1 minute ago, xman said:

1.8 secs 

 

When driving off a cliff edge 

Or about 18 seconds in the 1.4Tsi slayer version.

24 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

M4 acceleration 30-70mph 2.8seconds for comparison. What does a Superb do it in?

Answer my own question 4.1 seconds with 100-200kph in 15.6 seconds.

Just now, shyVRS245 said:

Answer my own question 4.1 seconds with 100-200kph in 15.6 seconds.

 

Is that before or after you've taken your Viagra tab?

1 hour ago, KeteCantek said:

Maybe someone try a race with a 2k rpm limit!

 

Apparently that's how Octavia's race?! 

1 hour ago, shyVRS245 said:

Well my humble Octavia has 350lb/ft or torque at 2,000rpm which is more important when it comes to mid-range acceleration. 30-70mph (50-110kph) takes 4.2seconds.

Is it really 350lb/ft? That's like 450nm which is the higher end of a good remap. 

 

1 hour ago, shyVRS245 said:

Well my humble Octavia has 350lb/ft or torque at 2,000rpm which is more important when it comes to mid-range acceleration. 30-70mph (50-110kph) takes 4.2seconds.

And yet, with your 350lb-ft you are 50% slower in the 30-70 run compared to the M4 that shows just 240 lb ft at the same RPM in the graph but does it in 2.8", any idea why?   (Hint: It's called gearing)

Which goes back to my first message that the values at 2K rpm are irrelevant for bragging rights because no-ones races at that rpm... 

Edited 12 April, 20197 yr by newbie69

54 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

Answer my own question 4.1 seconds with 100-200kph in 15.6 seconds.

 

A stock Superb faster than the super duper stage 2 Octavia with the 53.9bhp extra?  You better not race any tuned ones then!

Unless of-course you make a gentlemen's agreement to keep it polite at a fixed 2K rpm

3 minutes ago, newbie69 said:

A stock Superb faster than the super duper stage 2 Octavia with the 53.9bhp extra?  You better not race any tuned ones then!

Unless of-course you make a gentlemen's agreement to keep it polite at a fixed 2K rpm

Mine's not limited to 250kph fortunately like yours.

13 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

Mine's not limited to 250kph fortunately like yours.

And I thought the "2K rpm fixed" race was the funniest thing I had heard of today 

Didn't spot any Superb's at Snetterton last November probably because they like 4,000rpm off the line with Launch Control and their brakes overheat on a track after 2 laps due to all that weight to haul around. Santa Pod specialists. One trick ponies.

58 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

Mine's not limited to 250kph fortunately like yours.

Dammit! I am actually up for a 2k rpm limit race ..Just saying. Very curious

1 minute ago, KeteCantek said:

Dammit! I am actually up for a 2k rpm limit race ..Just saying. Very curious

Think you will find all I said was that my car has a lot of torque at 2,000rpm, it was a Superb owner that came up with the silly 2,000rpm race.

52 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

Didn't spot any Superb's at Snetterton last November probably because they like 4,000rpm off the line with Launch Control and their brakes overheat on a track after 2 laps due to all that weight to haul around. Santa Pod specialists. One trick ponies.

Not that most people would give one sh%^ about it but Snetterton is not really a place for an Octavia either but maybe it's that "vRS" badge that confuses some owners that their wagon is a track focused car?  
Pads are fading after 3 laps as well, and as for brake fluid it boils too easily if you know how to drive it but maybe you were there for the Instagram and FB pics? In that case you'd be fine for several laps I agree.


 

2 hours ago, shyVRS245 said:

M4 acceleration 30-70mph 2.8seconds for comparison. What does a Superb do it in?

Just looked up an old log and apparently mine did it in 3.86", but that was only Map 2 and at a 1% uphill so the car was not really showing its best   

Of-course that's already much faster than 335.9 bhp Octavias even though we need to repeat that they have 350lb-ft at 2K rpm for whoever didn't catch it yet




 

Edited 12 April, 20197 yr by newbie69

Any bets as to where is the desperate "my tuned Octavia is better" crusade  going next to make an argument? 

I'm saying fuel economy and all Superb 280 owners are just suckers that are wasting their money when all the car they need is there in the form of the Octavia wagon (which I personally find a very decent offering I have to say)

Edited 12 April, 20197 yr by newbie69

Just for your info my car has stainless steel HEL uprated brake lines and DOT5.1 Motorsport spec brake fluid so no fade or boiling that any standard car suffers from.

Just now, shyVRS245 said:

Just for your info my car has stainless steel HEL uprated brake lines and DOT5.1 Motorsport spec brake fluid so no fade or boiling that any standard car suffers from.

As a former GTI Clubsport owner that was tracking his car I can see the reason behind these upgrades, which is why the previous argument is again irrelevant though since we were comparing stock cars.

A Superb with upgraded lines pads and fluid would also cope fine with enthusiast track use so...

You will be claiming that  your Superb is more fun than the GTi Clubsport next?

25 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

You will be claiming that  your Superb is more fun than the GTi Clubsport next?

That's a good question actually. There seems to be a misunderstanding on what is "driving fun" and the term has definitely been abused by pseudo-purists for years.

In the case of a FWD Clubsport vs AWD Superb, the Clubsport was definitely a more rewarding car when pushing on. Quicker response, clearer feed-back, tighter control. However, the thing is modern cars with modern suspensions are so  advanced and capable in general which is why you see 1600kg, 1800kg, even 2ton cars making stupid amounts of power and still keeping it in control quite easily. I personally would have never expected that in the Superb I'd be able to carry as much speed around mid to large corners as I did in the Clubsport, but somehow I am doing it. The level has been raised so much that in my opinion you can't really feel any such car (powerful mid-size sedan) under-performing on a public road compared to a hot-hatch, unless maybe you live in some remote, full of twisty roads area of Scotland or similar.  As such, the opportunity for the more focused cars to show their strengths is more limited than it was, at least for my usage and where I live.

On the other hand, the AWD for a, long-time high power FWD driver like me was a proper revelation. I am sure you can relate with all the frustration when traction was lost in all the occasions I wrote a few posts back. The car might have been making 370bhp but only under pre-requisites. And when those were not or could not be met it wasn't fun at all. Now, I just floor it and go. There, all the power, available at will. No need to do stupid speeds to keep away from wheel-spin, I can always have a laugh during the shortest piece of road if I feel like (conditions allowing). Oh, and the ferocity and effect of launching from a standstill (especially with more power) is something that just can't be matched by any FWD. Corner exit is the same. It just grips and goes, every time. Some will say it's boring (similar to the manual vs DSG debate) but I say it's funny. I don't know why consistent, strong performance would be a negative. Yes the car could be sharper but that does not negate its current abilities. And for now they are a trade-off I am happily making compared to the GTI.

So, not the same type of fun maybe, but definitely a fun nonetheless.

 

Edited 12 April, 20197 yr by newbie69

Agree with your points on traction but did you switch because you needed a bigger car or was 4WD the main reason. Just curious because I downsized from a 2016 Superb, petrol/manual, because it was too large for the wife to drive whereas she can park the Octavia and enjoys the noises it makes (even though she has no idea where/why the noises come from).

Edited 12 April, 20197 yr by shyVRS245
MISSING WORD

And the Performance / Handling / Feedback / Control etc etc debate goes on , all the more gripping when it's about Skoda products (apart from the recent Golf intervention  ) .. who would have imagined this happening 20 years ago (or even 10 years) .   Looking forward to round 2 , or is it 3 ... I've lost count .

Edited 12 April, 20197 yr by Boxerdog1

11 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

Agree with your points on traction but did you switch because you needed a bigger car or was 4WD the main reason. Just curious because I downsized from a 2016 Superb, petrol/manual, because it was too large for the wife to drive whereas she can park the Octavia and enjoys the noises it makes (even though she has no idea where/why the noises come from).

Well, the official justification that was used was that we needed more space which was partially true. But I loved the engine from my time with it and would be eager to take it to much higher levels if it would not have been on a FWD platform. Having experienced how ruthlessly the 420bhp Golf 7R of a friend was putting the power down - while I was struggling on a weaker car - pretty much sealed the decision for me to focus on AWD variants exclusively. I was looking at R estates, Cupra 4Drive estates and the new Ateca Cupra but in the end I preferred the lines of the hatch Sportline to all of those cars and the fact it blows them away in terms of usable space and cabin comfort/luxuries. All other 3 may have a large boot too but cabin space they are clearly behind the Superb. The bigger dimensions don't bother me, I don't drive it in a crowded city and I've already got used to it, wife drives her C3 and everybody's happy.

1 hour ago, newbie69 said:

That's a good question actually. There seems to be a misunderstanding on what is "driving fun" and the term has definitely been abused by pseudo-purists for years.

In the case of a FWD Clubsport vs AWD Superb, the Clubsport was definitely a more rewarding car when pushing on. Quicker response, clearer feed-back, tighter control. However, the thing is modern cars with modern suspensions are so  advanced and capable in general which is why you see 1600kg, 1800kg, even 2ton cars making stupid amounts of power and still keeping it in control quite easily. I personally would have never expected that in the Superb I'd be able to carry as much speed around mid to large corners as I did in the Clubsport, but somehow I am doing it. The level has been raised so much that in my opinion you can't really feel any such car (powerful mid-size sedan) under-performing on a public road compared to a hot-hatch, unless maybe you live in some remote, full of twisty roads area of Scotland or similar.  As such, the opportunity for the more focused cars to show their strengths is more limited than it was, at least for my usage and where I live.

On the other hand, the AWD for a, long-time high power FWD driver like me was a proper revelation. I am sure you can relate with all the frustration when traction was lost in all the occasions I wrote a few posts back. The car might have been making 370bhp but only under pre-requisites. And when those were not or could not be met it wasn't fun at all. Now, I just floor it and go. There, all the power, available at will. No need to do stupid speeds to keep away from wheel-spin, I can always have a laugh during the shortest piece of road if I feel like (conditions allowing). Oh, and the ferocity and effect of launching from a standstill (especially with more power) is something that just can't be matched by any FWD. Corner exit is the same. It just grips and goes, every time. Some will say it's boring (similar to the manual vs DSG debate) but I say it's funny. I don't know why consistent, strong performance would be a negative. Yes the car could be sharper but that does not negate its current abilities. And for now they are a trade-off I am happily making compared to the GTI.

So, not the same type of fun maybe, but definitely a fun nonetheless.

 

I can't recommend this enough. The world has been fed a lot of 'what is a fun car to drive' by motor journos especially. 

 

I mean how many people can appreciate steering by throttle, more so on public roads. End of the day there are different types of fun to be had driving. I had fun driving a fiat500 from Glasgow to London once through the Yorkshire Moors. To me, driving a super smooth riding, super quiet barge itself is a fun (different sort of fun) thing too. 

 

Another thing that grates me is not enough attention is given to ride quality and NVH by motor reviews nowadays. Very relevant when it's a boggo family car that isn't going to be trashed. I'd trade sharp steering for better NVH easily if I know how I want to mainly use the car. 

 

 

2 minutes ago, KeteCantek said:

I can't recommend this enough. The world has been fed a lot of 'what is a fun car to drive' by motor journos especially. 

 

I mean how many people can appreciate steering by throttle, more so on public roads. End of the day there are different types of fun to be had driving. I had fun driving a fiat500 from Glasgow to London once through the Yorkshire Moors. To me, driving a super smooth riding, super quiet barge itself is a fun (different sort of fun) thing too. 

 

Another thing that grates me is not enough attention is given to ride quality and NVH by motor reviews nowadays. Very relevant when it's a boggo family car that isn't going to be trashed. I'd trade sharp steering for better NVH easily if I know how I want to mainly use the car. 

 

 

To be honest none of us should try to appreciate steering by throttle on public roads ... leave it for the track  ... and just appreciate what a very nice big decently powered and reasonably economic barge our 280 Mk3's are . 

On 05/01/2019 at 20:36, xman said:

 

 

But you are right, its not possible to guess what the optimum acceleration is, for fuel economy,

On the contrary, its WOT, wide open throttle then coasting down to the lower set point then WOT again, its what all the economy record attempt vehicles do together with all the other frictional, reciprocating, rolling and wind resistance reductions.

 

The upper and lower RPM points would have been calculated from similar graphs to yours but from memory a different term was used.

39 minutes ago, Boxerdog1 said:

To be honest none of us should try to appreciate steering by throttle on public roads ... leave it for the track  ... and just appreciate what a very nice big decently powered and reasonably economic barge our 280 Mk3's are . 

That's the thing, but you will read about a road test that describes how well a car can steer by throttle.