Monkhai

Another delay and now it might not come with charging cables or a granny charger any more. FFS! Seriously tempting to tell them to stick it or just buy it cash, then immediately sell it for a couple of k over RRP.

Which is exactly where I am. It was a stated feature, but now it’s on MY23 and an update it coming. That’s why I’m on the fence.

Not me, but perhaps @john999boy or @DeanVRS20VT Edit: Actually I may be able to, as I've followed the forgotten my password prompt. If you know which e-mail address would be associated with your previous account, then there is likely a I've forgotten my password link in there.

The more dense they get the more risk, however if you keep them in a suitable case in a room that doesn't get too hot/cold and without lots of UV light, then they're just fine. At the end of the day, if you can reach a NAS or any other read/write medium from the main computer, then it can be hacked/corrupted too. It's a shame apple time machine type features are not a standard feature available in all OS also. Each item in a backup/archive strategy is just one layer, but the different layers protect against different risks.

Write once optical disks are almost essential as a backup, because they can't be altered once you've backed it up. Off site is an important, but hard to achieve component for most home IT users.

Our dealer is a mile from us and they are trying. They are speaking to product specialists, who are speaking to higher up, who are getting answers from Korea (so they say). A german colleague who has one, has been told by their dealer after a complaint that there is definately an update for the MY22 cars. Currently with such long wait times for everything, I'm on the fence, however if I take it and that update didn't come then they will only get to screw me and anyone I talk to once.

And both claim to be speaking to Kia Korea. One thing I will say, if such a key feature was denied even though all the hardware is there in favour of keeping it for the new MY then it shows how backwards a company model is. At which point they’ll get killed by the market a few years down the line.

Who said anything about the product? It still means if looking right now to place a new order there is limited point .

Diesel in oil = DPF regen issues Not always the cause but was a sign of issues in older/different brands.

I’ve seen £4000/year mentioned for the cap from January.

Currently the availability problems are the issue. Most EV are 9-24 month waits. Solar battery availability is a nightmare. Solar panel availability is a nightmare. Getting the things installed is a complete disaster too. I have to say the EV shine has definitely been tarnished before it’s even turned up.

Honestly Kia appear not to know their arse from their elbow. Some countries saying MY22 gets it, others saying no only MY23. Customer services says can't you just wait for a MY23 car, when I said I'm happy to but dealer wants 50% extra per month they just go quiet. The car was originally going to be delivered as a MY23, so I'm just a bit hopping mad they pulled it forward and didn't ask. Totally sick of it and if this goes south, then I don't think I'll be revisiting a Kia/Hyundai dealer any time in the near future.

Not it, but the mk1 human driving. Apparently turning up regen and disabling cabin heating (with a heat pump) increases heat from regen charging and reduces heat being pulled out of the battery (via the heat pump) 😂😂👍

If they can get that going in 3.5 years based on SSP then I'd seriously consider one of those if the rumoured ranges etc were real.

So ignoring the rumours and things that have been said by various Kia/Hyundai execs and other countries the official line is: - MY22 has a battery heater - MY22 won't get pre-heat en-route to a charger as this is MY 23 everywhere. The rumours say the latter isn't true if you have a battery heater and a heat pump (which I do). I have a feeling that since the car has a battery heater, even if it was cold, it will draw power from a charger to heat the battery once you plug in and whilst it will start slow, it will speed up (Unlike the i5's that don't have a heater). Do others agree with my understanding there? If so then actually if you turn off cabin heating and turn up regen when you're about 15 minutes from your fast charger it might actually start at a decent speed and get warmer/faster due to the heater. Thoughts appreciated as IMHO that's a heck of a lot better than the 35kW average on cars without battery heaters

I get that you'd want better now. However jumping into a car and driving it like a normal car and keeping cool and still getting 3.1 means thinks are looking pretty good should we decide to carry on down the EV route.

That's not bad at all at 3.1 miles/kWh. Doing anything to preserve energy or just driving as normal with regenerative braking?

Yes and fuel has tanked here too, but actually you need to make ICE more expensive to buy new. Put the new car First year tax up steeply on all ICE cars, bar maybe a few very clean hybrids.

The EV grant was just keeping the buy prices higher, with one base model designed to fit just under the old grant bracket. Right now the tax payer shouldn’t be paying private individuals to get EV. Grants for charging hubs in out of the way and rural locations where companies won’t, possibly tied with rural broadband. If Royal Mail was still state owned all local delivery vehicles on electric, but as it’s not laws to stop all these “self employed” delivery drivers in polluting vehicles. Stop companies taking the pee with BIK free cars as a perk. If the government is going to subsidise cars, they need to be built in the UK from a majority UK supply chain. Otherwise they’re just giving taxpayers money away.

I’ve had an informal conversation that Kia stated publicly all EV6 in uk have winter mode and the battery heater. Still waiting for a formal confirmation and also about the preheating update, but as long as the car has a battery heater the rates from cold would likely average high enough to be 10-80 in 30-40 minutes. That would be something you could live with.

I mean at 60p suddenly Tesla makes sense. Im surprised gridserve or someone similar hasn’t come up with a virtual electric tariff or export tariff where they buy the kWh cheap from home owners and trade them off against their consumption.

I have got one coming on the same basis, but between interest rate changes, demand, availability and price increases if I was to order the same car today it would be nearly £200 more a month 😮😮😮 That means the difference to me was £100 a month but now it’s nearly £300. We own our car outright so there is a little bit of doing the right thing too. So yes it made sense, I’m just not so sure it does today with higher buy prices and higher running prices. Still a slowdown blip would let them sort out charger numbers before a glut.

It’s sad that comparing new for new an EV barely makes sense financially as if you ignore the car costs it’s a winner. As for used prices yes complete madness.

They’re both more than a new one though George 😕 The reserved GT Line S is way over RRP, in the standard colour and doesn’t mention the only option, which is a £900 heat pump. I mean look at the price of this 4 year old up… It’s twice the price of a slightly newer, slightly higher miles petrol. £8000 at 10MPL/45MPG is 4000L at £2/L or 40,000 miles. That’s probably more than an average UP will do in 4 years.

Most cars I look at the lease difference vs a petrol or diesel and an equivalent 150-250 mile EV is at least £200. Don’t forget most people will be buying new EVs as there are not that many used and even those that are used are very expensive now. What are you making the monthly base cost you mention from as I cannot understand what it’s coming from? EV insurance is currently more here, but it’s not a huge difference now.