We're on about a DSG not manual

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We're on about a DSG not manual

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Well Ok a DSG is 20kg heavier and on paper does nothing to improve the cars performance.

Yeah DSG doesn't help at all

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Yes.

As fewie said, some owners may crash and claim it was done on the road. The A509 is a very dangerous place

The other thing about Santa Pod is that it makes it so easy to spot modified cars. On a track, it may be difficult to tell but if you are doing a second or more under stock times, then there's no doubt.

To be fair I don't know about Santa Pod or Direct line but I work for an insurance company and I'm pretty sure they don't have as much time and resource to spy on their customers as you'd think! They do put quite a lot of effort into claims mitigation but I don't think this normally runs as far as posting spies at every racetrack in the country on the off chance that someone who attends one might later lie.

Thats not to make it right of course. As we know every fraudulent claim adds to the cost of insurance for the rest of us

This was from an ODB logger, using launch control on my TDI DSG VRS.  Cold tyres on a slightly damp road, so I reckon there's more to come.

 

The ODB speed is within 1mph of the GPS speed (the car adds some when it sends it to the actual speedo), so this should be pretty accurate, which means claims of getting to 60 in around 7secs seem about right.

 

You have to bear in mind that Skoda apparently do their performance figures with a brimmed tank of fuel and 2 passengers on board.

 

This was from an ODB logger, using launch control on my TDI DSG VRS. Cold tyres on a slightly damp road, so I reckon there's more to come.

The ODB speed is within 1mph of the GPS speed (the car adds some when it sends it to the actual speedo), so this should be pretty accurate, which means claims of getting to 60 in around 7secs seem about right.

You have to bear in mind that Skoda apparently do their performance figures with a brimmed tank of fuel and 2 passengers on board.

Still reckon your looking at v low 7's to 60 and low to mid 7's to 62 in the best of conditions. Getting off the mark v quickly is not the TDi's strong point with DSG; just a matter of opinion but i reckon a very well driven manual car could match if not beat the times purely because of the more fluid clutch control.

Still reckon your looking at v low 7's to 60 and low to mid 7's to 62 in the best of conditions. Getting off the mark v quickly is not the TDi's strong point with DSG; just a matter of opinion but i reckon a very well driven manual car could match if not beat the times purely because of the more fluid clutch control.

impossible. Perfect gearchange Everytime. Proven by 3 runs within 0.1 seconds of each other. Did the same a few years ago in my old bora on the same strip and each run was wildly different.

A human brain and interaction can never beat a programmed piece of equipment for accuracy.

What's with such the downer on dsg anyway? It's going to be the norm soon.

You can get very quick starts in the diesel with launch control if you have good traction and then you manually change the gears at peak revs.

Its normally because people have manuals so have to justify why they don't like DSG. Thats what I iv found with the wheels i have on my car (the optional 19's) people had to come up with stupid justification such as wheel weights and road noise, then there was the lowering springs same issue haha.

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impossible. Perfect gearchange Everytime. Proven by 3 runs within 0.1 seconds of each other. Did the same a few years ago in my old bora on the same strip and each run was wildly different.

A human brain and interaction can never beat a programmed piece of equipment for accuracy.

What's with such the downer on dsg anyway? It's going to be the norm soon.

You can get very quick starts in the diesel with launch control if you have good traction and then you manually change the gears at peak revs.

Not so much a downer on DSG, i just dont think they mate with diesel engines as well as the petrols.

I find mine very sluggish off the line (it has a bit of turbo lag and the DSG accentuates it) and have decided for me personally the TDi's work better with a manual box. The 7 speed in my old Fabia vRS whilst not quite as smooth as the 6 speed was more urgent in getting off the mark (particularly in manual/S mode) and thumped through shifts at speed quicker lending itself adding a dimension to how the car drove......otherwise it handled like **** and had bad brakes but there we go.

I'm certainly not denying youve not timed your car to under 7 secs JRW, not for one minute but my standard Blackine DSG wagon feels no more than a late 7 0-60 car at best launch control or not.

Dont worry though i'll probably equally be bitching and griping how much I miss it when i take delivery of my new manual car and have had to shift my own gears for a while! :-)

Edited 31 January, 201412 yr by pipsyp

Brake.

No, break, its what will happen to the clutch

Warranty? Doesn't say in handbook not to use it

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Its normally because people have manuals so have to justify why they don't like DSG. Thats what I iv found with the wheels i have on my car (the optional 19's) people had to come up with stupid justification such as wheel weights and road noise, then there was the lowering springs same issue haha.

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Rob, no offence, but this is getting really old. You keep saying the same thing every single chance you get.

 

I was the one who asked you about the wheel weight and if you look around it is something that people who switch wheels around want to know. Especially the larger diameter you go, the bigger impact on weight. And this will have an impact on vehicle dynamics, like it or not. At that time I had just switched from the summer 18" to the winter 17" and having to carry the wheels around I did find the OEM 18" to be way heavier than the AM 17" ones.

 

You were the only one at the time who had them and they're not available in Romania even now. So yeah, I wanted to know how much they weigh. I thought forums were about information exchange. Can we get over it now?

 

PS: The people on this forum seem to be extremely touchy when it comes to even the slightest (even perceived) criticism. Is this an UK thing? :P

PPS: Sorry for the off-topic.

"I find mine very sluggish off the line (it has a bit of turbo lag and the DSG accentuates it)"

Forgive me if I'm mistaken, buy isn't this entire thread about launch control? LC totally negates any turbo lag and sluggishness by spooling everything up before take off and not letting the revs die off by not having TCS enabled.

Sluggish off the line saves tyres, for all other instances, there's LC.

To be fair, as the OP I did ask if it was any faster too so, its probably my fault but, thread directions are dynamic, live a little and go with it, you never it could be more interesting.

Regards

T

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"I find mine very sluggish off the line (it has a bit of turbo lag and the DSG accentuates it)"

Forgive me if I'm mistaken, buy isn't this entire thread about launch control? LC totally negates any turbo lag and sluggishness by spooling everything up before take off and not letting the revs die off by not having TCS enabled.

Sorry I was generalising and not being specific to LC. Just my opinion but having tried it once or twice in my own car I dont particularly rate it.

I found there was still slight delay between releasing the brakes and actually taking off then when you do take off (without lag ill give you that) most of the benefit gets lost in a pile of wheelspin and overrevving; 1st gear of course being extremely short.

Sure with some practise and using manual shifts I am sure you can improve things but it doesnt control the cars launch very well IMHO

I've just checked and my 150CR Elegance has this feature. It has manual transmission and when the clutch is down, the revs are limited to just over 2500. I'm not convinced this is a launch control feature, seems more like a rev limiting feature to me to protect the engine when stationary. With eco tips enabled, you also get a warning advising not to press the accelerator when stationary!

I've just checked and my 150CR Elegance has this feature. It has manual transmission and when the clutch is down, the revs are limited to just over 2500. I'm not convinced this is a launch control feature, seems more like a rev limiting feature to me to protect the engine when stationary.

You're right, It's not LC