We headed to the dyno this morning with a Manual MK7 Vw Golf 2.0 TDI 150ps, our customer has been running the CRDT for a few weeks now and has been over the moon

I'll let the graph do the talking

196.1bhp and 327.8lbft/445nm

Nice result there!!

Some awesome gains there. 30% increase in power is very very impressive.

Did you dyno it before the tuning box out of interest to see the true stock power?

 

Before and after shows just how much you've really achieved and where the graphs differ.

A more complete picture if you like that will show more of the mid range torque increase.

 

The 150 figure is just a VW claim for peak power.

You can get a lot more info if you know how to read a graph.

 

On a diesel there are more important things than peak power.   But it's a good way to impress people.

 

The box I had on my Yeti had a large increase in midrange pull, far more important that it's top end bhp.

 

Just suggesting it as it gives customers a far better idea of the gains throughout the whole rev range.

Did you dyno it before the tuning box out of interest to see the true stock power?

Before and after shows just how much you've really achieved and where the graphs differ.

A more complete picture if you like that will show more of the mid range torque increase.

The 150 figure is just a VW claim for peak power.

You can get a lot more info if you know how to read a graph.

On a diesel there are more important things than peak power. But it's a good way to impress people.

The box I had on my Yeti had a large increase in midrange pull, far more important that it's top end bhp.

Just suggesting it as it gives customers a far better idea of the gains throughout the whole rev range.

We didn't dyno it beforehand as we didn't have time, and I'd love to see where and how you can pull the graph to pieces as its as good as any remap graph I've seen

Were you doing the 1.6 today as well, Andrew?

Were you doing the 1.6 today as well, Andrew?

We did do Brian and that was the surprise, it's the latest 1.6 from the same family as the new 2.0 150/184 rather than the earlier 1.6 currently used in non MQB cars

Without the box the car initially pulled 122bhp, but on the 2nd run it pulled 128.5bhp and 208.8lbft, with the box it produced 147.9bhp and 253.2lbft..

To be honest I want to try and borrow this car again and spend some more time both on the road (bum dyno) and on the dyno before I give a definitive answer.

It's certainly been another eye opening day today but as I promised the mrs I would be back by 12 o'clock I ran out of time, but I'm still sitting in the dog house

It would be nice to see before and after dyno readings back to back.

Know dynos can be various in their results but if the standard 1.6 figures are to be believed both 2.0's could well be banging out a bit more power than book suggests, or this one is just particularly healthy!

Know dynos can be various in their results but if the standard 1.6 figures are to be believed both 2.0's could well be banging out a bit more power than book suggests, or this one is just particularly healthy!

Well the 184 that we dynod at Shark in November was 179 standard against 226.. But as I've said we didn't have time to so the same today with the 150, maybe next time. Either way were one of the few companies that actually take the time to provide proof of what to expect after fitting one of our kits rather than just plucking figures out of the sky.

It would be nice to see before and after dyno readings back to back.

Before and after graphs for the 184 were published back in November 2013

We didn't dyno it beforehand as we didn't have time, and I'd love to see where and how you can pull the graph to pieces as its as good as any remap graph I've seen

Thank you for your lack of faith.

What I was actually trying to suggest was that before and after dunno runs would actually be more useful to YOU.

You don't know the real original bhp and you also can't show the impressive mid range torque gains you've probably made.

Which are more important than a peak bhp figure for showing an overall improvement in daily usability.

Thank you for your lack of faith.

What I was actually trying to suggest was that before and after dunno runs would actually be more useful to YOU.

You don't know the real original bhp and you also can't show the impressive mid range torque gains you've probably made.

Which are more important than a peak bhp figure for showing an overall improvement in daily usability.

After 3/4 months of grief regarding the 184 results I was hoping to keep this thread simpler and trouble free, and I'm well aware of the benefits of before and after feedback, but as I've already explained we simply didn't have the time to do both today.

After 3/4 months of grief regarding the 184 results I was hoping to keep this thread simpler and trouble free, and I'm well aware of the benefits of before and after feedback, but as I've already explained we simply didn't have the time to do both today.

I understand about the lack of time.

It would been simpler to just say about it in your response than go on the attack though and ask me about trying to pull the graph apart as I had no intention of doing that.

If anything, posting one graph alone potentially undersells what you have achieved.

Which you probably know, hence the tone of the response.

I think that it is fair to say that 196bhp and 327lb/ft are good results, irrespective of whether the stock car pushes 150 or 165bhp. With the tuning box the standard 2.0tdi is clearer stronger than the more sporty VRS TDI, and that cannot be bad. 145-150bhp from the 1.6tdi are also good numbers for such a small unit.

Before and after graphs for the 184 were published back in November 2013

But that's a different engine so not comparable. I find it astonishing that no comparison was performed, especially as many believe the 150 is punching above its weight from the factory. If the car's already strapped down on the dyno and the box is so quick and easy to fit why not take an additional five minutes to do a pre box run? It would have provided a valuable comparison and shown where the apparent increases were.

I'd have been interested to see what you would have got from the old 1.6 unit, or have you already done it?

But that's a different engine so not comparable. I find it astonishing that no comparison was performed, especially as many believe the 150 is punching above its weight from the factory. If the car's already strapped down on the dyno and the box is so quick and easy to fit why not take an additional five minutes to do a pre box run? It would have provided a valuable comparison and shown where the apparent increases were.

Here we go again...

Quote aimply we didn't have time, sorry I should say that a) the customer didn't have time as he was getting grief off his Mrs and there were other customers waiting to use the dyno so it wasn't possible..

Here we go again...

Quote aimply we didn't have time, sorry I should say that a) the customer didn't have time as he was getting grief off his Mrs and there were other customers waiting to use the dyno so it wasn't possible..

'Here we go again'? I'm a potential customer taking an interest in your product. That's not a great response. Neither was the one you have to Richard when he made a comment. Peak figures only tell half the story. You can gain double the power but if its moved the peak to 2,500 instead of 4,500rpm the car won't feel quick in terms of revving out. If it gains 60lb ft torque that's nice but where is it in the rev range comparable to the stock setup? If its moved the peak 1,000rpm up the graph then the car could feel flat low down and not be as driveable overall. Without a comparison to the actual stock figures and graph from the same car these questions plus more, are unanswered. No need to go on the defensive Andrew. Some of us have been around car tuning and spent just as many hours standing around whilst cars are being tested and dyno'ed as you have. A before and after graph, overlaid, ideally on a known 'good' dyno would be the minimum requirements from a few potential customers I know.

'Here we go again'? I'm a potential customer taking an interest in your product. That's not a great response. Neither was the one you have to Richard when he made a comment. Peak figures only tell half the story. You can gain double the power but if its moved the peak to 2,500 instead of 4,500rpm the car won't feel quick in terms of revving out. If it gains 60lb ft torque that's nice but where is it in the rev range comparable to the stock setup? If its moved the peak 1,000rpm up the graph then the car could feel flat low down and not be as driveable overall. Without a comparison to the actual stock figures and graph from the same car these questions plus more, are unanswered. No need to go on the defensive Andrew. Some of us have been around car tuning and spent just as many hours standing around whilst cars are being tested and dyno'ed as you have. A before and after graph, overlaid, ideally on a known 'good' dyno would be the minimum requirements from a few potential customers I know.

My comment of here we again again is that yet again I am having to repeat myself, I had already said that've didn't have time to so a before and after run with the 150..

We headed to the dyno this morning with a Manual MK7 Vw Golf 2.0 TDI 150ps, our customer has been running the CRDT for a few weeks now and has been over the moon

I'll let the graph do the talking

196.1bhp and 327.8lbft/445nm

 

 

Wow!!

 

The shove from 2000rpm to 3000rpm must be immense. (for a lowly little 150CR)

In all fairness Andrew did state they didn't have time very early in the thread.

I think everyone knows it would be better to have a stock graph to compare but that hasn't been done and listing the benefits of having one isn't going to turn back time and make a graph appear now.

I'm sure all points are indeed valid but what he has is what he has

Edited 1 February, 201412 yr by kenny

Look, we'll easily settle this.

 

I'll come down, you can do a stock dyno run.  Put a box on and do another dyno run.

 

For my trouble I'll just go home with the box on!

Sheldon,

would do the same if only 1) were not overseas and 2) the Octy were already here

 

The graphs comparison would be definitely interesting, although I bet the ECU might need some time to adapt between the two situations (with and w/o the box).

 

@Andrew: do you remember the settings for this run? 4+1, or what?

 

I'm sure 195bhp and 4x4 would make me a rather amused driver

Map 4 plus 1 produced the figures above