Hello all,

I waxed my car yesterday and decided to use some old Turtle Wax Metallic I had in the garage. When I say old, I mean it's probably around 7-8 years old.

I noticed when applying it that it seemed to have a blotchy appearance, as if the wax wasn't spreading properly or something. I did shake the bottle a lot before application.

It was quite cold yesterday though, not as bad as during the week which was very cold, but pretty cold nonetheless.

I haven't properly inspected the results yet, but should I have avoided using wax as old as this, and should I have avoided doing it in the cold?

I hadn't done the car since buying it a couple of months ago so really wanted to get it done once because of all the salted roads!

What does everyone think?

Regards,

Richard.

if its very cold then wax does have a problem in being applied to the car. but 8 year old turle wax probably doesnt help either.

Some waxes contain petroleum distillates and these can separate or evaporate over time. Waxing in cold weather is not a good idea, and using wax that old even worse. Still, at least the paint now has some form of protection, but when you get better milder weather, I would give the car a three stage treatment, or have it professionally detailed.

Both are problems to be honest! With the age of the wax, given the length of time it's probably been stored in a cold garage, the best place for it is the bin

And yes the outside temperature does make a difference as well. A wax will always be harder to remove when using it at lower temps. You'll get better results if you wait for warmer weather. Then remove this Turtle Wax with a paint cleaner and put something better on - there's a Group Buy for Collinite 476S on at the moment, for example

Steve

Thanks, so the general message here is bin the Turtle Wax and do it again with new stuff when it's a little warmer?

Do I really need to remove the Turtle Wax though, what would be the harm in just applying whatever I buy to replace it right over the top?

shaken up well enough and left in a warmer place the turtle wax will probably be fine

I've done a car with turtle wax that was from an old turtle wax glass bottle (eg very old) and it was fine so I'd say it's much more down to temperature.

If you're after something easy to apply for an all in one I'd say Klasse or CarLack or if you're just after a sealant try some Turtlewax Gloss Guard. A doddle to apply and protects well too.

I've done a car with turtle wax that was from an old turtle wax glass bottle (eg very old) and it was fine so I'd say it's much more down to temperature.

If you're after something easy to apply for an all in one I'd say Klasse or CarLack or if you're just after a sealant try some Turtlewax Gloss Guard. A doddle to apply and protects well too.

This is probably a dumb question, but when you say "a sealant", what do you mean? What is a sealant that a wax/polish isn't (and vice versa)?

You have a "wax" which is made mainly out of natural waxes and a "sealant" which is made from synthetic polymers. Both do the same job at the last stage, but in a different way with a slightly different look.

It's not as clear cut as that though as the lines between wax and sealant are quite blurred.

You would use the Klasse AIO in place of the cleaner, polish and wax as it is an all in one.

You would use the gloss guard after a polish (such as autoglym SRP) in place of the wax.

HTH

Would you be able to recommend something? The car is approx 10 months old, paint's in good condition so far. I ideally want something I can apply now and again after a wash that protects the paint. Issues like shine level is secondary! Fast and easy application would also appeal though (I like to look after my cars but I don't like spending whole weekends cleaning them)

Would you be able to recommend something? The car is approx 10 months old, paint's in good condition so far. I ideally want something I can apply now and again after a wash that protects the paint. Issues like shine level is secondary! Fast and easy application would also appeal though (I like to look after my cars but I don't like spending whole weekends cleaning them)

I would suggest you invest in a good wax that is durable and specific to your car colour, something like Collinite 476 or 845 and once this is on your paintwork then every time you wash the car you can just invest in some Megs Ultimate Quik Detailer which takes minutes to apply to keep the protection topped up..........

I would suggest you invest in a good wax that is durable and specific to your car colour, something like Collinite 476 or 845 and once this is on your paintwork then every time you wash the car you can just invest in some Megs Ultimate Quik Detailer which takes minutes to apply to keep the protection topped up..........

Swisvax Mystery wax :D around £250 a pot last time I looked, I won a pot once & have to admit it was the Mutts Nuts & lasted for ages even though I wasnt particularly sparing with it

Swisvax Mystery wax :D around £250 a pot last time I looked, I won a pot once & have to admit it was the Mutts Nuts & lasted for ages even though I wasnt particularly sparing with it

I think the key words there mate are that you 'won' a pot............expensive stuff!!

Would you be able to recommend something?

As above, see post 4

Steve

I'd say use an all in one such as klasse AIO and then use two coats of collinite 476 on top of that. You can then top the wax up every few months if you wish, but that alone should last you 6-9 months.

Just do the whole process a couple of times a year and the jobs done.

Not a fan of the Meg UQD myself, but then I've never really been a spray wax fan and that isn't to say it isn't a good product if it's your thing.

Unless i am blind i can't see on any of the posts what colour your car is? If you aren't too fussed about the ultimate wet look finish you will find that a decent wax (like collinite or high def wax) will be much more durable!

General rule of thumb is "The wetter the look, the less durable it will be"

Wet look glazes look wet because they usually are wet, the downside is that they usually don't last as long?

I don't know if Baker has found this at all but i think you can put too much wax on a car?

There really seems to be no point in re-applying wax too often or spreading it on like butter as it (IMHO) will be a complete waste of time & product?

A thin layer applied correctly will look better too, apart from being easier to buff off, you will notice less of a smeary reflection which is caused by too much product?

Am very happy with the durability & shine of my vRS & now i've got it protected to a standard i am happy with i can pretty much do a touchless wash on it all of the time!

Above is just my opinion......

Regards....

Unless i am blind i can't see on any of the posts what colour your car is? If you aren't too fussed about the ultimate wet look finish you will find that a decent wax (like collinite or high def wax) will be much more durable!

General rule of thumb is "The wetter the look, the less durable it will be"

Wet look glazes look wet because they usually are wet, the downside is that they usually don't last as long?

I don't know if Baker has found this at all but i think you can put too much wax on a car?

There really seems to be no point in re-applying wax too often or spreading it on like butter as it (IMHO) will be a complete waste of time & product?

A thin layer applied correctly will look better too, apart from being easier to buff off, you will notice less of a smeary reflection which is caused by too much product?

Am very happy with the durability & shine of my vRS & now i've got it protected to a standard i am happy with i can pretty much do a touchless wash on it all of the time!

Above is just my opinion......

Regards....

Your general rule is I guess just about right but then it comes down to cost as you can get a super durable wet looking finish from some costly products......

Coming back to the colour, you can achieve a deeper wetter finish on darker colours than lighter coloured cars.......

Your spot on about applying too much wax, it's a waste of product and will increase your waxing time but I have found that layering waxes increases durability and the depth of the wet finish and gloss......

Less is more regards wax application I find.

Baker - how are you going about layering? A 'spit polish' approach, or removing and letting it cure a little before the next coat?

Steve

Baker - how are you going about layering? A 'spit polish' approach, or removing and letting it cure a little before the next coat?

Steve

With regards to my own car or 'friends' that I detail?

Either, or both!

Either, or both!

Well as mine has been corrected and protected a long time ago, when it needs a clean I just complete the following (specific to paintwork):

Rinse;

2BM Wash;

Rinse;

Megs Last Touch;

Waffle Weave Drying Towel;

Megs Ultimate Quik Detailer;

If I feel it needs a wax then I will apply that before the MUQD........

On a 'friends' car after having corrected the car I will usually go for the following (specific to paintwork):

Dodo Juice Lime Prime;

Buffing per panel and then leaving for 15-20 mins;

Wax choice number 1 (whatever that may be, colour and durability specific);

Buff off and leave for 20-30 mins;

Wax choice number 2 (whatever that may be, colour and durability specific);

Buff off and leave for 20-30 mins;

Then usually some Zaino Z8 or MUQD dependant on the car;

Was that what you wanted to know?

(Might have strayed off topic now..........)

Thanks. When detailing I adhere pretty much to your process for the 'friend' car.

Was just pondering when the next detail comes round leaving wax 1 on there, applying lubricant (QD or similar) then layering wax 2 on etc. - or the 'spit polish' method as it seems to be known as...

Cheers,

Steve

Thanks. When detailing I adhere pretty much to your process for the 'friend' car.

Was just pondering when the next detail comes round leaving wax 1 on there, applying lubricant (QD or similar) then layering wax 2 on etc. - or the 'spit polish' method as it seems to be known as...

Cheers,

Steve

Well I would say you need to try these things Steve, it's the only way you will find out what the results and finish will be like, I try to change and experiment on most cars if I can..........

I'd say use an all in one such as klasse AIO and then use two coats of collinite 476 on top of that. You can then top the wax up every few months if you wish, but that alone should last you 6-9 months.

Just do the whole process a couple of times a year and the jobs done.

Not a fan of the Meg UQD myself, but then I've never really been a spray wax fan and that isn't to say it isn't a good product if it's your thing.

How about using Klasse AIO and then using Klasse SG on top? How much benefit will the extra SG give? Given the car is only 10 months/7k old, maybe I could get away with skipping the AIO and just using SG?

One issue though with just using SG is that my shampoo has a small amount of wax built in. So if I applied SG without using AIO first, I'd be applying SG ontop of my Turtle Wax "Wash and Wax" :confused:

My goal as stated before is paint protection and ease of use; shine is nowhere near as important to me!

I wouldn't skip the AIO.

I have not tried the sealant glaze myself as I like the look from a wax and colli lasts for ages too, however that should work just fine.