I have decided to go for a new Vrs but can't decide on which engine and gearbox to go for. I currently drive a diesel Mondeo St but find the power band very narrow and find it difficult to drive smoothly, I find myself in the wrong gear for swift driving in to and away from roundabouts etc (no Im not a boy racer) I fancy the 2.0T FSI DSG. What are the real world MPG figures for this engine fitted with the DSG box. If i go the diesel route does the DSG gearbox suit a diesel engine.

one final question is about which one would be the best bet from a re sale point of view.

Thanks

Andy

What is your annual mileage?

The CR VRS is much smoother than the older PD version and has a wider power band so much easier to drive smoothly (never driven a ST TDi to compare). The DSG does work well with the TDI engine but then is also good with the petrol version too (although I did not like the DSG and prefered the manual).

I would test drive both and see which you prefer. Asking on hear will give you a polarised view with people saying the diesel is the best and then others saying the petrol is best. Both sides will be adament that their view is correct and the other side is wrong. This can mean you get no real guide one way or the other.

By driving both you can decide for yourself.

What is your annual mileage?

The CR VRS is much smoother than the older PD version and has a wider power band so much easier to drive smoothly (never driven a ST TDi to compare). The DSG does work well with the TDI engine but then is also good with the petrol version too (although I did not like the DSG and prefered the manual).

I would test drive both and see which you prefer. Asking on hear will give you a polarised view with people saying the diesel is the best and then others saying the petrol is best. Both sides will be adament that their view is correct and the other side is wrong. This can mean you get no real guide one way or the other.

By driving both you can decide for yourself.

Thanks for the reply, I do around 12-15K miles a year, just after some real world MPG figures as i find the ones quoted in the brochures are always way off

Just come back from Devon, 267 miles, mainly motorway with usual hold-ups on the M5, two adults, two children, luggage loaded up to cover - 43.2 mpg

That's on a CR DSG with a Shark Performance remap

DSG comes into it's own in stop/start driving - add that to cruise control and it's absolutely effortless

I've got the CR TDi vRS at the moment and previously had the TFSi vRS. I can safely say I prefered the TFSi, it's quicker through the gears and more suited to spirited driving. I have had my CR remapped and it does make a huge difference and has made it far more enjoyable to drive but I would still prefer the petrol. The new TSI engine is very economical so you'd need to be doing serious mileage to make the diesel more cost effective. It really depends what kind of driver you are so I suggest drive both before deciding.

On the CR I am currently getting an average of 45mpg although I regularly see it up around the 50mpg. The car is only a month old and driven 1k miles so expect this ecomony to increase as the car runs in further.

People with the petrol version state around 35mpg average with up to 40 on a run. I am not sure I would achieve these figures with a petrol as I only just achieved close to these with my old 1.8T VRS!!!!

just averaged 50mpg on a tank.

trip to devon and back included, full boot, etc. (it did 57mpg on those two trips)

only 1600 miles on clock.

My first two fill ups in the CRi have been 53mpg and 52 mpg ( brim to brim, computer recording approx 3mpg higher), thats mainly made up of a 46 mile roundtrip to work ( rural roads) with approx 60 odd miles of town driving. My previous TFSi was doing approx 35mpg ( brim to brim)on the same driving profile after it had 20,000 miles under its belt. For what its worth though the petrol is the nicer drive.

Edited 16 August, 201015 yr by stokey

It's going to be hard for you to go down the petrol route after a diesel

I'm a bit of a petrol head and have always believe if you want a hot hatch why would you get a diesel? but the CR has impressive figures, performance and economy.

I had a 2.0T VRS MK2 and test drove a CR FL and then ordered the FL 2.0TSI............ say no more

Petrol and diesel owners will defend their choice of engine until their blue in the face so as already suggested you need to suck it and see.

I test drove the diesel and the petrol and have ordered the petrol...... but i have to say i am a big petrol head and although i think a diesel will save me about 300 quid a year i just thought the petrol was a slightly nicer drive.

Afraid i cant really comment on DSG, i only had a very quick test drive within a few mins i asked to go back and try the manual, it just wasnt my thing.

I drove the DSG and to be honest to drive its just a very good automatic gearbox (which is what it is). I can't imagine many people faff around with the flappy paddles. I was tempted but in the end I went for a manual and saved the £s

I can offer some good advice as 3 months ago i sold my 06 plate Mondeo ST TDCI in favour of an Octavia.

I too do 12-15k a year milage, with the majority being a 25mile commute to work and back across Bradford city centre.

I was getting about 35 MPG from the Mondeo and I am getting about 33MPG from the Octavia.

I chose not to go for the VRS as I wanted to get away from the firm ride that the Mondeo (and the VRS) had and has. I settled on the 1.8TSI DSG as it is actually a quicker (0-60) car than the diesel VRS and without the horrendous rattling diesel engines that VAG are churning out at the moment.

The ride, build and handling are better than the Mondeo and the engine is so quiet you barely hear it. The Mondeo's torque is only really missed when overtaking at speed (say overtaking a 50mph car) but this is the only drawback i found.

I love the new car, i loved the old car but to me the New Octavia wins hands down. Just dont go blindly into a VRS purchase, the 1.8 TSI really are a rival for them and are a little less money too.

I can offer some good advice as 3 months ago i sold my 06 plate Mondeo ST TDCI in favour of an Octavia.

I too do 12-15k a year milage, with the majority being a 25mile commute to work and back across Bradford city centre.

I was getting about 35 MPG from the Mondeo and I am getting about 33MPG from the Octavia.

I chose not to go for the VRS as I wanted to get away from the firm ride that the Mondeo (and the VRS) had and has. I settled on the 1.8TSI DSG as it is actually a quicker (0-60) car than the diesel VRS and without the horrendous rattling diesel engines that VAG are churning out at the moment.

The ride, build and handling are better than the Mondeo and the engine is so quiet you barely hear it. The Mondeo's torque is only really missed when overtaking at speed (say overtaking a 50mph car) but this is the only drawback i found.

I love the new car, i loved the old car but to me the New Octavia wins hands down. Just dont go blindly into a VRS purchase, the 1.8 TSI really are a rival for them and are a little less money too.

Rattling Diesel engines? My mate thought mine was a petrol until he saw the rev counter only went to 5k! I get around 47mpg and would give your 1.8TSI a run for its money. Cost doesn't really come into it as the diesel is around £700 more but you get higher resale and less tax to pay.

Rattling Diesel engines? My mate thought mine was a petrol until he saw the rev counter only went to 5k! I get around 47mpg and would give your 1.8TSI a run for its money. Cost doesn't really come into it as the diesel is around £700 more but you get higher resale and less tax to pay.

Agreed I thought it was just the PD that was bad, and that since VW started making CR like everyone else they are good?

The CR is much quieter than the PD I can vouch for that, the GF had the PD in he last A3 and now has the CR and its loads better. It was a big concern as we were going for the A3 convertible and I tried to steer her down the petrol route but the sales guy assured us the new CR was so much quieter.

Still louder than my 2.0TSI though.....

Rattling Diesel engines? My mate thought mine was a petrol until he saw the rev counter only went to 5k! I get around 47mpg and would give your 1.8TSI a run for its money. Cost doesn't really come into it as the diesel is around £700 more but you get higher resale and less tax to pay.

Try comparing it to the lastest breed of French HDI engines and the the Toyota Diesels. Unfortunatly it was the noise of the VAG diesels that put me off.

I agree your VRS would give my TSI a run for its money. My post did not say otherwise. I was merely pointing out that in a straight line on a flat mine wil go quicker 0-60 than yours!! Round a circuit your would win hands down im sure!

I was merely pointing out that in a straight line on a flat mine wil go quicker 0-60 than yours!!

A massive 0.6 seconds, according to official figures

Unless your CR has been remapped, of course

Edited 16 August, 201015 yr by Brimma

Try comparing it to the lastest breed of French HDI engines and the the Toyota Diesels. Unfortunatly it was the noise of the VAG diesels that put me off.

I agree your VRS would give my TSI a run for its money. My post did not say otherwise. I was merely pointing out that in a straight line on a flat mine wil go quicker 0-60 than yours!! Round a circuit your would win hands down im sure!

Lol - French diesels - no thanks. I've also tried a D4D in multiple engine sizes and they are awful - totally gutless.

I have decided to go for a new Vrs but can't decide on which engine and gearbox to go for. I currently drive a diesel Mondeo St but find the power band very narrow and find it difficult to drive smoothly, I find myself in the wrong gear for swift driving in to and away from roundabouts etc (no Im not a boy racer) I fancy the 2.0T FSI DSG. What are the real world MPG figures for this engine fitted with the DSG box. If i go the diesel route does the DSG gearbox suit a diesel engine.

one final question is about which one would be the best bet from a re sale point of view.

Thanks

Andy

We have a petrol TSI VRS and get low 40s mpg on the run but only 25-30 mpg round town and short runs.

Dieself you will get around 50 mpgs but it is way slower than current VRS, old VRS and 1.8 TSI which is what I have ordered and a good comprimise I reckon.

Now petrols have direct injection etc the difference in fuel consumption has narrowed to about 10% so unless you live somewhere where diesel is much cheaper than petrol I do not see the point in the UK IMHO.

I have ordered my 1.8 TSI with VRS boot spoiler and I can have the 7 speed DSG which I cannot have on the VRSs!

We have a petrol TSI VRS and get low 40s mpg on the run but only 25-30 mpg round town and short runs.

Dieself you will get around 50 mpgs but it is way slower than current VRS, old VRS and 1.8 TSI which is what I have ordered and a good comprimise I reckon.

Now petrols have direct injection etc the difference in fuel consumption has narrowed to about 10% so unless you live somewhere where diesel is much cheaper than petrol I do not see the point in the UK IMHO.

I have ordered my 1.8 TSI with VRS boot spoiler and I can have the 7 speed DSG which I cannot have on the VRSs!

I'm not convinced I'd call half a second in the 0-60 time and same top speed way slower... (7.8 vs 8.3 for 0.60 1.8TSI DSG vs 170CR DSG) and I'd be amazed if there's much in the in gear times either as although there's only 6 speeds on the CR, there is more torque... Which is incidentally why the vRS has the 6 speed box, the 7 speed isn't rated to handle the torque of the vRS models (petrol or diesel)

With regards to the fuel consumption, I agree, petrol has closed the gap to diesel, but my CR 170 averages around 48mpg at a steady 80mph (real not indicated) and about 40mpg round town... I don't see that happening on the 1.8TSi

Yes, the TSi engines are bloody good, but for economy, they're still not up with a diesel although I wouldn't be surprised if the next generation of engines close the gap enough to get me back into a petrol car as diesels are being strangled more and more for emissions target and petrols are cleaner running so don't need as much strangulation... I'm afraid, that it still makes sense, when driving 30000 miles a year or so, to have the diesel

Here's hoping I afford to run a petrol car again soon

I test drove both at length. Much prefered the petrol. Smoother, quicker and much more responsive to small throttle openings around town.

Can also get over 40 mpg on a run if I'm careful.

We have a petrol TSI VRS and get low 40s mpg on the run but only 25-30 mpg round town and short runs.

Dieself you will get around 50 mpgs but it is way slower than current VRS, old VRS and 1.8 TSI which is what I have ordered and a good comprimise I reckon.

Now petrols have direct injection etc the difference in fuel consumption has narrowed to about 10% so unless you live somewhere where diesel is much cheaper than petrol I do not see the point in the UK IMHO.

I have ordered my 1.8 TSI with VRS boot spoiler and I can have the 7 speed DSG which I cannot have on the VRSs!

Thanks for all the replies, I have arranged a drive in a 160bhp DSG Octavia as they don't have a 200BHP car available, am thinking more along the manual route at present but will see how the test drive goes

Thanks for all the replies, I have arranged a drive in a 160bhp DSG Octavia as they don't have a 200BHP car available, am thinking more along the manual route at present but will see how the test drive goes

I will be taunting the wife to do standing start acceleration with her in her TSI VRS and me in my 1.8 TSI DSG and I bet it will be close. Despite 20% less power the 1.8TSI is only 8% slower, unlike the VRS diesel which is 15% slower than the petrol VRS to 100 kph. Some say the 1.8 TSI is under quoted for power. It now uses the same EA888 engine as the petrol VRS, just a shorter stroke which should make it very strong. Power spread from 1500 to 6200 rpm is awesome peice of engineering and with over 50 mpg on the run giving 600 mile tank range. Mind you had the VRS TSI up to 570 miles distance travelled on tank plus tank range left so may see 640 miles on the 1.8 TSI!

Edited 16 August, 201015 yr by lol

Rattling Diesel engines? My mate thought mine was a petrol until he saw the rev counter only went to 5k! I get around 47mpg and would give your 1.8TSI a run for its money. Cost doesn't really come into it as the diesel is around £700 more but you get higher resale and less tax to pay.

Aren't there other factors to consider with the cost, such as:

- the diesel needs a cambelt change after 4yrs according to Skoda, the TSI doesn't have a cambelt, so that saves £300- 400

- diesel is more expensive than petrol

- petrol engine seems to be more reliable, DMF's don't seem to fail as much and there's no DPF to cause any problems

- when I've done insurance quotes the petrol is around £30 cheaper per year

At what mileage point does the petrol become more cost effective for low annual mileages, such as less than 5k a year?

Also, is there an option to have 17" wheels on a VRS ?

Edited 16 August, 201015 yr by Ultima

I will be taunting the wife to do standing start acceleration with her in her TSI VRS and me in my 1.8 TSI DSG and I bet it will be close.

"Run like the wind Bullseye"

Edited 16 August, 201015 yr by sarahvrs