Sorry double click, still running XP like a dog.

Edited 2 February, 201412 yr by themanwithnoaim

Posted twice, or worth repeating?

What a pity

It's a diesel Skoda, - low down torque, it's how you drive 'em, in the torque band. I've got a sports car if I want the adrenalin rush...

And no, I don't see the non- vRS diesel Octavia as a car I'd want to tune, it isn't meant to be in any way sporty, it's a first rate comfortable, economical, relaxing car for my long,boring, daily commute. I remain an incorrigible incurable petrol head, but horse for courses, hence the sports car for fast driving!!

Edited 2 February, 201412 yr by Timoctav

It's a diesel Skoda, - low down torque, it's how you drive 'em, in the torque band. I've got a sports car if I want the adrenalin rush...

 

It still has a red line, only not as high as a petrol  

It's a diesel Skoda, - low down torque, it's how you drive 'em, in the torque band. I've got a sports car if I want the adrenalin rush...

And no, I don't see the non- vRS diesel Octavia as a car I'd want to tune, it isn't meant to be in any way sporty, it's a first rate comfortable, economical, relaxing car for my long,boring, daily commute. I remain an incorrigible incurable petrol head, but horse for courses, hence the sports car for fast driving!!

Without wanting start a meaningless argument, why post within a dyno results thread when you appear to have no interest whatsoever in the vehicle invloved or content?

Edited 2 February, 201412 yr by Orville

Without wanting start a meaningless argument, why post within a dyno results thread when you appear to have no interest whatsoever in the vehicle invloved or content?

 

Because I'm technically interested. If you read back I was actually praising the dyno results...I was merely stating that the correct way to drive a diesel is to use the torque which does not need to rev to the limit to achieve, and as this tuning increases the torque significantly then it would not be necessary to drive any differently to obtain the benefits of it.

Tim, whilst you have another car for sporty drivng NOT everyone does, please bear that in mind when posting such comments.

 

Regards

T

Edited 3 February, 201412 yr by themanwithnoaim

Tim, whilst you have another car for sporty drivng NOT everyone does, please bear that in mind when posting such comments.

 

Regards

T

The point I'm trying to make is if I wanted a sporty Octavia I'd have purchased the vRS, which has the more sophisticated suspension and presumably (as I haven't driven one) responds much better to more spirited driving. Mine doesn't, it wallows and becomes a little bit barge like - it tells you in no uncertain terms that it isn't happy.

 

On the subject of owning a sports car they do not need to be flashy or expensive; one member here has a Mazda MX5 which is a really first class example of a good drivers car.

 

Yet more unecessary nit-picky criticism of other member's posts that seems to be so prevelent here

Edited 3 February, 201412 yr by Timoctav

Tim, I believe some folks on here want to maximise their engines with a tuning box, they may well also want to improve the handling of their car whilst maintaining ride comfort with Anit Roll Bars, they may also not have room or justification for two cars.  But, what I don't believe is that majority of people on here view their Skoda's as merely fuel effient wallowing barges, I kinda think they love them, cherish them even take pride in them and to those people, its your posts are the unecessary nit-picky criticism.

 

Dunno, that just my tupennies worth, others will no doubt see it differently.

 

Regards

T

To really extract the most performance from it (when not feeling eco concious) you'd have to rev it to at least 3.5k rpm to extract all 148 horses the peak power being between 3.5 and 4k rpm; appreciate the torque plateau has passed by then but that's what gets the car up and moving.

These new gen CR engines really are a massive improvement on the previous gen lumps. The car I drove had very un-diesel like power delivery; seemed almost as if the harder you revved it the more it went...sort of goading you into giving it a bit of a thrash. A bit like a TSi but with a distinct lack of available revs. More notably power didnt seem to noticeably tail off until beyond 4.5k rpm which was a surprise.

Im not so sure a standard 150 TDi car would stand up to 194hp particularly well with its smaller brakes and technically inferior suspension if pushed but imagine it'd be a riot in a straight line.

Guess a standard car would need at least 225 section rubber, lower/stiffer springs and some bigger front brakes really if you wanted to do it properly.

Q car anyone?

@ themanwithnoaim - You seem to imply that I am dissatisfied with my Octavia or critical of it. Nothing could be farther from the truth. It's a truly great car and I am extremely satisfied with it. It has exceeded my expectations by a fair margin, in my opinion it is a better car than the equivalent Golf or Seat; better than  a far more expensive BMW 123d I used to own for the purpose I use it. Please don't take my observations out of context. I don't believe anyone would buy a (non vRS) Octavia as an enthusiasts car for fast driving, it does not pretend to be something that it isn't, and for that I respect it. I can't think of a better car or better value car to comfortably and reliably carry a family around. In purely practical terms it is almost certainly all the car anyone would ever need.

 

But it doesn't like to be hustled quickly down a challenging road - that isn't what this particular version of the Octavia is designed for and that is why the vRS exists.

Edited 3 February, 201412 yr by Timoctav

 But, what I don't believe is that majority of people on here view their Skoda's as merely fuel effient wallowing barges, I kinda think they love them, cherish them even take pride in them and to those people, its your posts are the unecessary nit-picky criticism.

 

 

I like my Skoda as well. Oh, and it is a fuel efficient wallowing barge (what a fantastic name that is). You can like your car and at the same time drive like myself and Tim.

Hey, I can even have fun driving it even though I dont test the rev counter.

Oh, and considering i take pride in my Skoda, i think im in a position to say that no, Tims posts have shown no unnecessary nit picky criticism.

He purely pointed out how he drives his car, and why he drives it like that.

I like my Skoda as well. Oh, and it is a fuel efficient wallowing barge (what a fantastic name that is). You can like your car and at the same time drive like myself and Tim.

Hey, I can even have fun driving it even though I dont test the rev counter.

Oh, and considering i take pride in my Skoda, i think im in a position to say that no, Tims posts have shown no unnecessary nit picky criticism.

He purely pointed out how he drives his car, and why he drives it like that.

 

Thanks for your support JungleJames - just be careful you are not found guilty here by association.....

Edited 3 February, 201412 yr by Timoctav

To really extract the most performance from it (when not feeling eco concious) you'd have to rev it to at least 3.5k rpm to extract all 148 horses the peak power being between 3.5 and 4k rpm; appreciate the torque plateau has passed by then but that's what gets the car up and moving.

These new gen CR engines really are a massive improvement on the previous gen lumps. The car I drove had very un-diesel like power delivery; seemed almost as if the harder you revved it the more it went...sort of goading you into giving it a bit of a thrash. A bit like a TSi but with a distinct lack of available revs. More notably power didnt seem to noticeably tail off until beyond 4.5k rpm which was a surprise.

Im not so sure a standard 150 TDi car would stand up to 194hp particularly well with its smaller brakes and technically inferior suspension if pushed but imagine it'd be a riot in a straight line.

Guess a standard car would need at least 225 section rubber, lower/stiffer springs and some bigger front brakes really if you wanted to do it properly.

Q car anyone?

Spec the sports suspension when ordering, the 17" wheels come with 225/45/17 rubber (plenty), DSG box, one of Andrews magic boxes and possibly a 312mm brake upgrade................ Bobs your uncle.

 

My cars are supplied by my company and the Vrs is just out of reach.......but 445nm............what a result for the enthusiastic Sales Rep!!!!

Spec the sports suspension when ordering, the 17" wheels come with 225/45/17 rubber (plenty), DSG box, one of Andrews magic boxes and possibly a 312mm brake upgrade................ Bobs your uncle.

Yes, I agree that would do a lot to sharpen up the non vRS model's handling and performance if the

vRS itself is beyond your budget, although all those extras would probably take the price close to a base vRS if you started off with a 150bhp Elegance.

Edited 3 February, 201412 yr by Timoctav

Yes, I agree that would do a lot to sharpen up the non vRS model's handling and performance if the

vRS itself is beyond your budget, although all those extras would probably take the price close to a base vRS if you started off with a 150bhp Elegance.

You obviously have not seen the Irish price list and even leaving cost out of it, I could not swing my boss around to the Vrs but an Elegance with a few reasonably priced options............. now that's a different matter.

Add the DTUK box and hey presto.......... 445nm of torque (yes please Mr Bossman)

I know how good my 400nm Elegance goes, add about 20bhp and 45nm then subtract some weight............ I think you can see where I am going with this!!

Tapatalked from my G PAD 8.3

Thanks for your support JungleJames - just be careful you are not found guilty here by association.....

Ah, ive got more important things to worry about than what some people may think of me. Like the pirates knocking at my cabin door. Oh phew. they arent pirates

Ah, ive got more important things to worry about than what some people may think of me. Like the pirates knocking at my cabin door. Oh phew. they arent pirates

They're not pirates James, they're the anit-stall police, got it figured yet ?. 

 

I'm glad you two do like your cars even if you find it hard to appreciate others would like their's more if they went a little fast or even a lot faster.

 

Regards

T

They're not pirates James, they're the anit-stall police, got it figured yet ?.

I'm glad you two do like your cars even if you find it hard to appreciate others would like their's more if they went a little fast or even a lot faster.

Regards

T

I can assure you I like cars, they do not all have to be fast for me to appreciate them, but my Octavia is adequately fast for what it is. If others want their similar car to be that big quicker I can understand that. Me personally if I'd wanted a faster Octavia I would have purchased the vRS, but each to their own.

Edited 4 February, 201412 yr by Timoctav

The 150CR comes within a much more discreet package than the VRS. Tuning the engine above VRS performance will surprise quite a few people, plus for the rest of the time you'll have a more relaxed cruiser to trundle about in. For many people, tuning the 150CR will be much more attractive than buying a VRS TDI with the laters increased insurance, tyre prices, list price, RFL etc.

@ themanwithnoaim - You seem to imply that I am dissatisfied with my Octavia or critical of it. Nothing could be farther from the truth. It's a truly great car and I am extremely satisfied with it. It has exceeded my expectations by a fair margin, in my opinion it is a better car than the equivalent Golf or Seat; better than  a far more expensive BMW 123d I used to own for the purpose I use it. Please don't take my observations out of context. I don't believe anyone would buy a (non vRS) Octavia as an enthusiasts car for fast driving, it does not pretend to be something that it isn't, and for that I respect it. I can't think of a better car or better value car to comfortably and reliably carry a family around. In purely practical terms it is almost certainly all the car anyone would ever need.

 

But it doesn't like to be hustled quickly down a challenging road - that isn't what this particular version of the Octavia is designed for and that is why the vRS exists.

 

Great post. In my opinion, the VRS isn't great for being 'hustled quickly down a challenging road either'. For one, it doesn't seem to stop particularly well even with just the standard power. It is good for cornering though and of course doing it's main job of carrying a family around in comfort. 

 

It seems to me that some folks are really trying to transform this car into something that neither the designers nor the engineers ever had in mind. Again, it does it's main job well but it isn't and never was intended to be the BMW and Mercedes destroying rocket ship people try to turn them into and then claim they are.

Edited 4 February, 201412 yr by skovirg

The 150CR comes within a much more discreet package than the VRS. Tuning the engine above VRS performance will surprise quite a few people, plus for the rest of the time you'll have a more relaxed cruiser to trundle about in. For many people, tuning the 150CR will be much more attractive than buying a VRS TDI with the laters increased insurance, tyre prices, list price, RFL etc.

 

You may well be right and if the CR150 floats more peoples boats than the previous non vRS versions of the mk2 then that's no bad thing, but currently the vRS is sellng so well SUK have stopped the free servicing and 0% finance on it so that in itself says a lot. Andrew now supplies boxes for both mk3 vRS's now so fitting one of those would more than restore the power balance and don't forget to add in the other impovements in the handling and braking departments the vRS has too if the firmer ride doesn't concern you. Afterall it would be boring is we all wanted the same car and some will prefer to pay the extra in order to have the vRS experience. I'll be testing both petrol and diesel vRS and non vRS models next time so it'll be intersting to see how things have moved on.

They're not pirates James, they're the anit-stall police, got it figured yet ?. 

 

I'm glad you two do like your cars even if you find it hard to appreciate others would like their's more if they went a little fast or even a lot faster.

 

Regards

T

Anti stall police in the middle of the Arabian Sea? OK.

 

Oh, and nothing was ever said about anybody else. I can happily appreciate everything. Only mentioned how we ourselves drive.

So no, I dont think anybody is finding it hard to appreciate others' wishes. If anything, perhaps you are closer to that than anybody? Dont know.

I didnt want an Octy with Sports Suspension again but wanted a diesel as I still dont entirely trust the 1.4 TSi to be as efficient so a 2.0 TDi Elegance was my best option.

I think 194hp from the 150 engine is a great achievement but to do so without uprating the just about suitable 288mm brakes and the suspension for me would be a real no-no.

I wont want to change the suspension and I do have my concerns about warranty invalidation so i'll leave well alone.....if I get monumentally bored may toy with the idea of getting a vRS TSi or something similar in its place down the line.

I didnt want an Octy with Sports Suspension again but wanted a diesel as I still dont entirely trust the 1.4 TSi to be as efficient so a 2.0 TDi Elegance was my best option.

I think 194hp from the 150 engine is a great achievement but to do so without uprating the just about suitable 288mm brakes and the suspension for me would be a real no-no.

I wont want to change the suspension and I do have my concerns about warranty invalidation so i'll leave well alone.....if I get monumentally bored may toy with the idea of getting a vRS TSi or something similar in its place down the line.

Perhaps its just because ive come from an 8yr old car, but i find the brakes on the Octy Elegance to be perfectly suitable, and could easily take more power. Afterall, you cant legally travel in excess of 70mph. 80 if abroad. Well unless you really take it too extremes in Germany. The brakes stop the car very rapidly, no matter what the speed, and with very little brake fade.  

My old car in comparison sometimes feels like it has no brakes (and yes it does have legal brake pads). Thats how good the Octy is.