I have an iPhone 3G 16gb and also a SE Xperia X10. To put it bluntly, I wish I hadn't got the Xperia, its poo.

Many at androidforums.com that have been torn between the X10 and the desire that opted for the X10 have said similar. Junked the X 10 and got the desire and been happy.

Sony must have really messed with the OS, which considering the spec, should be better than the Desire!

http://www.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/sony-ericsson-xperia-x10-679702/review

Wow... so alot of Android lovers in here! And thats not a bad thing at all, im all behind the platform for most of the reasons that have been mentioned above.

I have to say I like the android phones but after using the hero for a week I still liked my iPhone more, It felt more refined and put together. Also I have 2 iPod classics (one for stereo, one for car) so itunes has everything in one placee for me.

Im looking forward to Apple OS 4 to see if it affects the 3GS's performance.

I simply turn off the Data link (3G) by using the widget that came with the phone. No data, no sync, no excess battery waste. The only thing I miss is the weather widget doesn’t update.

use a basic phone myself , but 13 year old grandson persuaded me he wanted a HTC , AS WE ARE ON 3 AND HE GETS FREE 3 TO 3 unlimited internet , a decent camera , lots of music and likes the Apps , not saying a techie recomendation but his mates think its the best ever , his mum , thought it was too good and wanted it for herself . managed to get 1 on 3 for £22 18 month contract 900 minutes and texts with the unlimited internet and unlimited 3 to 3 minutes . . NOW all he wants is an increase to pocket money , no chance i said . !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll stick with the iphone for the forseeable future.

Apple are their own worst enemy, overpriced, restrictive, etc etc, but it is a quality product.

I keep playing with Android phones, they aren't bad, but they still feel like a cheap knock off to me. They want to be the iPhone soo bad.

Im still worried Android is going to suffer the fate of windows/linux. Soo many different versions/configurations, that getting any applications for it, will be a compatibility nightmare.

I'll stick with the iphone for the forseeable future.

Apple are their own worst enemy, overpriced, restrictive, etc etc, but it is a quality product.

I keep playing with Android phones, they aren't bad, but they still feel like a cheap knock off to me. They want to be the iPhone soo bad.

Im still worried Android is going to suffer the fate of windows/linux. Soo many different versions/configurations, that getting any applications for it, will be a compatibility nightmare.

Very true, Stuff mag said the exact same thing.

Had my Desire since 3rd April, it's awesome. It was between this and the iPhone and i'm sorry but it's miles ahead.

I put it down to either sticking with what everyone else has....a 3 year old piece of technology with slight improvements in the OS along the way OR getting something that is miles ahead, new and fresh in terms of technology. It supports flash video in web browsing, i wanted a "laptop" in my pocket and i can do most things with this. It's also very open compared to the iPhones "idiot" proof OS directly out of the box.

I expect the new iPhone in June will have an AMOLED screen and maybe a 1Ghz processor and maybe even 512mb RAM but remember.....it'll be "just like the HTC" when you are told

Im still worried Android is going to suffer the fate of windows/linux. Soo many different versions/configurations, that getting any applications for it, will be a compatibility nightmare.

Which is what Google is addressing in v2.2

There will be a unified base that's vanilla, and piped out directly via google updates. The manufacturers can then overlay their interfaces over the top, as a separate update.

Wow. Android has really come out top in this little poll!

I am definitely a fully fledged Android-ite after 18 months of G1 owner ship and now the beautiful Desire in my hand!

Phil

Wow. Android has really come out top in this little poll!

Hardly a supprise.

If Apple didnt charge such a huge premium on all their products, then i'd wager the outcome would be a lot different.

But they do, so it didn't.

But they do, so it didn't.

But does that mean you are buying it cos its the superior product or because its a cheeper alternative?

Me personally?

I bought Android because I felt it superior for my needs.

FWIW (as a professional geek / nerd in the tech industry) I think Apple are treading a path with App Store which Microsoft started down with IE some years ago. It is closed, proprietary, negates freedom of speech, excludes competition and, in essence I believe they tried to establish a monopoly, much like the one they are still trying to establish with iTunes.

Luckily the barrier to entry in terms of writing an App (be it for Android or iPhone) seems to be fairly low (witness fart apps / sound boards).

Not sure if this has been mentioned but in the iPhones defence (and for those who claim to be tech minded) try syncing any Android device against an Exchange server that only allows provisionable devices (ones that can conform to security settings that you turn on), the main one being the need for a pin number and you'll find they wont connect. Even the iPhone 3G doesn't support encryption, only the 3GS/. I need to have email etc syncing with work (and they've enforced some security - rightly so to be honest) and Android wouldn't support any of it. Means it's useless for a lot of business users where their organisation has enabled Exchange security on mobile devices.

Android is very clever but until they sort that rather large hole out they're keeping an awful lot of business users firmly in the arms of Apple/ RIM (ugh) and WinMo (again ugh).

Arrrrgg!

I am really really thinking about going out and splurging on a Desire today...

I have a piephone 3gs at the moment.. i like it, it does everything i want, and ive spent a friggin fortune on apps for it (ie satnav) but im a technology tart!

Whats the deal with email and contact lists, can they be kept separate from multiple sources?. can exchange sync support push of multiple folders?

whats the music player like?

Not sure if this has been mentioned but in the iPhones defence (and for those who claim to be tech minded) try syncing any Android device against an Exchange server that only allows provisionable devices (ones that can conform to security settings that you turn on), the main one being the need for a pin number and you'll find they wont connect. Even the iPhone 3G doesn't support encryption, only the 3GS/. I need to have email etc syncing with work (and they've enforced some security - rightly so to be honest) and Android wouldn't support any of it. Means it's useless for a lot of business users where their organisation has enabled Exchange security on mobile devices.

Android is very clever but until they sort that rather large hole out they're keeping an awful lot of business users firmly in the arms of Apple/ RIM (ugh) and WinMo (again ugh).

Android can support encrypted connections you just need to enable SSL in the android exchange client, and exchange will support it if they allow non-provisionable devices in their EASP (which gets around glitches)

Ooops, just bought a desire

Not sure if this has been mentioned but in the iPhones defence (and for those who claim to be tech minded) try syncing any Android device against an Exchange server that only allows provisionable devices (ones that can conform to security settings that you turn on), the main one being the need for a pin number and you'll find they wont connect. Even the iPhone 3G doesn't support encryption, only the 3GS/. I need to have email etc syncing with work (and they've enforced some security - rightly so to be honest) and Android wouldn't support any of it. Means it's useless for a lot of business users where their organisation has enabled Exchange security on mobile devices.Android is very clever but until they sort that rather large hole out they're keeping an awful lot of business users firmly in the arms of Apple/ RIM (ugh) and WinMo (again ugh).

Natively support in 2.1 isnt the best.

BUT, there are some great apps such as K9 which handle exchange and pin numbers easily.

It also only syncs the inbox... and not other folders

Iphone 1 - Android 0

It also only syncs the inbox... and not other folders

Iphone 1 - Android 0

As I say, try K9 app

Android can support encrypted connections you just need to enable SSL in the android exchange client, and exchange will support it if they allow non-provisionable devices in their EASP (which gets around glitches)

I'm not referring to the encryption on the ActiveSync connections over HTTPS, it's encrypting the phone itself which cannot be done on Android. Can they do remote wipe? Not sure on that one. Uncheck the box so non-provisionable devices are denied and even with only a PIN number needed Android doesn't support that natively so cannot connect, and PINS are the most basic and fundamental requirement. Those settings are at global Exchange level so they'd need to allow non provisionable devices everywhere just for the sake of Android.....if the number of people with Android is low (which is what I'd expect) then they ain't gonna do that. They'll ask why you can't have a proper phone for business use like a Blackberry, WinMo, E Series Nokia or iPhone which doesn't involve changing global Exchange configs just for a personal phone preference - well, our security guys would anyway as you're carrying round company data on a mobile device therefore it needs to be secured to some degree. And if you're the Exchange admin, turning that off just so you can use a device that does not conform to security checks isn't the best of practices.

With K9, does that mean Exchange will allow it to connect with pin numbers enforced etc? How about the other policies? Think there's about 29 or something and WinMo probably supports the most.

Be interesting to see what OS4 brings next month on the iPhone as they're revamping the email client a bit. So far email wise I'm fairly impressed with the iPhone....apart from the lack of notes syncing over ActiveSync (coming in OS4) it's pretty good. The ability to mark all as read or delete all ould be nice with the volume of mail I get but that's nit picking. WinMo does all those things but the interface is so clunky it makes it feel pointless, even with a HTC Sense/ TouchFlo skin which only hides so much.

I agree now ive had chance to play with it that the Exchange support is the Androids weak point.. as ive read the default android activesync only does email, and its not push.. however on the desire, the HTC mail client adds push support for inbox only and calendar sync.. it also has peak/offpeak schedules which was my big gripe about the piephone and a killer of battery life.. now ive got my desire set up to not bother syncing while im in the office the battery will outlast the iphones.

There are remote wipe features on android but no use if its not linked into exchange.

I wouldnt be suprised if theres better support for exchange in the next android (froyo) which is officially announced later this month.

I was sooo close to getting an Xperia X10, or a Nexus One (wanted the camera of the X10 but the v2.0-iness of the Nexus One) but as soon as I found out about the email thing I had to think again - I was involved in building the Exchange 2007 environment at work and was aware of the security settings they wanted so knew straight away ActiveSync wasn't gonna work. :(

As it happens I'm quite happy with my 3GS but would have preferred Android by far. Apple have locked down the iPhone waaay too much and the lack of 'adjustability' is infuriating sometimes. Also the GPS doesn't work for turn by turn navigation well enough and the camera is only so so. The app store is brilliant though and the email client is very good.

If they do sort out the Exchange security stuff I'll be buying an Android phone for sure once I'm sick of the iPhone but email sync etc is essential for me so I have to stay put for now. Had plenty of WinMo and Symbian phones over the years and they've all been garbage to be honest - the OS's feel so 90's whereas Android is a breath of fresh air in comparison.

There are a number of exchange apps on Android that do what you need Chrispy.

Plenty on http://androidforums.com manage to use exchange, and a number are responsible for IT security. Perhaps asking there may answer your issues

I'm not referring to the encryption on the ActiveSync connections over HTTPS, it's encrypting the phone itself which cannot be done on Android. Can they do remote wipe? Not sure on that one. Uncheck the box so non-provisionable devices are denied and even with only a PIN number needed Android doesn't support that natively so cannot connect, and PINS are the most basic and fundamental requirement. Those settings are at global Exchange level so they'd need to allow non provisionable devices everywhere just for the sake of Android.....if the number of people with Android is low (which is what I'd expect) then they ain't gonna do that. They'll ask why you can't have a proper phone for business use like a Blackberry, WinMo, E Series Nokia or iPhone which doesn't involve changing global Exchange configs just for a personal phone preference - well, our security guys would anyway as you're carrying round company data on a mobile device therefore it needs to be secured to some degree. And if you're the Exchange admin, turning that off just so you can use a device that does not conform to security checks isn't the best of practices.

With K9, does that mean Exchange will allow it to connect with pin numbers enforced etc? How about the other policies? Think there's about 29 or something and WinMo probably supports the most.

Be interesting to see what OS4 brings next month on the iPhone as they're revamping the email client a bit. So far email wise I'm fairly impressed with the iPhone....apart from the lack of notes syncing over ActiveSync (coming in OS4) it's pretty good. The ability to mark all as read or delete all ould be nice with the volume of mail I get but that's nit picking. WinMo does all those things but the interface is so clunky it makes it feel pointless, even with a HTC Sense/ TouchFlo skin which only hides so much.

It's not Global exchange settings though is it, all you would need is an Activesync policy for the Android users separate to the policy that's used for the other users, that's a doddle for any exchange admin. K9 works really well, and I have my Desire syncing mail and calendar from Exchange 2007 and my Dev 2010 server (with the native HTC Client), with local encryption and remote wipe. Agreed though it's not as straight forward as it could be, but it can be achieved, it just depends how far you want to push it or how far into the market place you want to dig for apps. Wavesecure can handle remote tracking / wiping / security but they don't as far as I know do enterprise licensing.

Edited 16 May, 201016 yr by fluffmeister