Simon told me he would be on holiday until Friday when i spoke to him on Monday , so you should hear from him then

Thanks deecee. He hadnt rung today so I rang them and they said he was back in tomorrow. Pity the lady who originally told me he would ring didnt check first. Nevr mind. Still on a mission!!!

Awesam, I enquired with Celtic tuning about getting the car remapped and the DPF removal done, and they said that DPF removal only increases performance if the unit is very clogged up (if it is the car will be noticably sharper once PDF is removed). Otherwise its only the remap that will increase the performance of the car.

Have you had any further issues with the DPF or have you had it sorted?

Did you contact Skoda Customer Services about the possibiility of a faulty sensor, what did they say?

My light has come on a few times since my last post but a 70+mph spin down the motorway in 5th for 7-10mins has managed to sort it so far. I've noticed that the DPF light tends to come on if I've been out for short spins in the car as oppposed to travelling half hour back and forth to work each day.

Thankfully it was the DPF/EGR sensor, I just went to an Indy and got it done for £106 including a diagnostic and the dpf has regenerated. Skoda Uk wanted me to pick the car up and take to a dealer for diagnostic because they told me they weren't going to accept the report from the Indy because it was not in their format !

Changed you sensor asap as slowly it will get worst, mines was idling at around 1000rpm for week then it went into limp mode, the Indy told me that's its common fault.

Thankfully it was the DPF/EGR sensor, I just went to an Indy and got it done for £106 including a diagnostic and the dpf has regenerated. Skoda Uk wanted me to pick the car up and take to a dealer for diagnostic because they told me they weren't going to accept the report from the Indy because it was not in their format !

Changed you sensor asap as slowly it will get worst, mines was idling at around 1000rpm for week then it went into limp mode, the Indy told me that's its common fault.

Cheers for that Awesam, will give my local indy garage a shout and hopefully they can have a look at it. Might enquire with Skoda in Swansea first though just to see how much it is to get a diagnostic test and sensor changed, just for sh*ts and giggles!

Have you thought anymore about getting the remap and DPF bypass done?

Not getting any luck with Skoda on this one, no one returns my calls !

Lets see what happens Monday.

J

Not getting any luck with Skoda on this one, no one returns my calls !

Lets see what happens Monday.

J

Same here. Simon was meant to call me today, but didn't hear anything.

Now that a 'VOSA Official' has surfaced and put out an 'official' statement perhaps VOSA [or even VAG] could take out a full page statement in the national daily papers. This would make ALL drivers of affected VAG vehicles aware of the situation regarding injector failures and the correct actions to take. I suspect though we will see a confirmed sighting of a UFO first.

I have had the dreaded failure in my Leon FR.

All injectors and wiring loom were replaced with 'modified' parts as I was told, I am not expecting them to fail again personally.

I have had the dreaded failure in my Leon FR.

All injectors and wiring loom were replaced with 'modified' parts as I was told, I am not expecting them to fail again personally.

You can always be certain by asking for part numbers... and as for failure, I hope they don't... my new one did.

On a serious note:

I think we should pick a day and collectively contact Watchdog, it will take 2 minutes of everyone's time, and believe me there are hundreds between the forums and facebook... you won't regret it when it's on TV and VOSA/VAG are forced to answer the questions they're avoiding.

Neither VOSA nor VAG are informing any other owners about this defect, VAG never will. And VOSA is telling forum people to stop sending forms in, instead of reaching out to inform more people. Who are they meant to be serving, I thought they were our government agency, not VAG's secretary.

jfarhead, you should make some simple steps here to organize things. There are a lot of people who have problems and I am sure they will continue to have (the new injectors from my signals are the same as I told above).

You should try (1) to go in press, find here a person who has contacts in UK journalism. (2) You can put a link to Watchdog so that everybody can click and go there directly.

Third step would require that one or two people from here, using this forum and this thread in particular, to begin gather information about VW Passat, Skoda, Audi or Leon owners who had problems with old and new injectors on theri PD 2.0 TDI engine. A lawyer can tell you what you will need to have in order to begin an organized collective lawsuit against VW (to have a simple database with names, contact information, service documents from people affected by this issue). If the new injectors begin to fail again and if you are prepared with the database the action can begin easily. If we find out clearly that the new injectors have the same failure, VW must be taken into court in UK, Romania and other countries where consumers are organized and united into this. It doed not matter that VW are changing these parts for free. The security issues (which are most important, not the financial aspect) are still here.

And (4) people who are reading this thread to subscribe to it with real time alerts on e-mail.

At least, this is what I intend to do in Romania if I will find out clearly that the new injectors are not fixing the problem. My journalist nose tell me they don't, but more sources are still needed to confirm.

Edited 17 September, 201114 yr by geovadim

i've sold hundreds of the new injectors and as yet have never had one fail, granted the majority of the cars wont have done 40/50/60/70 thousand miles yet but there will be some that have and i hope for all your sakes that these new ones have cured the problem once and for all

Same here. Simon was meant to call me today, but didn't hear anything.

Spoke to him on Friday. he was a bit vaque but told me to contact my local dealer to have the car checked. So I rang them and they said they needed to ring Simon and ask for them selves. They had had a bulliten about replacing faulty injectors but were unsure as to what they should do about replacing non faulty ones. When I rang dealer at 3pm they were still waiting for phone call from Simon who promised to return call beford the end of the day (friday). Under a bit of pressure me thinks!

Think you might be right. I don't fancy doing his job anyway.

jerbear, if the new injectors are the same with the old one and will break the same you must gather here and make a general lawsuit against VW. I will try the same in Romania, if I will be sure that the replacement parts are as bad as the ones they change. I think they are joking with us.

Much advancement has been made since 2006. I doubt the same style of injectors would be put back in. This would cost VAG more in changing them again & again. I'm sure they look similar inside, but let us remember, it isn't the inside technology that failed. It was the electrical connections to them, and contained within them, that made a "Circuit open to ground" error. The looms insulation was also an issue and would fail. Good luck with your issues my friend, but I think you need to sort this out with Skoda Romania, rather than trying to get legal action from the UK. The VOSA are responsible for car safty here and have acted quickly and effectively to provided a solution whilst working with VAG. They will not stand for VAG using Identical Injectors and looms whilst trying to resolve this defect.

If you are, in fact, a reporter, as stated, then I suggest more research into the issue that causes these injectors to fail is needed.

All the best with your endeavour geovadim, and I hope my advice helps. There is an issue without a doubt, but the resolution is more than satisfactory here in the UK.

Agree with you Deneo.

I can't personally see why VAG group would put the same injectors in the car again at £2100 per car to replace them, just so they'll go again in say another 2 -3 years and everyone I have spoken to have all agreed they are modified parts.

Much advancement has been made since 2006. I doubt the same style of injectors would be put back in. This would cost VAG more in changing them again & again. I'm sure they look similar inside, but let us remember, it isn't the inside technology that failed. It was the electrical connections to them, and contained within them, that made a "Circuit open to ground" error. The looms insulation was also an issue and would fail.

Let's hope you are right on this one, I hope to be like this!

I think you need to sort this out with Skoda Romania, rather than trying to get legal action from the UK. The VOSA are responsible for car safty here and have acted quickly and effectively to provided a solution whilst working with VAG. They will not stand for VAG using Identical Injectors and looms whilst trying to resolve this defect.

I own a Passat, but the problem is the same. I am not trying to get a legal action in the UK. I just tried to find discussions about VW's PD Injectors and I found this one which was very active. Talking here, I said that if the problem with the injectors was not fixed, I am thinking to do a legal action in Romania, not in the UK. I said that you should do it there, only if the injector problem does not solved by this repair.

If you are, in fact, a reporter, as stated, then I suggest more research into the issue that causes these injectors to fail is needed.

I am not a reporter, I am a sport journalist and I run my own online business in Romania. But, if there is necessary, I will try to user my press contacts here in this case. I am doing this things as a Passat owner that wants to solve his problem. If you have read above, I got blocked in a foreign country not so developed as Romania and it was difficult for me to fix the problem there.

All the best with your endeavour geovadim, and I hope my advice helps. There is an issue without a doubt, but the resolution is more than satisfactory here in the UK.

It is very good for you, it is very good that you have there an organism like VOSA. Also in Romania things have moved in a good way, because VW released a document in May 2011 and advised (not making a recal, just 'advised') all VW official importers from the EU to change the broken injectors for free. So, if you have an injector failure in any country of the European Union, if you take the car to an official VW workshop, they will make the repair for free. It is not like in UK where all the injectors are changed with a simple call, but it is a good step anyway... The only thing is to hope that the problem is fixed.

Let's hope you are right on this one, I hope to be like this!

I own a Passat, but the problem is the same. I am not trying to get a legal action in the UK. I just tried to find discussions about VW's PD Injectors and I found this one which was very active. Talking here, I said that if the problem with the injectors was not fixed, I am thinking to do a legal action in Romania, not in the UK. I said that you should do it there, only if the injector problem does not solved by this repair.

I am not a reporter, I am a sport journalist and I run my own online business in Romania. But, if there is necessary, I will try to user my press contacts here in this case. I am doing this things as a Passat owner that wants to solve his problem. If you have read above, I got blocked in a foreign country not so developed as Romania and it was difficult for me to fix the problem there.

It is very good for you, it is very good that you have there an organism like VOSA. Also in Romania things have moved in a good way, because VW released a document in May 2011 and advised (not making a recal, just 'advised') all VW official importers from the EU to change the broken injectors for free. So, if you have an injector failure in any country of the European Union, if you take the car to an official VW workshop, they will make the repair for free. It is not like in UK where all the injectors are changed with a simple call, but it is a good step anyway... The only thing is to hope that the problem is fixed.

I'm more than Satisfied that the problem is repaired my friend.

The thing with a recall is it must be due to safety reasons. These are classed as, “Car Breaking systems” (Servo's, Callipers, Disks or peddles), “Air bags”, “Seat belts”, etc. Unfortunately for us customers, Diesel injectors do not come under this category. Although, I and anyone else who has experienced this failure would argue, a car suddenly cutting out at 80mph on the fast lane of the M6, and having to negotiate 2 lanes of fast traffic to pull over, with an 18 month old child in the back, seems like a safety defect to us. As far as vehicle safety, this doesn't come under the same rules. Just an added point, the organisation VOSA have negotiated that VAG change all of these injectors and looms, we don’t have to make a phone call, just take your vehicle to a VAG garage and they have instructions to chance all the injectors and both wiring looms. I hope that your country’s vehicle safety organisation pulls their finger out and make this compulsory there too. I am not in any way defending VAG, but think that legal action for “putting in similar injectors”, would leave everyone with a hefty bill and “egg on their faces”.

Good luck geovadim.

And to LukeRS, pleased you agree. I know people are annoyed this happens, but it DOES get fixed.

I'm more than Satisfied that the problem is repaired my friend.

The thing with a recall is it must be due to safety reasons. These are classed as, “Car Breaking systems” (Servo's, Callipers, Disks or peddles), “Air bags”, “Seat belts”, etc. Unfortunately for us customers, Diesel injectors do not come under this category. Although, I and anyone else who has experienced this failure would argue, a car suddenly cutting out at 80mph on the fast lane of the M6, and having to negotiate 2 lanes of fast traffic to pull over, with an 18 month old child in the back, seems like a safety defect to us. As far as vehicle safety, this doesn't come under the same rules. Just an added point, the organisation VOSA have negotiated that VAG change all of these injectors and looms, we don’t have to make a phone call, just take your vehicle to a VAG garage and they have instructions to chance all the injectors and both wiring looms. I hope that your country’s vehicle safety organisation pulls their finger out and make this compulsory there too. I am not in any way defending VAG, but think that legal action for “putting in similar injectors”, would leave everyone with a hefty bill and “egg on their faces”.

Good luck geovadim.

And to LukeRS, pleased you agree. I know people are annoyed this happens, but it DOES get fixed.

But it seems that SUK are not looking to replace the injectors and looms pre-emptively, only to do so if an injector actually fails; at least that's what some of us have been told.

But it seems that SUK are not looking to replace the injectors and looms pre-emptively, only to do so if an injector actually fails; at least that's what some of us have been told.

I didn't say they would Stuart, the thing was, my car was playing up so badly, and then it failed. I had them replaced. If a car isn't playing up, then who's to say they would fail. I just mentioned that a safety recall doesn't fall under this injector issue, so they legally don't have to call them back. I also stated that there is an obvious issue with these injectors. I can't say that a "fix on fail only" is a good thing, but I don't believe that they are replacing them with the same part. This seemed to me, to be someone planting an idea that would worry people who had been through all of this worry and stress already, and then believe they had the same part put back in that might fail again. Personally I believe that VAG should call back all BMN engine codes and replace the injectors before something catastrophic happens, but I don't make the rules. As I stated, I was very happy that they changed all of mine, although I did have to cut out on the M6, 3 times before the car wouldn't start again.

My thread was placed on here due to my disbelief that the same injectors were used. and rebranded. This is nonsense, and I had to have my say. As for VAG not changing until they've failed, then this could be advanced to change pre-emptively on good will.

Edited 18 September, 201114 yr by Deneo

Hi, I’m after second replacement and that happened in May this year. I am Romanian also and I live in Ireland, I travel a lot abroad and my pdvrs is now over 200000 km, first time the injector was replaced in Ireland and the second in France, on my own cost. They both replace the wiring loom but the French vw dealer give me a printed receive and they assure me that will be no problem after. I checked the codes and I have now the new parts in my car, only my last French injector and the loom not sure about first. Anyway after that I did another recent trip Ireland Romania and I was not enjoying the way I want my car because I was afraid that one of the last 2 injectors will fail. In the end everything was ok but now I wish I was pushing my car a little bit more, that is the reason I buy it to drive it up to his performance, but I was only very rare...I was always scared that the glow plug light will come on then no sound from engine. Personally from my experience I think that the quality of diesel is affecting the injector life and now I will like to hope that new wiring loom it has something to do also but maybe is too early and I may be wrong. Here in Ireland they now replace on good will the faulty part only, nothing preventively. Now I am asking if I drive the car in Northern Ireland or UK mainland can I get 4 new injectors free of charge....

My vRS doesn't seem to be running as well since the injector change. I never had the stutter problem before but now it seems I have. When I put my foot down in 3rd it has a fairly big hesitation at about 2k rpm. It's not good. I've had the car almost a year and never noticed it before.

EDIT Also, the boost seems to be kicking in later in the rev range than normal. I'm starting to get fed up with this car.

Anyone else noticed anything similar? Should I contact SCS and inform them? Is there anything they can do about it, re-program the ECU maybe?

jfarhead, you should make some simple steps here to organize things...

I have planned to set a date and have everyone who thinks this should be a recall email Watchdog on that date.

But it seems that SUK are not looking to replace the injectors and looms pre-emptively, only to do so if an injector actually fails; at least that's what some of us have been told.

Indeed, it's cheaper to sort out the owners who know about the problem, than everyone. If the forum people are paid and receive "excellent service" then it distracts from the fact they are HIDING the DEFECT from EVERYONE ELSE.

This conversation would be a lot different if one of us had been seriously hurt or someone had been killed because there was no assisted braking or normal steering when the car it OFF. If people don't think there should be a recall and don't think the issue should be pushed all the way through, then by all means, go to Skoda when yours fails, swap ONLY the failed one and carry on driving... try not to think about it when you're on the motorway or on some windy country lane at night... right?

When mine failed the first time, Audi told me to get lost and it was a "wear and tear " item. I paid up elsewhere, I though nothing of it, as hundreds have done/will do. I remembered how difficult it was to get the car on the side and how I knew there was no way my wife would have been able to do that... there would have been an accident...

I got called months later by my wife who had the second failure... with my then 1 year old son in the back... I don't think it is funny, I don't care if it's not a "recall" item, I don't care that VAG will lose millions if they recall the cars, I don't care they agreed a refund and swaps later...

I care about the FACT they ALREADY knew about the problem, and they have been keeping it quiet for YEARS. They did't release a modified injector for ME, they already knew they were defective! I care that instead of VOSA taking the fight to VAG and forcing a recall, they seem to have sided with VAG's cost saving solution. I care that there are 18,000 drivers out there, wives like mine, with 1 year old kids like mine in the back, who have NO IDEA their vehicle is a ticking time bomb, and who's car will cut out, and if they are lucky, they will get robbed of £1000 in repairs and excuses, and if they're not so lucky will never get home, and you bet my last penny they will never diagnose the cause of the accident as a failed injector caused by VAG negligence to its customers.

This has to be made public, VOSA and VAG have release NOTIHNG that says there is a recall plan further down the line, and nothing saying that other owners will be notified in due course. Just browse some other forums, all the VAG behaviour is reactive, they have no plan to recall, they have no plan to inform others... they just keep the affected people quiet, and waiting for the issue to die out.

If they get away with this, they'll get away with the next issue and the next and the next...

Indeed, it's cheaper to sort out the owners who know about the problem, than everyone. If the forum people are paid and receive "excellent service" then it distracts from the fact they are HIDING the DEFECT from EVERYONE ELSE.

This conversation would be a lot different if one of us had been seriously hurt or someone had been killed because there was no assisted braking or normal steering when the car it OFF. If people don't think there should be a recall and don't think the issue should be pushed all the way through, then by all means, go to Skoda when yours fails, swap ONLY the failed one and carry on driving... try not to think about it when you're on the motorway or on some windy country lane at night... right?

When mine failed the first time, Audi told me to get lost and it was a "wear and tear " item. I paid up elsewhere, I though nothing of it, as hundreds have done/will do. I remembered how difficult it was to get the car on the side and how I knew there was no way my wife would have been able to do that... there would have been an accident...

I got called months later by my wife who had the second failure... with my then 1 year old son in the back... I don't think it is funny, I don't care if it's not a "recall" item, I don't care that VAG will lose millions if they recall the cars, I don't care they agreed a refund and swaps later...

I care about the FACT they ALREADY knew about the problem, and they have been keeping it quiet for YEARS. They did't release a modified injector for ME, they already knew they were defective! I care that instead of VOSA taking the fight to VAG and forcing a recall, they seem to have sided with VAG's cost saving solution. I care that there are 18,000 drivers out there, wives like mine, with 1 year old kids like mine in the back, who have NO IDEA their vehicle is a ticking time bomb, and who's car will cut out, and if they are lucky, they will get robbed of £1000 in repairs and excuses, and if they're not so lucky will never get home, and you bet my last penny they will never diagnose the cause of the accident as a failed injector caused by VAG negligence to its customers.

This has to be made public, VOSA and VAG have release NOTIHNG that says there is a recall plan further down the line, and nothing saying that other owners will be notified in due course. Just browse some other forums, all the VAG behaviour is reactive, they have no plan to recall, they have no plan to inform others... they just keep the affected people quiet, and waiting for the issue to die out.

If they get away with this, they'll get away with the next issue and the next and the next...

I couldn't agree more, I have an 18 month old little angel who I care about deeply. I have a pregnant wife also. I believe this should be a "change pre-emptively"" on good will, as legally they don't have to recall. That's LEAGALLY not MORALLY. But I don't believe they are changing them with the SAME parts. This was my whole point of putting this on. All the stress and worry about the safety of my family, and then after having the parts changed, due to a failure when I was alone, luckily, someone says "They are using the same parts but rebranded"

I will also send into Watchdog on your suggested date, even though mine have been changed. Let's all remember, it isn't just the vRS, its the engines with BMN code accross the VAG range

Edited 19 September, 201114 yr by Deneo

Can somebody from here call a retailer and ask clearly what brand are the new injectors? It seems that nobody can ask this question.

Can somebody from here call a retailer and ask clearly what brand are the new injectors? It seems that nobody can ask this question.

I think the issue here is that they FAIL, not that they are putting the same ones back in. Can we keep this thread on track with jfarhead's origional post. If you are certain that they are using identical parts, why not start a thread of your own my friend. Then you can get a clear idea of the people who are with you.

I have spoke to VOSA, who have said, they have identified the failing element with the injectors and rectified it with a modified injector. They will still be Siemens (Or Continental now) but the failing issue has been rectified on the new Injectors and Looms.

Piezo injector failure seems mostly due to an internal electrical fault in the Piezo valve. The looms either wear through and the internal piezo wiring seems to burn out and short to the casing. The Piezo valve voltage signals are 100 -200V. Rather than risk damage to the ECU when one “shortsâ€, the ECU switches them all off.

You can call them yourself at the vehicle Defects Investigations on +44 117 954 2526.

Edited 19 September, 201114 yr by Deneo