Cheers!

I can see the so-called advantages, even had the "excitment" of that sudden rush of power. I then got annoyed that the power last such a short time. That's why I found it boring. I love revving a car, and when the engine stops plays at 4,000 when most N/A petrol engines are just getting going it really annoyed me. Diesels are just a bit too on/off for my liking.

This is such a sexual post!!! lol

:no:

Diesel is like premature ejaculation, straight in, bang with power, then you gotta change up.

You're bragging about all your power being over in a split second.

I really don't get it!

Babs, i had a PD 130 modded to 220bhp. Yes it was like premature ejaculation, bang with power etc etc but it still beat 1.8 T's remapped all day long that have wider power bands blah blah blah. I found my 220 diesel far from boring :p

Look what you're driving now

Innuendo aside, diesel gives you a kick in the pants that a petrol can't - certainly not at this level of engine anyways.

I had a BMW 330d that was remapped to 245Bhp and that was amazing - 0-60 was a touch under 6 seconds and I intend to get the vRS to the same (or similar) level. When petrols do it, it does feel quick but not the same. My brother has a Porsche Boxter and whilst quick, its just not got that extra 'welly' that you can get from a diesel!

But when you check the speedo...

But when you check the speedo...

You get there just as fast as the petrol

the diesel vRS is 100% not better to drive than the petrol.

its definately not faster, its just that mnassive peak torque thatyou have for about 1500rpm makes it feel like it is. give me a smoother progressive flow of torque any day.

oh and find me a review where a magaine has said the diesel GT TDI or vRS is better to drive than the petrol GTI/vRS. you wont because they all say the TFSI is more involving. the amount of praise this engine gets from motoring journalists etc is phenominal.

plus its way more tunable, sounds way better,

Before i purchased mine, i trialed both the vRS diesel, and the TFSI(in a GTI) and did not like the diesel. if you are out of the power band in the diesel it does nothing then theres oodles of torque then nothing. really didnt like it. the TFSI never feels like that IMO. the only plus point for the diesel is fuel economy for me.

Ii will be buying a second car soon, and that will be a diesel, but just a run of the mill one. As i dont like them in sportscars/hot hatches.

and comparing them to diesel engines is pointless. the BMW engines are way better than the PD/CR engines.

"the diesel vRS is 100% not better to drive than the petrol"

"I will be buying a second car soon, and that will be a diesel"

"its definately not faster, its just that mnassive peak torque thatyou have for about 1500rpm makes it feel like it is"

Well that makes 2 that like petrol cars. At least Babs has an ally now

I can't quite understand why your 'new to be' 2nd car is going to be a diesel though as "it's definitely not faster" and "is 100% not better"

Have the courage of your convictions and get yourself another petrol car - you know you want to really!

im going to have to add my two pence worth, diesels sound like tractors END OF!!!! even the new cr still sounds noisy, i like petrols!!!

im going to have to add my two pence worth, diesels sound like tractors END OF!!!! even the new cr still sounds noisy, i like petrols!!!

Admittedly a Diesel is louder and more clattery idle but when your on the move you notice very little difference in noise, obviously there is some but I dont think its an unpleasant sound.

In my opinion push comes to shove what does it matter which feels quicker, I have a 2002 Volvo V70 T5 (250Bhp) and yes without a doubt its quicker than my diesel VRS (generalisation here obviously engine is much bigger in Volvo etc) but the VRS feels much quicker and for me is more a thrill the power comes in huge wrecking ball lumps which makes it great for overtaking. Stay in the golden rev range and the Diesel VRS is definately still quick and nobody can deny that!

Look what you're driving now

I thought a change would be good, i love the 2.0 T and it's easier to tune than a diesel but i loved my old PD diesel too. it definately wasn't boring, it was genuinely fast.

the anti diesel thing is funny, it been a while since ive been on this forum but still makes me wonder. there are obviously places for both the diesel and petrol, they wouldnt sell both otherwise! we should enjoy our own cars and advise the good points and bad point of what we have, then let the buy make up their own mine on the information given. not force our own opinions of what is better on other people.

if petrol was really that obviously the best car wouldnt we ll have them??? and diesel, if it was the hero of the hour would they build a petrol? each to their own thats what its all about

You could go round and round for hours - a few peeps like petrol, but more are turning to diesel because when push comes to shove, it is generally a better car with better residual values and the plus points far outweigh the negatives. The same car but a petrol vRS would have cost me about £1,500 less - what does that tell you?

The odd motoring journalist is hardly going to be the telling sign for what is good and what isn't - you test drive them yourself and make your own mind up. It is all about personal choice! I could have had the petrol but its not as good on fuel - in real world conditions, less than a second to 60, you will never notice - doesn't have that kick in the pants from the torque - engines don't last as long (fact) - are lower tax band - are cheaper insurance - more reliable.

OK so to some people they don't like the sound of a diesel - does it matter? Only if you are bothered by it. It revs far sooner than a petrol, but you adapt your driving style and as such, you put a petrol and diesel next to each other at the lights and by the time you get to 60, it isn't like you will be far in front - maybe a car length? Probably not though.

Personal choice is what it is down to and what fits the bill for the individual. Some just don't like them and bang on about petrol is better than diesel for no other reason than they don't like them.

Discussions are fun!

I created a spreadsheet on this that would present data to the user based on their circumstances, think it was lost when the site was hacked.

I'll put it online for you to take a look if it helps.

Owned both a TFSI and TDI (PD) VRS... the TFSI was streets ahead.

TFSI had plenty of low down grunt (you could drive it as you would a derv, if you so wished, and still make rapid progress), and is a far better engine than the PD TDI IMO.

In terms of fuel economy I got 35mpg from the TFSI (better than I thought) and I get 42mpg from the TDI (worse than I expected). However, that 35mpg was achieved by running the car on V-Power (alot of people seem to forget to factor the extra cost of super in when budgeting).

If I was doing 9k miles per year, I know which one I'd go for..... However, from what I gather the new CR TDI seems to have corrected alot of the wrongs of the PD TDI.

Just test drive both and go with what suits your needs best, at the end of the day both have their advantages.

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Edited 5 January, 201016 yr by Dodgy

As I said a number of time - all about personal choice

I do around 15k per year and a fair bit is town driving - petrol isn't the car for me

I have also owned both, a PD not CR diesel, and a new FL TSI. Both remapped and the petrol is streets ahead in every department.

Well that makes 2 that like petrol cars. At least Babs has an ally now

I can't quite understand why your 'new to be' 2nd car is going to be a diesel though as "it's definitely not faster" and "is 100% not better"

Have the courage of your convictions and get yourself another petrol car - you know you want to really!

The new to be second car will before the wife and will also be a nice big diesel estate, so not really there for my use, certainly it wont be used as a back road blaster, as thats what mine is for.

I currently have a Focus ST tuned to 270hp. It is very very quick. I've had lots of fun with it especially a trip to the Nurburgring in 2008.

Most of my miles however are a steady speed motorway commute of 50 miles round trip.

From discussions on the Focus ST owners club forum, fuel consumption threads come up every week and my figures of between 30 and 32 mpg is exceptionally good. Even so as fuel prices keep going up the yearly fuel bill becomes a greater concern to me.

So the main reason for me changing to a diesel is fuel cost, with my mileage I estimate I will save £800 a year on fuel alone with smaller savings on insurance and road fund licence. This makes an assumption I will get 50mpg from my new VRS CR170. I also fancied a change to an automatic.

I've enjoyed my ownership with my ST for over 3 years but find I use the performance of the car less than I used to so to go to a lesser performance I do not think will worry me.

Whereas with the Golf GTi/Octavis vRS there has been for while many more options than the Focus ST such as petrol/diesel, manual/auto and hatch/estate, this produces discussion of which ones best.

As someone said previously its down to individual choice, I am not vociferously in the diesel camp or the petrol camp.

Circumstances change and for a performance car I would not have considered a diesel 4 years ago when I was shopping around for the ST. Now cost of running a car has assumed more importance for me.

BMW was mentioned as being better than the VAG diesels, possibly but they are horrendously expensive IMO.

I ended up with a vRS partly because of value for money.

To all those car enthusiasts who go down the petrol route, good luck to you and enjoy your car.

To all those car enthusiasts who go down the diesel route, good luck to you and enjoy your car.

Edited 4 January, 201016 yr by PowerMalc

The Octavia vRS is a car where the dlesel (CR at any rate) v. petrol argument is more finely balanced than most - certainly not an example where it's appropriate for one 'side' to say the other is rubbish. ('Babs' I presume to have been named after the monstrous (petrol) behemoth in which Parry Thomas set land speed records in the 1920s.....)

I'm delighted with my CR diesel vRS, but there's a bit of me that would have liked the petrol, as the TFSI engine is a lovely one, with bags of performance all the way up the rev range, While I'm still doing a highish mileage I'll be glad of the diesel's economy and long range, and little if any loss of performance in normal driving compared with the petrol. But if my annual mileage goes down my next one might well be the TFSI.....

Edited 4 January, 201016 yr by Zdenek Fibich

I'm another one who's not in either the petrol or diesel camp.

I switched to a diesel (Ibiza FR TDi) from a petrol (MG ZR) 5 years ago, a) because I was doing high mileage so to save money and b ) the ZR's roof started leaking after 9 months from new....

5 years on, I still find the Ibiza fun to drive, and still the diesel kick gets me every time.

So when I came to looking at the vRS I naturally started looking into the diesel even though my mileage is less than half what it used to be (8K now). Then I found out about the whole DPF issue, so took a petrol vRS for a test drive. I would have either - preferred the way the petrol drove personally, but probably would have gone for the diesel had it not been for the DPF as I know I wouldn't be on MPG-watch with it!

I am really looking forward to switching back to petrol though - so quiet, makes me realise how noisy my Ibiza is (PD engine)! Though I will miss being able to empty a cloud of soot on tailgaters

Edited 4 January, 201016 yr by SlimAdy

Dan_the_v8man shpould be pretty well placed to do a comparison. he has had a petrol TFSI vRS @standard and stage 1 tune, passat CR TDI @ standardand stage 1 tune, and is now back to the TFSI with a quattro A4.

So comparisons of tuned and standard TFSI and TDI, thatshould helpyou choose

Jesus Christ guys! Don't leave me battling on my own for so long, damnit!

Diesel has it's place. But in a genuine performance car... nah. Just doesn't cut it in every area that a performance car needs to excel in.

Call me old fashioned or maybe... elistist... but I sometimes measure performance cars on their lack of economy; their lack of being sensible!

My Golf - and the Octavia before it - provide me with excitemnet. They provide more than a simple A-B car, more than a mode of transportation.

I am an born and bred petrolhead and while - as motorists - we'll all being plotted against by ecomentalists under the false guise of "climate change" (that's another issue...), so I realise that our days are numbered. I'm trying to make the most of it while I still can.