Hi guys

 

I’ve been lurking in the forum for a while but since we are about to join in on the Octavia VRS club I was hoping I could get some advice?

 

Firstly we are looking at the Mrk II probably an early FL model

We currently cover approx 9k miles a year.

This has pushed me towards a petrol though a diesel with the DPF removed was very tempting.

 

Budget will be circ £10-11k

Looking for a manual with around/sub 50k miles

 

I think that all looks fairly doable and sounds like a good idea!? but I am struggling to understand the engine lettering

 

As I understand it the 2.0 TSI was fitted to all FL models and is the newer slightly more efficient and chain driven version of the 2.0 T FSI

 

If that is correct – why when I am looking at Autotrader does it only list 2.0T FSI versions?

 

Have I got it completely backwards?

Should I just not panic since I am looking at a FL so this won’t be an issue?

 

All advice appreciated

 

D

All FL's use the Tsi. For some reason, everyone including Skoda still refer to the Tfsi.

It's a great engine and night and day compared to the pd vRS I had before.

Thanks for putting my mind at rest. I'll have a peak at the engine cover when we find one but I wanted to be sure that I wasnt looking at the older model.

 

Cheers

D

A CR engined car with DPF shouldnt be a major concern, nothing like as problematic as the older PD variant, whose injector technology was never really suitable for DPF applications; was a bolt on for emmissions reasons on the PD engined cars as far as Im concerned, the CR engine being designed to work in harmony with the technology (as all VAG CR engined cars now have them).

I only do 10/12k a year in mine and not worried at all, so long as youre not trundling it to the shops and back every day should not be a worry at all.

That said the petrol cars are typically cheaper to buy as they're generally not as popular due to the heavier fueling costs (mpg mid to low 30's on average unless driven with kid gloves).

My 2011TSi vRS has a tracked average of 35 MPG on Fuelly - that is for a fairly mixed use.

 

A tank used purely for local trips usually averages about 30 - a long MWay trip at 70 will get it up to the high 30's.

 

Lovely Engine though - previous car was a PD140 A3.

 

Paul

Firstly welcome to the forum and it's great to see a new member posting a question in the correct section!

 

With your budget and milage a TSI may be the better option as you'll get a newer/lower milage car for your money, the downside is it will be more expensive to run and will depreciate more than the CR, so you'll get less for it when you sell. As pipsyp has said the CR and PD diesels are different animals altogether so individuals opinions of PDs although completly valid for that engine have little resemblance to what you might experience with the CR.

 

One thing that does happen with the chain driven TSI engine is that the cam chain tensioner can fail and completely trashes the engine if it does, so a complete main dealer service history is essential and you should also consider taking out a warrenty IMO if you buy one. No doubt the TSI guys will tell you numbers are low, but it's no consolation to those that have suffered the big bang.

 

I'd suggest you test drive them both to see which one floats your boat as it's what suits you best that matters, not what the rest of us think you should get 

 

You'll be pleased with either TBH, so enjoy....oh and pictures please when you get it!

you say you do 9k but what kind of driving is it?

 

I've had my PD vrs since november and even though its daily commute is about 3 miles total in town im yet to have any dpf issues. If the light comes on, I go for a drive and get rid of it. 

 

So during the week it doesnt get anyware near is rated mileage but when I go places it returns a healthy 45+ depending on driving. So its not the distance covered, its the kind of driving. This is a common misconception when people ask about diesel cars. 

 

I personaly wouldnt discount the derv in your case. Take a look and test drive of both and see which you like better.

Firstly welcome to the forum and it's great to see a new member posting a question in the correct section!

With your budget and milage a TSI may be the better option as you'll get a newer/lower milage car for your money, the downside is it will be more expensive to run and will depreciate more than the CR, so you'll get less for it when you sell. As pipsyp has said the CR and PD diesels are different animals altogether so individuals opinions of PDs although completly valid for that engine have little resemblance to what you might experience with the CR.

One thing that does happen with the chain driven TSI engine is that the cam chain tensioner can fail and completely trashes the engine if it does, so a complete main dealer service history is essential and you should also consider taking out a warrenty IMO if you buy one. No doubt the TSI guys will tell you numbers are low, but it's no consolation to those that have suffered the big bang.

I'd suggest you test drive them both to see which one floats your boat as it's what suits you best that matters, not what the rest of us think you should get

You'll be pleased with either TBH, so enjoy....oh and pictures please when you get it!

I think your slightly exaggerating the possible tensioner fault! How many tsi engines worldwide have been produced compared to how many failures there have been. Thats like saying all diesels will have dmf and dpf failure! I actually switched to petrol after many years of diesel ownership as modern diesels appear to have more issues longterm than petrols. Maybe not an issue if you change the car within warranty all the time but I tend to keep mine for a few years and easily put 100k plus miles on it before changing. ....do about 20-25k per year.

Phew glad to know its in the right place!!

 

Our mileage is very likely to change soon as we are expecting (hence the change in car). I'd imagine its going to be relatively short trips and while we do a fair number of long trips over the weekends I think the baby will probably mean the end of those. Even in the interim the main commute will only be 5-6miles of urban driving so we would need to make sure we did the distances at the weekend.

 

I did a bit of research into the difference between the CR and PD engines. It was a CR that I was toying with but had been put of with the potential of having to do a certain type of driving to clear it out. I think we will give them both a test to see what we prefer. There doesn't seem to be many petrol versions on sale in our area at the minute.

 

My first car was a 3 pot Corsa so familiar with the chain rattle. Looking for a Full service history but wasn't aware people would also warranty against that problem.

 

Pictures wont be a problem once I get my hands on one. 

I've driven from glasgow to cornwall this week and averaged 39mpg (maxidot diplayed 41.2mpg) sitting mostly at 75-80mph and then country roads for the last part of the journey. Think that is pretty good. I've got a tsi by the way.....remapped as well.

Edited 5 July, 201312 yr by neil_f

I think your slightly exaggerating the possible tensioner fault! How many tsi engines worldwide have been produced compared to how many failures there have been. Thats like saying all diesels will have dmf and dpf failure! I actually switched to petrol after many years of diesel ownership as modern diesels appear to have more issues longterm than petrols. Maybe not an issue if you change the car within warranty all the time but I tend to keep mine for a few years and easily put 100k plus miles on it before changing. ....do about 20-25k per year.

Sorry but i don't think I've exagerated it at all- I simply said it does happen and the result is a trashed engine both these statements are true. I quite agree the numbers are probably very low, but that's no comfort to those who've had it happen especially if they have no warrenty and I mearly wanted the OP to be aware of that when he decides which to go for. From his subsequent posts I STILL think he'll be better off with a TSI because of the types of journeys he's doing and as ryan-re quite rightly said it's not your annual milage that's important when considering the potential problems of modern diesels it's the type of journeys you do.

 

As a little tease I'd say that even if my CR has both DMF and DPF failures outside of the warrenty period I still won't need a tow and I'll have change compared to any poor devil who's tensioner has decided to give up the ghost.

 

Norco,

 

If you could stretch to 12k you could get a 2010 FL TSI with circa 20k on the clock- there's 2 on the skoda website though if you wait until after goodwood and the official launch of the mkIII vRS prices might drop a bit further.

 

HTH

 

Ade

Yeah agree if tensioner went on mine I would be rather unhappy to say the least. I have heard of a couple of timing belts going on cr engines within the service life (mate works at an audi dealership)...same damage and likelihood as tensioner going on tsi...ie new engine and very few affected Not wanting to start an argument but as with everything you buy you take your chances.

Oh err that's news to me... I feel a bout of paranoia coming on LOL! Totally agree everyone makes their choice and takes their chances and problems are possible with either engine, which as long as we know about it up front we can decide which one suits our needs best and whether we want a warrenty or take a chance.

Cheers

Ade

Yeah agree if tensioner went on mine I would be rather unhappy to say the least. I have heard of a couple of timing belts going on cr engines within the service life (mate works at an audi dealership)...same damage and likelihood as tensioner going on tsi...ie new engine and very few affected Not wanting to start an argument but as with everything you buy you take your chances.

Its not about arguing here though sharing a point of view. The failure is more common  than you think, google it and you'll find a few threads and lists of failures especially on the golf forums. It is cheaper for the vw audi group to argue the toss and replace the odd engine under warranty and avoid paying for others than it is to acknowledge a problem with the TSI (CCZ) engine and spend 5 hours on each replacing a cam chain tensioner which incidentially is now on its fourth revision. The failure is not specificy to mileage or lack of servicing, seemingly pretty random, though it is on the early facelift cars when the CCZ engine was introduced. The failure should not happen as the part is a non servicable item, ie it should last the lifetime of the engine, unlike a cambelt or similar where you are expected to renew it after x amount of miles, this is probably why owners are more disgruntled at the failures along with the extensive damage it causes.and the lack of response from VAG.

 

As I said It happens randomly on early facelifts 2009/2010 models if you are buying one make sure it doesn't have a rattle on startup or around 3000rpm and factor in the cost for replacing the tensioner with a later version regardless.