You should have 225's on there really mate. I think it may be dodgy having those on there. How does it handle ???

I think the only issue will be with speedo accuracy as the 215's have a smaller rolling radius. Handling should be fine and might be slightly better as it has a smaller sidewall.

Chris

I think the only issue will be with speedo accuracy as the 215's have a smaller rolling radius. Handling should be fine and might be slightly better as it has a smaller sidewall.

Chris

Ahh I see .............Just checking !!!

My preference Toyos every time, excellent grip & a reosnable wear rate

Whatever you choose try Dave for a price here

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/maintenance-performance/cheap-tyres/83704/

I'd avoid the Avon ZZ3 tyres. There great in the Dry they have 10mm thread from standard (rather than the normal 8mm) They last well and are quiet on the road plus they are cheap. All sounds good but the wet performance is terrible.

Darren

I've got Avon ZZ3's on my Octi vRS. I find them absolutly fine. Good all round performance in all weather conditions. They cost me £109.00 each, reduced from £213.00.

Toyo's grip better but the Falkens last longer, although in all honesty there isnt much in it in my opinion.

There was about £20 per corner in it when I priced them up!

Chris

I just put toyos on the front and moved the falken 512's to the back.

The falkens 512 were a bit ropey tbh but then they are cheaper than the 452's though.

That said the current set up feel much better than the when £50 quid jobs were on the back

But the toyos just can't be beaten for £94 each imo .

HTH

Falkens then??

rather keep to the standard size of 205/50/R17 for the time being

If you are replacing all 4 there is no reason whatsoever not to change to 225/45/17. Wider tyre, far bigger choice, cheaper. A no-brainer.:)

I just put toyos on the front and moved the falken 512's to the back.

The falkens 512 were a bit ropey tbh but then they are cheaper than the 452's though.

That said the current set up feel much better than the when £50 quid jobs were on the back

But the toyos just can't be beaten for £94 each imo .

HTH

Its an old topic but ALWAYS put new tyres on the back. Better tyres on the front will hang on longer in a corner but if you have to lift off they continue to grip but the back can let go & you can easily spin. Its often beyond recovery.

Also Toyos can be found cheaper http://www.briskoda.net/forums/maintenance-performance/cheap-tyres/83704/

falken fk452's get my vote.

Last well and grip pretty well too.

Ok changing to 225 seems to be the choice, but what have your insurance companies said to such a change? I don't want to think how much extra they will charge me for my VRs:thumbdwn:

Ok changing to 225 seems to be the choice, but what have your insurance companies said to such a change? I don't want to think how much extra they will charge me for my VRs:thumbdwn:

I suspect a lot of them aren't declared.....

Chris

just rang the insurance got a wooly reply that it shouldn't effect the premium as it isn't a performance mod:confused:

Its an old topic but ALWAYS put new tyres on the back. Better tyres on the front will hang on longer in a corner but if you have to lift off they continue to grip but the back can let go & you can easily spin. Its often beyond recovery.

Also Toyos can be found cheaper http://www.briskoda.net/forums/maintenance-performance/cheap-tyres/83704/

Belive me the back end grip is now much better than it has ever been as those cheapies have been on there since I owned the car, so I am completely at ease with how the back end behaves with ****e tyres, I also found I had way more problems with understeer, it now feels very neutral (and grippy) in cornering.

I know what they say about which end the new tyres go on but I needed to get rid of the understeer which I found worse to deal with than the oversteer.

Thanks for the heads up on the price as well I paid £94 each fitted locally which was a bit than the £125 and £115 two other places quoted me. Was the price you had for 215 or 225's

anaybody tried toyo px4, they look good can't find any reports though

Belive me the back end grip is now much better than it has ever been as those cheapies have been on there since I owned the car, so I am completely at ease with how the back end behaves with ****e tyres, I also found I had way more problems with understeer, it now feels very neutral (and grippy) in cornering.

I know what they say about which end the new tyres go on but I needed to get rid of the understeer which I found worse to deal with than the oversteer.

Thanks for the heads up on the price as well I paid £94 each fitted locally which was a bit than the £125 and £115 two other places quoted me. Was the price you had for 215 or 225's

Mine were 215

Modern cars are designed to understeer, its basically a safety thing, the car becomes less controlable at a lower speed so the average numptie who lifts off suddenly dosent get the back stepping out.

If you car now has less understeer its more likely to suffer oversteer so if you have to lift off 1/2 way through a corner when you are on or near the limit be prepared to have to nail it again.

Try finding a big area of tarmac or an EMPTY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! roundabout, boot it round until you are NEAR the limit then lift off,gently the first couple of times & more sudden as you get used to it. Dont be close to the central kerb as the car may well tend to turn in & before you know it you will have the inner front wheel on the roundabout. Do it a few times & build up the speed but remember its illegal so choose the location wisely & make sure if its a roundabout you have good visibility up all the entry roads. MOST Importantly make sure its empty

Mine were 215

Modern cars are designed to understeer, its basically a safety thing, the car becomes less controlable at a lower speed so the average numptie who lifts off suddenly dosent get the back stepping out.

If you car now has less understeer its more likely to suffer oversteer so if you have to lift off 1/2 way through a corner when you are on or near the limit be prepared to have to nail it again.

Try finding a big area of tarmac or an EMPTY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! roundabout, boot it round until you are NEAR the limit then lift off,gently the first couple of times & more sudden as you get used to it. Dont be close to the central kerb as the car may well tend to turn in & before you know it you will have the inner front wheel on the roundabout. Do it a few times & build up the speed but remember its illegal so choose the location wisely & make sure if its a roundabout you have good visibility up all the entry roads. MOST Importantly make sure its empty

Been there done that (on a private road) and I know exactly what you mean, tried it since changing the tyres round and its much more neutral and needs alot more speed to get it to oversteer than it did last week when I tried. That said last weeks trials were a lot more fun in practise but ultimately more dangerous for road use. I feel a lot happier now and just need to kill off the falkens so I can get 2 more toyos for the back.

What difference does a 215 make then or is it just down to price really ??

Been there done that (on a private road) and I know exactly what you mean, tried it since changing the tyres round and its much more neutral and needs alot more speed to get it to oversteer than it did last week when I tried. That said last weeks trials were a lot more fun in practise but ultimately more dangerous for road use. I feel a lot happier now and just need to kill off the falkens so I can get 2 more toyos for the back.

What difference does a 215 make then or is it just down to price really ??

Ive always run 215 but my cars a bit of a one off, started life as a 4x4 with 150 bhp on 16's, now its on 17's & they seem to cope with 350 bhp fairly easily ;) but I think the 4x4 has most to do with that

Ive always run 215 but my cars a bit of a one off, started life as a 4x4 with 150 bhp on 16's, now its on 17's & they seem to cope with 350 bhp fairly easily ;) but I think the 4x4 has most to do with that

Ah right

215 are just slighty thinner across the tread as the 45 bit is the profile iirc

if your not too squimish about price go for the Yokohama AVS Sports, I had them in 205/50/17 on my old vrs, did about 20k miles before replacing the fronts at 2mm. Dry grip was amazing and they weren't all that bad in the wet. changed up to 225/45/17 Toyo Proxie t1-r and regretted it.

You should have 225's on there really mate. I think it may be dodgy having those on there. How does it handle ???

Its really good, without any problems, what i can say is that is much better than before on originally fitted wheels.

Its really good, without any problems, what i can say is that is much better than before on originally fitted wheels.

Cool

I could have sworn that a while back someone said that anything other than 205/225 caused handling problems. But from whats been posted it appears I must have dreamt it.

I'm using 215/45/17 Pirelli Pzero Nero ... best tires i ever had !!!

Ah right

215 are just slighty thinner across the tread as the 45 bit is the profile iirc

The 45 (or whatever) is the sidewall height as a percentage of the tread width, so 215/45 = 96.75mm sidewall, 225/45 = 101.25mm sidewall...

What the writing on the tyre wall means

Toyo Tire

I had Avon ZZ3's. Had uneven wear on the fronts and bad rumble on the rears to the extent that I thought the bearings were on the way out. Turns out they were out of shape. My local dealer warned about them. Apparently, Avon know about this but insist their new range have ironed out this problem. I switched to Toyo TR1 tyres. Much better all round