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have you seen the date these results were published ? 2001

So all the research & results were pre HDI / PD engines, also don't VW put a soot collector cum cat into the exhaust circuit ?

The sooner there is a reliable electric car ( not restricted ) the better. ( dont power stations produce more greenhouse gasses than motor vehicles )

And aviation fuel?

Tax free?

Nice.

Steve

I fill until the nozzle "clicks", then put another

Denis, my only reason for queezing more diesel in at the mo is to take advantage of nice Mr Tesco's (Tescos ) offer of 5p off per litre. It would be rude not to avail myself of his generosity, wouldn't it?

The Octy's the only car I've owned that isnt't *easy* to brim and, in actual fact, I still never get it totally full - just somewhere near the top (and to the nearest whole litre ;) ).

Anyway, I'll let you all (excluding Geoff) get back to your diesel vs. petrol thing.......

Its more a swapping of information Geoff' date=' so hardly boring repartition.

Ok , so the subject has wandered off the original topic, but no-ones quite got the "my stick is bigger than yours "bit..just yet anyway.

Interesting question though comes to mind on the brimming topic, how many actually do brim their car and is it just a diesel driver thing?[/quote']

I do ....I always brim the Octy vRS.

Thinking about it I used to do the same with a golf 115 pd tdi as well though!

Like many Briskodians,I do a high mileage and by brimming it can get away with less time on the forecourts - although the expansion tank trick is all news to me - willl have a look next time..

And yes,yes ,I do know that I could save even more filling up time by less severe use of the pedal - but we have to have some fun dont we!!and whats the point ofgetting a Vrs if you spend all day cruising around in it

marc

What you have to ask yourself is why if diesel is so bad..are most of the major manufacturers saying that diesel is the way forward as the petrol engine is more or less developed out.

Sorry for the diversion.

Had a long chat with Skoda on fuels before we bought the Diesel, aparently one major reason for developing Diesels is that they consider vegetable oils to be a major fuel of the future as oil runs out or becomes more expensive, its many years away but the more they can advance diesel technology the better it will be for the future (their opinion)

Brimming = less trips to petrol station

Less trips to petrol station = less top trumps / collector cards etc

Less collector cards = less chance of winning a nice new motor.

Anybody here see how *little* they could put in when Shell did their Top Trumps promotion?

If you really want to brim the tank easily then remove the vent valve. Very simple operation called a 'ventectomy'. Saves fiddling around pressing the little black lever. It's quite amazing how much more fuel you can get in. I would only suggest it for a diesel car as diesel fuel hardly expands compared to petrol as it warms up.

As a motorcyclist, I used to be appalled at casual disregard for diesel spillage, usually caused by overfilling, because I have fallen off on a diesel slick in my youth. But now I regard it as a form of natural selection among road users.

Fortunately, fuel always throws to the outside of a turn, so bikers can usually hug the inside and miss it - unlike the next cage racer on max lean, depending on the outer treads for grip.

Diesel doesn't evaporate off like petrol, so a sunny spell won't shift it.

I guess it all evens out as a sort of natural justice in the end that the vehicles most likely to spin off are the builders trucks that spill the most in the first place.

There is nothing like a nice drop of rain after a long dry spell to clear the roads (of clowns).

Or what about faulty fuel pumps that dont shut off properly in the first place?

Or motorcylists who insist on riding with full beam on blinding everyone who looks their way and making judgement of speed and distance almost impossible?

Or what about faulty fuel pumps that dont shut off properly in the first place?

Or motorcylists who insist on riding with full beam on blinding everyone who looks their way and making judgement of speed and distance almost impossible?

sorry i knocked d*ckhead off his bike, officer but his main beam blinded me and so i couldn't see him undertaking me

dont start me on bikers again !!

I see the bike haters are easily aroused again.

funny - I didn't see any mention of undertaking or main beam in my post. I thought I was complaining about over-filling fuel tanks.

Closer scrutiny required from the scrutineer I think.

Just a few points:

I am not a "born again biker", I started in 1970 and just continued.

I have the same personality when I drive my Skoda, it just doesn't fit through the same gaps.

I have the same personality when I drive my 4x4, it just annoys a greater number of people especially when towing.

All new bikes have headlights permanently on and are often difficult to adjust when buried in a fairing. But the lights on my 4X4 are more annoying to cars than the bike lights, its just that no-one wants to make anything of it.

I would defend anybody's freedom to injure themselves, in any pastime they choose. But a motorist who wants to wipe out another road user, out of self righteous jealousy really needs psychiatric treatment.

I always fill my car up to the 'click' then leave it for a sec and put at least another

I see the bike haters are easily aroused again.

funny - I didn't see any mention of undertaking or main beam in my post. I thought I was complaining about over-filling fuel tanks.

Closer scrutiny required from the scrutineer I think.

Just a few points:

I am not a "born again biker"' date=' I started in 1970 and just continued.

I have the same personality when I drive my Skoda, it just doesn't fit through the same gaps.

I have the same personality when I drive my 4x4, it just annoys a greater number of people especially when towing.

All new bikes have headlights permanently on and are often difficult to adjust when buried in a fairing. But the lights on my 4X4 are more annoying to cars than the bike lights, its just that no-one wants to make anything of it.

I would defend anybody's freedom to injure themselves, in any pastime they choose. But a motorist who wants to wipe out another road user, out of self righteous jealousy really needs psychiatric treatment.[/quote']

nothing hurts like the truth!

as far as closer scrutiny goes if you actually open your eyes and read I didn't start that particular line,just agreed but I don't notice you whinging to others!

Bikers haters as you like to call them are not born - they evolve after being **** on by bikers so much. To give you an example,recently we went on the ferry from Dover,it took about an hour to get from the port entrance to the check in.There was a constant stream of bikers jumping the queue and pushing in right at the check in.What gives you lot the right to not have to queue like normal people?

Who said anything about wanting others out?I just thought it was a bit of black justice if a biker blinds someone then gets taken off - IF THE LIGHTS WERE OK WE COULD SEE YOU!

Jealosy - thats the funniest thing I've ever heard I havn't had the required lobotomy to make we want to be a biker

I see the bike haters are easily aroused again.

funny - I didn't see any mention of undertaking or main beam in my post. I thought I was complaining about over-filling fuel tanks.

I have no truck with bikers. I think the dipped healights on all the time is a good idea, what I have objection to is those that insist on switching to full beam all the time (and yes there full beam blue light is on by there speedo..which is clearly visible when they pass you).

Riding a cycle on the roads is just as dangerous without the ability to be able to speed out of situations like you can on a motorbike, so I understand the dangers of 2 wheels.

I also would agree that spilt diesel is a real hazard to motorcyclists especially in the wet...so dont target your motorcycle haters comment in my direction thankyou. :P

I spent three years as a courier{motorbike} and have come off due to diesel.

You smell it then BAM you hit the floor. Hard.

I believe all car driver should spend 6 months on a moped etc before being able to get behind the wheel, if nothing more it makes you appreciate how vulnerable you are on the road and how much you rely on all your senses, also how important things like mirrors are .

As for head lights well i can understand that it would annoy some but the same thing applies to motorcycles, god knows how many times at night ive nearly come off due to some tw*t not dipping the main beam, also when riding in the rain having someone driving 8 foot of the rear wheel.

This could turn into a Octy v Furby thing :fence3d:

I fully appreciate how scary it can be for motorcycle riders, but please..no more mopeds/wasps for young people to hare around on.

I never realised that shorts, t-shirts and trainers were sufficient protective clothing for riding powered 2 wheels on the road.

Would love to have a bike...

However losing an uncle to a 38 tonner whilst out on his bike one night puts me off somewhat.

At least in a car you have a fighting chance.

Echo those sentiments Geoff..bruv broke 2 vertibrae on his bike, best m8 nealy lost his foot in collision with a Volvo, and bruv in law was killed aged 23 on his (by a car doing a U-turn on a bend...he hit it at 35 mph in 40 zone and went straight up then down onto his head).As you can understand..Mrs Kentish will never allow me on a motorbike.

This is why i won't ride a bike and treat everything on 2 wheels with utmost respect

HERE

Scroll down to my third post about half way down.

I think this has gone a little OT? :lol:

Ive been very lucky, come off 6 times and always got up. I had a mate hit a lamp post with his brother on the back.He died and his bro spent 6 months in hospital . Given up the fast bikes and make do with a Harley now :( 2 kids etc. My dad had them and now my son has one BUT the idea is to get it out of his system before he hits 17,not 16 as i would'nt let him on one of those little wheeled sh*te buckets.

Riding has made me a better car driver very handy with my job.

Steve

There are good car drivers and good bikers. However, there are also nutter car drivers and nutter bikers. The nutters of either persuasion tend to give the good ones a bad name.

I always try to keep an eye out for bikers - I've never ridden one and don't want to (I like my creature comforts!), but I try to see their point of view. However, I've also seen plenty of bikers put themselves in (IMHO) stupid positions and then get angry when a car driver doesn't react in the way that they *want*.

If we could get rid of all the nutters then the roads would be a safer place...

Problem is, the 40 somethings who get rid of the kids from home, then go out and buy a road-going Superbike.

They haven't been near a bike in 15-20 years and the current machines are FAR too fast for them.

Tis a recipe for disaster.

There are good car drivers and good bikers. However' date=' there are also nutter car drivers and nutter bikers. The nutters of either persuasion tend to give the good ones a bad name.

I always try to keep an eye out for bikers - I've never ridden one and don't want to (I like my creature comforts!), but I've also seen plenty of bikers put themselves in (IMHO) stupid positions and then get angry when a car driver doesn't react in the way that they *want*.

If we could get rid of all the nutters then the roads would be a safer place...[/quote']

Agree both posts..

Steve

Perhaps if everyone was made to ride 2 wheels for say 6 months as part of their driver training you might find a better overall understanding from both car and bike riders.