What are these advances in vehicle lighting..

The fact that the headlights on modern cars are far more effective than they were from years gone by.

You'd better remove those seatbelts from your Fabia George, and dectivate the ABS and ESP. You may as well remove the airbags too, and cut out the side impact reinforcement from the doors and sills.

You'll be taping over a portion of your DRL's next to reduce their light output, oh, you already have! Well that's what you get from buying a "chavs" car?

Your being silly now.

Effective lights would be good right out the factory in 2012, but many are finding the need for Modifying & upgrading.

Actually Dipped beams from older models and lights were better in many cases year ago.

& reliable.

You have said from the start of this thread that the Cornering DRL's must be faulty.

Well thats not a sign of Effective. & if the standard Dipped and Beam require the lighting of dark country roads to be lit by Cornering Fogs, that not much better than my iQ's lights which are the worst i have ever had on any car ever.

2010 euro 5 model as well..

Thats not advancement really, is it.

I never Taped over my DRL's. (DRL's are Deactivated) ,

I partially masked over the Sidelight/ Parking light temporarily right after the Clocks changed,

due to my Dipped Headlights and the Standard Sidelights getting flashed around the rush hour in late afternoon.

they were mistaken for Fog or Driving lights by quite a few drivers.

Temp measure untill i got the embarrassing LED sidelights changed for something that did not annoy other drivers..

Also to stop others from doing the full 'Flash & Fogs on' to point out i was a d!ck with Fogs on in the town.

I like the Chav car, but dislike the Embarrising Standard Sidelights in a Driving/Foglight type position,

while a Bulb was available in the Headlight unit.

george

Not all - some drls remain on with headlights - Ford, some Mercs, maybe even Octavia, although some do dim the drl

if its from factory - they will definately dim, or turn off.

they have to by law, and for silliness sake!

Cornering fogs are not an option here in the UK on the Octavia. They can only be activated by the owner after delivery using VCDS.

I'm guessing Oz is different.

Mine come on with the indicator, I find this extra element useful as it provides extra light in the direction I'm about to turn into even if the road/steering is temporarily heading in the opposite direction.

cornerning fogs r an option here in oz.

if u choose the option when ordering - dealer does it during pre-delivery.

otherwise, like u folks, we activate it ourselves once we have the car.

this is the only coding i did for my cornering fogs:-

[09] Central elec / Coding / Long coding helper / byte14 / bit 5, Check the box.

Edited 6 December, 201213 yr by JR RS

Effective lights would be good right out the factory in 2012, but many are finding the need for Modifying & upgrading.

To be fair George, if you go back to the beginning of this thread my repsonses have been informative on the function of DRL's and cornering lights - on topic.

What makes this thread "silly" is your repeated and continued misunderstanding of the functionality of a modern cars lighting.

Who is modifying their lights?

DRL's, cornering foglights and single rear foglights are all factory standard features designed in by the manufacturer.

It seems to me that you are old school, and are just refusing to appreciate and accept the advances in vehicle lighting?

Effective lights would be good right out the factory in 2012, but many are finding the need for Modifying & upgrading.

Temp measure untill i got the embarrassing LED sidelights changed for something that did not annoy other drivers..

Also to stop others from doing the full 'Flash & Fogs on' to point out i was a d!ck with Fogs on in the town.

I like the Chav car, but dislike the Embarrising Standard Sidelights in a Driving/Foglight type position,

while a Bulb was available in the Headlight unit.

So in one breath you criticise people for modifying their lights and in the very next breath you admit to taping over your DRL's and sidelights?

OK,

since the point is being missed, on purpose i would think.

I will leave you to your sooper dooper lighting choices.

One or more people are prepred to considering other road users, (thats me, & others)

& i mean,

the fact that a standard Sidelight is over bright & causing confusion to others that think they are additional lighting,

Or that DRL's or Sidelights and Headlights will be enough in good visibilty conditions.

&

others here appear to not see very well, or do not care about other road users,

because as said by one poster here,

'You do not see your lights when you are behind the wheel.' (Paraphrased, sorry)

So basically,

'i am OK jack, whats your problem'.

'Muppet road show' type thing.,

its actually good when you see those with funny lights etc early before too near to their vehicle,

you are warned before being near them, that there may be a lack of indicators but there will be some light going out as they make some change of direction. Just not a flashing orange one.

george

So in one breath you criticise people for modifying their lights and in the very next breath you admit to taping over your DRL's and sidelights?

The question is, did he notify his insurance company of the modification/ removal of a safety feature?

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If thats directed at me.

Yes, i have Modified Vehicle insurance covering my vehicle,

But no requirement to inform anyone on my sidelights

, i have fully functioning lighting,

& have Sidelights & Headlights that comply with Traffic Regulations & the rather lax UK

MOT Requirements.

&

in the sure and certain knowledge that my car lights are non annoying or confusing to other road users.

Is the safety Feature you mention the DRL's which are Deactivated.?

No requirement in the UK for the Use of DRL's or for them to be tested in a UK MOT.

(I am not a Manufacturer of New Vehicles & am not required to Fit DRL's to New EU Approved vehicles after Jan 2011)

Now me, i am annoying.

& likes to 'Cause a fight in an empty house.'

My father must have been a 'Fifer'.

pussz pussz.

Now me, i am annoying.

& likes to 'Cause a fight in an empty house.'

My father must have been a 'Fifer'.

pussz pussz.

I bought swmbo a frying pan for Christmas, think that I might be glutton for an argument too...

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What makes this thread "silly" is your repeated and continued misunderstanding of the functionality of a modern cars lighting.

Silver, it's deliberate, there's no "misunderstanding", George really can't grasp that things have moved on. There's a reliance on some very antiquated thinking too (there's a claim that all lights fitted to a car must be fitted and used in pairs. Epic fail.....direction indicators are never used in pairs. Most modern cars have three brake lights [unless there's some odd shenanigans going on north of the wall, a pair is two]. RVLR makes exceptions for rear foglights and reverse lights not to be fitted in pairs) If he's not going to read and understand what he's been quoting, what chance do you think he has of reading and understanding what gets written by everyone else?

Even after having been told several times, it seems to have not sunk in that the cornering function doesn't switch lights off........

'Muppet road show' type thing.,

its actually good when you see those with funny lights etc early before too near to their vehicle,

you are warned before being near them, that there may be a lack of indicators but there will be some light going out as they make some change of direction. Just not a flashing orange one.

since the point is being missed, on purpose i would think.

......same as you usually do George.

'Keep up at the back RainbowFire'.

Oddly, for you.!!

you missed when reading about the 'Paired lights'. that is in post #3

(or did you miss on purpose for effect?)

Or is it because when you Quote you do it to suit the point you are making. 'Edited Quote'

& it does not reflect what is posted or meant in the post?

the Exclusion point in my post, on Indicators, & high level brake light, #3

then,

'Silver1011 mentioning the Single rear Fog, # 4

& i agreed & said sorry for forgetting,. thats is in post # 6

Pot, Kettle, Black. Or even Frying Pan.

Ta ra, oft for Xmas Hols,

Only safe & un-confusing or non annoying lights, will be used.

Missing you already.

george

Read the thread in interest and made me chuckle at points.

I saw those fog lights switching on all of a sudden on other cars, I asume those are the cornering fog lights the chat is here about.

If so this is the worst kind of "advancement in car lightining" in history of motoring! What a lot of cobblers that!

First of all, single light coming on all of a sudden on a roundabout is hardly a safety feature and can be read as somebody "flashing you to go" with one lamp faulty. Secondly it is rather distractive, flashing lights are usually reserved for d1cks or emergency vehicles.

The whole arguent about providing better visibility is simply b0110ck$! Legally adjusted fogs shine very low, flat beam. they do not provide any significant improvement in visibility for cornering or otherwise in normal conditions as the throw is short and they are meant to be used at low speeds. It is illegal to drive using fogs in normal visibility. Why would it be legal to keep flashing just one of them is beyond me!

Then DRL's used as cornering lights - WTF? They are meant to be ob at all times so what is the point in switching them on or off??

And then lastly, there is a good solution for imprving visbility while cornering, it's called cornering adaptive lights where diped/main beams simply swivel or optics geometry is changed to redirect the beam in the direction of driving.

Another point, during daylight, what is the bl00dy point in using cornering fog lights or DRL's anyways?

Cornering forgs (not to mention DRL's which should be on all the time anyways) are simply dangerous in my personal opinion, are not beneficial in any sane way and should simply be banned outright. If it is illegal to use BOTH fog lights in good visibility, flashing just one on and off is completely bonkers and even more illegal.

DISCLAIMER:

The above is not directed at anybody and it is to discuss a point.

BTW: I am not "old school" and all for real advancement in car lighting and safety features

Edited 7 December, 201213 yr by Jabozuma

Cornering fogs only operate at speeds up to around 30 MPH, and adaptive headlights only operate above 30MPH.

'Keep up at the back RainbowFire'.

Oddly, for you.!!

you missed when reading about the 'Paired lights'. that is in post #3

(or did you miss on purpose for effect?)

Or is it because when you Quote you do it to suit the point you are making. 'Edited Quote'

& it does not reflect what is posted or meant in the post?

the Exclusion point in my post, on Indicators, & high level brake light, #3

then,

'Silver1011 mentioning the Single rear Fog, # 4

& i agreed & said sorry for forgetting,. thats is in post # 6

Pot, Kettle, Black. Or even Frying Pan.

Ta ra, oft for Xmas Hols,

Only safe & un-confusing or non annoying lights, will be used.

Missing you already.

george

George, you old 'nana, you need to chill. Rememer I told you before, what's good for you is good for me. You've made up and mis-quoted so much of what I said, in an effort to not answer questions that have been asked of you. Ever thought that actually answering them would perhaps strengthing those epically weak statements you cobble together?

Bye George.

Have good good christmas (or whatever you beleive in up there)

Love and hugs! :)

(Damn, chatting with Fubar is rubbing off! )

Cornering fogs only operate at speeds up to around 30 MPH, and adaptive headlights only operate above 30MPH.

Don't muddy their opinion with facts!! That will ruin their argument. ;)

There is a setting in VCDS to use main-beam as a cornering light, at reduced power. Might have a play with that in the park over the weekend, just to see what it's like (i.e off the public highway).

You can now buy after market cornering-light kits. These only work by indicator activation, and no speed or steering angle input.

I do not have cornering lights so bear with me.

Do they switch on daytime?

The one I saw on a Pug went on in daylight...

Shouldn't do, as far as i am aware (prepared to be told otherwise unlike some) they should only work below 30mph & when the headlights are on dipped beam

Really buggers things up on a roundabout with a 'dab of oppo'...

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Read the thread in interest and made me chuckle at points.

I saw those fog lights switching on all of a sudden on other cars, I asume those are the cornering fog lights the chat is here about.

If so this is the worst kind of "advancement in car lightining" in history of motoring! What a lot of cobblers that!

First of all, single light coming on all of a sudden on a roundabout is hardly a safety feature and can be read as somebody "flashing you to go" with one lamp faulty. Secondly it is rather distractive, flashing lights are usually reserved for d1cks or emergency vehicles.

The whole arguent about providing better visibility is simply b0110ck$! Legally adjusted fogs shine very low, flat beam. they do not provide any significant improvement in visibility for cornering or otherwise in normal conditions as the throw is short and they are meant to be used at low speeds. It is illegal to drive using fogs in normal visibility. Why would it be legal to keep flashing just one of them is beyond me!

Then DRL's used as cornering lights - WTF? They are meant to be ob at all times so what is the point in switching them on or off??

And then lastly, there is a good solution for imprving visbility while cornering, it's called cornering adaptive lights where diped/main beams simply swivel or optics geometry is changed to redirect the beam in the direction of driving.

Another point, during daylight, what is the bl00dy point in using cornering fog lights or DRL's anyways?

Cornering forgs (not to mention DRL's which should be on all the time anyways) are simply dangerous in my personal opinion, are not beneficial in any sane way and should simply be banned outright. If it is illegal to use BOTH fog lights in good visibility, flashing just one on and off is completely bonkers and even more illegal.

DISCLAIMER:

The above is not directed at anybody and it is to discuss a point.

BTW: I am not "old school" and all for real advancement in car lighting and safety features

A few points.

They don't 'flash on and flash off', they fade in and fade out, and the duration of time taken to do this prevents them from being misinterpreted as a flash.

The flash function on cars uses main beam in the main headlamp cluster, not the front fogs situated lower down in the bumper, another reason it is unlikely to be mistaken for a flash.

The cornering light function using the fog lights is the point, the light emitted is low down and close to the car. They work at speeds of 25mph or less so the extra light projected immediately to the front and to the side does help.

DRL's are not used for cornering lights, the front fog lights are.

A lot of negativity there on a function you've not actually witnessed from behind the wheel.

Hi di hi.

A vehicle in a town driving up to a mini roundabout or a bigger roundabout is likely to be in a 40 mph or 30mph limit with street lighting & pedestrians, cyclists etc.

It is highly likely that the speed will come to below 30 mph to enter that roundabout or turn at a junction, cross roads or Traffic Lights.

They may even stop, quite often they will have to slow..

(so no idea why the subject of the speed at which these lights function at is important from the defenders/fans of them)

That is what the OP was about and my comments throughout was about DRL's with one that went out as somebody turned.

(its been said here as they indicated, well i do not see the indicator just one bright DRL going out.)

Then the Cornering fog lights were brought up. (by me).

Some plonkers if they do not have 'Cornering DRL's' must have on Cornering Fog Lights in town in Daylight,

& some must have these on and make turns or change of directions without using indicators,

or their indicators are broken.

This is happening in traffic in broad daylight & regularly.

& happening below 30 mph.

So where is the safety measure in one DRL going out or one Fog Light that has no need to be on in Broad Daylight.

Just a dogs dinner really, & as it appears people with the type of lights think this is all great.

Well others think not.

george

Come on, it's not as if there's been loads of sudden accidents due to cornering fogs or DRL's :think:

At the end of the day, as long as there's visible vehicles (instead of the usual clowns who drive all day in the winter with NO lights on) then happy days.

Much sooner actually see what's oncoming than moan about the intricacies of cornering technology/possible flaws.

The biggest flaw is the lack of vehicle illumination, front and rear, but for now, DRL's at the front is a positive start. It's only a matter of time before the older 'fuddy duddys' realise that they're a benefit, instead of a hindrance.

Some plonkers if they do not have 'Cornering DRL's' must have on Cornering Fog Lights in town in Daylight,

& some must have these on and make turns or change of directions without using indicators,

or their indicators are broken.

This is happening in traffic in broad daylight & regularly.

& happening below 30 mph.

So where is the safety measure in one DRL going out or one Fog Light that has no need to be on in Broad Daylight.

Just a dogs dinner really, & as it appears people with the type of lights think this is all great.

Well others think not.

george

Jeez George, how many times do we have to try?

The only way cornering fog lights will be active during the day is if dipped headlights are on.

They will turn on through inputs to the steering wheel and/or indicators. Therefore it is possible cornering lights will work without indicating.

Cornering foglights only operate below 40kph / 25mph. I can only guess but I assume this is beacause their benefits are more pronounced at slower speeds.

Cornering foglights are completely independant to DRL's.

DRL's don't "go out", they turn on with the ignition and turn off/dim when you select side or dipped headlights or turn the ignition off.

DRL's sometimes dim when the indicator is turned on to minimise the chances of the DRL masking the indicator. This is usually when the DRL is close to the indicator (Audi).

Any plans to revert to a pair of trafficator's on the old Fabia?

Edited 7 December, 201213 yr by silver1011

Thats clear then, we are spotting something that does not happen.

That must be case closed.

No accidents and no confusion.

Thank goodness for that.

george

Jeez George, how many times do we have to try?

More than that. ;)

I think he's just deliberately winding people up now. I know he rarely reads my posts properly, but I would have thought he'd have had the common courtesy to read everyone else's. ;)

George - u crack me up!!!

i'm glad i don't live in tayside!