Indeed, the identical trip when it was brand new only gave 45mpg.

I so love this engine. Sorry to keep saying it, but I do !

Don't apologise Mike...you are addicted like the rest of us to probably all things mechanical with the name Skoda on them! Difficult to fault the TSI engines, any of them, and it's probably the only petrol engine I've actually considered buying for years and years, but I couldn't quite get the words out...to buy one! I broke out in a cold sweat and had a panic attack at the thought!!!

lol... I've had 50 + on my vRS :p I'll get a pic up when I can be bothered to drive that slowley

I know what you mean, the VRs encourages you to use the throttle like a switch! My daily ride is a Suzuki 1000, a good al-round 140mph bike that does anything, goes anywhere, any speed. The way I ride it, it just manages to scrape through with 32mpg!!! Pretty appalling for a bike. My car does more than double that mpg! If I'm more restrained with the bike's throttle it'll do 50mpg which is more acceptable. But the problem is the bike is capable of 0-62 in 3.6seconds...so you see my difficulty Sharkey!! Same as yours.

Say a TSi normally averyages around 40mpg but this reduces to 14 when driven hard thats a loss of 26mpg. Same with a CR, say it does 60 most of the time but then only returns 22 on a hard run thats a loss of 38mpg. With the diesel you pretty much lose the fuel economy achievable by the TSi in everyday driving just by driving it hard. I think it goes to show that if you are someone that drives their car pretty hard most of the time whilst it may not be cheaper necessarily the petrol probably is the more efficient car for that sort of driver.

You are better looking at percentages rather than the straight mpg figures as that tells you just how much one engine gains or loses against another when driven differently...

14mpg is 35% of the "normal" figure of 40mpg

22mpg is 36% of the "normal figure of 60mpg

60mpg is 50% better fuel economy than 40mpg

22mpg is (roughly) 50% better fuel economy than 14mpg

So both lose about the same when driven hard, but the diesel still keeps its 50% advantage in fuel consumption... It is not less efficient as you say...

Like others have said, though, it makes a change for such an article to be so fair in its conclusions...

Edited 29 April, 201115 yr by The PM

Anyone that says the TSi 105 lacks torque has simply not driven one, it has nearly as much torque as a 2.0litre Mondeo and even then the Mondeo can only produce that torque at a 4000rpm peak where the TSi can produce the torque anywhere from 1550rpm to 4100rpm. With the TSi's lower gearing it means the TSi feels strong in every gear.

There's a place for both cars. I do 20k miles a year so have a 2.0CR TDi Passat DSG, a petrol would be stupid for me.

Our Fabia does 5000 miles a year so the price difference is negligable and I could purely pick the car on which is best to drive.

When we bought our current Fabia we tried the 1.4 16V versions and the 1.9PD and the diesel was by far the better driving car with loads of pull. This time round the tables have turned, the diesel doesn't have the grunt of the old PD unit and the TSi is an absolute joy to drive, coupled to the DSG it whips through the 7 ratio's with a sporty snarl. The TSi also feels more nimble than our current 1.9TDi and the newer 1.6TDi probably because of the much lighter engine in the nose.

If you do a lot of miles the the diesel makes more financial sense but the TSi is the better car to drive.

I'd say the same with my Passat, the 2.0CR TDi is a good drive but the 1.8TSi is more fun and the car I would have bought if my milage was halfed.

If I was only doing 5000 miles a year I would have bought the R36 3.6litre V6 Passat as I've mainly had big V6 cars or Turbo Petrols.

You have to decide what your mileage is going to be, how much slack in your wallet and you much you value a more entertaining drive.

Cheers

Lee

Edited 29 April, 201115 yr by logiclee

Intersting read - grey one looks better though

I'd probably go petrol for the driveability, hence why i've gone for the new vRS

Having had diesels for 6 years or more I thought it was time for a change, if I did more miles i'd go diesel again.

Intersting read - grey one looks better though

I'd probably go petrol for the driveability, hence why i've gone for the new vRS

Having had diesels for 6 years or more I thought it was time for a change, if I did more miles i'd go diesel again.

Yep, hearing that one!

Anyone that says the TSi 105 lacks torque has simply not driven one, it has nearly as much torque as a 2.0litre Mondeo and even then the Mondeo can only produce that torque at a 4000rpm peak where the TSi can produce the torque anywhere from 1550rpm to 4100rpm. With the TSi's lower gearing it means the TSi feels strong in every gear.

Cheers

Lee

The TSI 105 produces 5nm's of torque more than VW's own 115bhp 2.0ltr petrol engine too. The VW produces 170nm's at 3,800rpm and is a slug to drive because of it. The TSI is much superior with it's low down torque and better to drive. My simple but effective 80ps 1422cc TDI is also much ahead of the VW unit and much nicer to drive. Agree with what you say. Horses for courses.

Aye, the TSi engines are really punchy! Especially when you get out of 1st gear and pop it into 2nd and hit about 1550rpm it really pulls you along! Very impressive engines.. turned me from buying a derv to getting a petrol again!

Another interesting observation is that with something like the VRS when your just keeping up with a standard engined car your using 90-100% of the standard car and 50-60% of the performance of the VRS this means that the VRS can post economy figures to match the stnadard engine because its crusing while the standard is taking a thrashing.

Also when you push the VRS the econnomy dosen't matter due to the 200% higher smile factor.

Also when you push the VRS the econnomy dosen't matter due to the 200% higher smile factor.

And that's why we love vRS's!

Typical 'honest john' crap. His maths is out ad he forgot to include the fact that the disel is also worth mote at resale, so his 20 months to break even is actually more like 14 months on 12,000 miles per year.

On my 36,000 miles a year it's more like 4 months.

Bottom line is buy the car that suits you the best.

Why everyone feels the need to constantly justify their particular purchase and belittle the other models confuses me. Maybe you are all very insecure?

Typical 'honest john' crap. His maths is out ad he forgot to include the fact that the disel is also worth mote at resale, so his 20 months to break even is actually more like 14 months on 12,000 miles per year.

On my 36,000 miles a year it's more like 4 months.

Bottom line is buy the car that suits you the best.

Why everyone feels the need to constantly justify their particular purchase and belittle the other models confuses me. Maybe you are all very insecure?

I agree

If people want and are happy with a TSI... leave them to it

If people want and are happy with a TDI... leave them to it also!

At the end of the day, whatever spec people choose, whether others see it as 'burning money'... it isn't their money so why let it get to them!?

Order the car YOU want and be happy with it, as your the one driving it Thats what I say at least!

Typical 'honest john' crap. His maths is out ad he forgot to include the fact that the disel is also worth mote at resale, so his 20 months to break even is actually more like 14 months on 12,000 miles per year.

On my 36,000 miles a year it's more like 4 months.

Bottom line is buy the car that suits you the best.

Why everyone feels the need to constantly justify their particular purchase and belittle the other models confuses me. Maybe you are all very insecure?

White, you are absolutely right. But I don't think anyone is trying to dis other people's choices, certainly I wouldn't. Merely pointing out, even correcting some interesting anomalies and facts, it's called discussion. We are after all discussing a very specific road test comparison between the two type of engine types, petrol vs diesel. It's whatever rocks you boat baby!!!

Well I am totally a diesel freak just done 200 miles on 11 litres of diesel which by calculations is 80mph in the 1.4 tdi ? Driving between 40-55 mph how the hell is this possible

I think the whole Petrol vs Diesel thing is a total horses for courses.

I am very qualified to comment as I have owned both for the past 8 years

Both have their advantages and disadvantages, but I think it all comes down to what kind of driving you are doing, and ultimately how much money you are willing to pay for fuelling your cars.

That said, me and my wife now both own petrol cars, and while my mileage is staying at a very reasonable 8-9K per annum I'm very happily goign back to Petrol.

I was totally amazed just how quiet both my wifes new car is and how quiet my one will be (tomorrow)

As i'm currently driving something with a 1.9TDI PD lump at the front, quiet running will be something I am looking forward to!

I think the whole Petrol vs Diesel thing is a total horses for courses.

I am very qualified to comment as I have owned both for the past 8 years

Both have their advantages and disadvantages, but I think

it all comes down to what kind of driving you are doing, and ultimately how much money you are willing to pay for

fuelling your cars

That said, me and my wife now both own petrol cars, and

while my mileage is staying at a very reasonable 8-9K per

annum I'm very happily goign back to Petrol.

I was totally amazed just how quiet both my wifes new car is and how quiet my one will be (tomorrow)

As i'm currently driving something with a 1.9TDI PD lump at the front, quiet running will be something I am looking

forward to!

Gorebrush yes horses for courses, the pd lumps are noisy

although they are amazing engines,the Tsi engines are awesome fantastic no less, however the cr tdi engines are suppose a truly beautiful engineered engine, quiet, responsive and eventually economic!, the 1.4 tdi engine is

however a noisy engine but to get 80 mpg is crazy it's not a greenline so it must be a combination of summer diesel, replacing the panel filter with a K&N unit,also using redex very often and lastly driving like an old granny lol, the good weather may also be of benefit all in all the 1.4tdi pd engine is a legend!!

Well I am totally a diesel freak just done 200 miles on 11 litres of diesel which by calculations is 80mph in the 1.4 tdi ? Driving between 40-55 mph how the hell is this possible

Its not unbelieveable.....pretty normal really. If I pootle at 50 mph in fourth gear on a long run I will easily exceed 80mpg. The problem is its so boring and the prospect of being overtaken by horse boxes and caravans doesnt do much for my pride. Only on Saturday night I had a 60 mile roundtrip to pick somebody up, I was in no rush so went the whole way on dual carriageway at 65-70mph. This gave me 77mpg which taking the normal computer error in to account is 72 mpg.

Biggest killer of mpg is speed. Its not linear either so even a small increase in speed can have a huge impact on economy. Doing the same run at 75mph returns about 63mpg (actual).

I only bought my diesel as I do loads of miles. I already see a significant saving in fuel costs over my 1.2 HTP Fabia that I used to own. Yes the PD lump is noisy, it vibrates and has some rev ranges that grate the nerves. At speed its no issue. Our old 1.4MPI is more refined and easier to drive around town, the diesel takes some thinking about what you are doing and the rev counter is now a very handy and dare I say necessary item for successful PD driving !

I have no real loyalty or slightly odd 'fetish' for diesels. Its just a more efficient option for me. I miss the ease of driving, especially round town that my 1.2 petrol gave me but the cost savings as well as the extra torque and power of the PD make up for it. I would say the efficiency gap between diesel and petrol has narrowed, especially with all the new emissions regs. So owning a diesel for efficiency reasons isnt so cut and dried unless you do major mileage like me.

You end up with a simple choice, purchase and resale cost aside, if you like petrols buy a petrol, if you like diesels buy a diesel. If you want efficiency get your calculator out, sharpen a pencil and see if its really worth it.

Everybody needs a car with a certain engine to do a particular job - be it commuting, shopping or general stuff. If I had just gone for any old estate I would probably have bought a diesel focus estate and been known as Mr.Boring/Gay/Loser! I ordered the Fabia vRS estate, not because it's petrol or diesel, just because I like it

Well I'm on rural roads for most of the time with the pd, I drive at normal speeds not to slow 4 gear about 40mph, but sometimes 5 th at about 50-55 , can't take it faster than that really twisty and unforgiving roads, also tires are now 40 psi approx for rolling resistance, I will only use the crtdi when I know I'm going further and were I can get some speed up, the 1.4 is only for work, so I am very happy with my 3 pot

Everybody needs a car with a certain engine to do a particular job - be it commuting, shopping or general stuff. If I had just gone for any old estate I would probably have bought a diesel focus estate and been known as Mr.Boring/Gay/Loser! I ordered the Fabia vRS estate, not because it's petrol or diesel, just because I like it

I personally would have purchased the vrs fabia, but the missus wouldn't let me have it lol, the monte was not available when I ordered the elegance so I may have gone for this ? However the crtdi 105 is a cracking car, not as exillerating as the vrs but for me I prefer a gear stick, the crtdi is a lovely drive not so hard on the bottom lol