaning it, I take time to park it safely so it doesn't come to harm, I panic when other people drive it in case they crash it, and if I found out someone from a dealer was treating it like a toy then I would be mad!!! And with every right to be!

If I lend someone a book, I expect them to treat it as I would treat it - not to fold over pages, or break the spine or rip it. The book may only cost a tenner, but I would be pissed off if it came back anything less than perfect! I am very, very careful with my posessions and everything I own is in perfect condition. It's not about who has got the most expensive car! People care about their own belongings and it's not fair to treat them badly. What if someone could only afford a clapped out corsa? It would be all they could get but it'd still be important to them. Some of you lots really are brainless morons at times.

Your exactly the sort of person I'm talking about, It's got nothing to do with how much money you have or what you can afford, it's the attitude that no-one can criticize your car and that it's the best car on the planet and they never go wrong blah blah blah.

No ones saying you cant love your car or want to look after it, but you have to accept there are better cars out there, it doesnt matter if you spend 1k or 50K on a car, there is always something better. It always seems to be the Fabia drivers too for some reason, It's obvious a diesel engined small hatch thats riddled with faults is the fastest most reliable best handling car on the road:rolleyes:

If you cannot accept the inherant faults of the car you chose to buy then surely it is you that is the brainless moron? (I would suggest it is anyway, due to you not being able to construct a reply without insults in it).

This is a public forum, people are just as entitled to point out the bad aspects of a car as you are the good ones.

You've missed the point Loz; I was saying that what is a possibly better car now (and I'd like to know just how JJ intends to determine that a better-built but "too small and too slow" car is still a better car for me than the one I chose) isn't necessarily a better car for a specific individual because it wasn't even available when they needed to buy a car!

I'm comparing new to new obviously, it would be rather pointless comparing a new car to something thats is essentialy 15 years old.

Again, obviously, you'd compare similar models, if you wanted to buy a BMW 5 series size car you wouldn't be looking at Fabia's or Ceed's would you, those two I'd say are a valid comparison, and I personally think the Ceed is better, I'm not stupid enough to think that other people wont egree with me though, otherwise there would only be one car on the market in one trim level and we'd all have it.

Your exactly the sort of person I'm talking about, It's got nothing to do with how much money you have or what you can afford, it's the attitude that no-one can criticize your car and that it's the best car on the planet and they never go wrong blah blah blah.

No ones saying you cant love your car or want to look after it, but you have to accept there are better cars out there, it doesnt matter if you spend 1k or 50K on a car, there is always something better. It always seems to be the Fabia drivers too for some reason, It's obvious a diesel engined small hatch thats riddled with faults is the fastest most reliable best handling car on the road:rolleyes:

If you cannot accept the inherant faults of the car you chose to buy then surely it is you that is the brainless moron? (I would suggest it is anyway, due to you not being able to construct a reply without insults in it).

This is a public forum, people are just as entitled to point out the bad aspects of a car as you are the good ones.

Mate, seriosuly, where did I say ANYTHING About criticising any kind of car? where? You are making it up now and are exactly the sort of brainless moron to which I refer. I don't care what you think of my car, I don't care what ANYONE thinks of my car, that isn't what I was saying if you bother to read my post instead of being a narrow minded pillock.

I was saying that no matter what kind of car it is, or whether it is worthy of your blessing, it is someone's property!! Somebody takes care of it and it is of particular value and importance to somebody, therefore saying 'oh well you bought a cheap car therefore it doesn't matter if someone treats it badly at the garage' is disprespectful and downright wrong. Yet that is what people are saying.

My car isn't the most expensive on the market, but, for a 21 year old to go and buy a 13k car outright in cash wouldn't be considered 'cheap'. 'Cheap' would have been if I went and bought a 1k banger. But even then, it's 1k of my money that no one else has the right to abuse. This is the point I am making.

Cannot accept inherrent faults? Are you actually reading this thread or saying what you WANT me to have said?? I have no faults with my car and I am perfectly happy with it thanks..... you weirdo

I don't want it to be the fastest thing on the road, I would kill myself. It does what I need it to do - it gets me to work and back and it is pretty.

I feel you have some kind of inadequacy issues what with tryin to put people down all the time. In all honesty it just makes you look a tosser

Isnt the point of the thread getting a NIP when you're not even in possession of the car?

My Felly costs a fraction of other cars but I wouldnt swap it yet - it rocks

I cringed when my uncle drove it. Sure its not as big as his Vectra, nor offered the power of his 1.8 being only a 1.6 but the way he drove my car makes me cringe except my Dad he's smooth with his gear change and things.

Then says Skoda arent prestige.

I accept that there might be better cars than mine like the Focus, Octavia etc but thats not the point here.

I can go right off topic and say my Skoda has spent more time on the road than on the ramps etc so whats the better car now? Oops I just did

Loz is right though. I have lent stuff like books out to people, friends and not even got it back.......

If I give something to someone regardless of cost I expect it back in the same condition.

some people really do expect the world from dealers and be treated like gods when they have bought a cheap car from whats basically a budget company :eolleyes:

Sorry I wasn't in his front room discussing this, I can only go by what was said on the forum, which was above.

As has been repeatedly stated, how I chose to drive my car is up to me, if someone else is entrusted with my vehicle then I would expect them to treat it with respect and certainly drive it legally (or at least not get caught!).

I'm not aware that I've put anyone down? I haven't started throwing around insults because I dont like someone elses opinion that they are fully entitled to hold and express? (unlike you).

I never once said that anyone has the right to abuse your car or to speed in it when out on a test drive? I said people are entitled to criticize it, you said "of course my car is the best on the planet" well i'm afraid it's not even close, but that doesn't stop you from loving it though does it? I never said you couldn't love your car, just that you shouldn't be delusional about it.

I didn't say you had said anything about people criticizing your car, I said "your the sort of person" it's a generalisation.

It's the whole defensive attitude by owners of certain brands/models of car I'm on about, with Skoda it seems to be Fabia drivers, with other brands it is also prevalent and predominantly with the lower end of the market, i.e. small 'warm' hatches driven by teenagers, it would seem that these are the people with the inadequacy issues as they just cant accept that there car isn't the best/fastest on the planet, that bares no relation to how they feel personally about their car though.

I'd be interested to hear exactly what you think my inadequacy issues are though? I could do with a laugh.