Scout off road mode upgrade?

[daljames]

Hi people,

 

I have no update, no just a reminder, if anyone has a MY16 Scout with offroad mode and has VCDS, would you be able to send a scan of both the coding and adaptation channels for the central electrics, ABS, AWD, DSG (if its an auto), engine and for the MIB2. It would be greatly appreciated by a few of us on here if i can figure out the differences!

 

Thanks in advance!!

[pist0nbr0ke]

Watching with interest, be good to know if this can be enabled on a 4x4 vrs.

[hitmn]

sure it can ! come on people .... there is no way someone hasnt get a scout with offroad

[StanK]

Hi. I have off road mode in my scout. Gladly to help you, but you have to exactly write me step by step what and where to find what you ask for.

[Jono]

I Have a MY16 Scout with offroad mode, but no VCDS.

 

If someone near Nottingham wanted to scan the car, that's fine by me.

Would be up for having some features enabled on my car too.

[trundlenut]

I Have a MY16 Scout with offroad mode, but no VCDS.

If someone near Nottingham wanted to scan the car, that's fine by me.

Would be up for having some features enabled on my car too.

I should be picking up my MY16 Scout tomorrow. And I have vcds.

I can sort out any changes you want too.

[silver1011]

Just had the twin rear fogs, cornering front fog lights and the needle sweep from the vRS enabled on my Scout 

[Jono]

I should be picking up my MY16 Scout tomorrow. And I have vcds.

I can sort out any changes you want too.

 

Oooooh, Have a good day tomorrow then! 

 

 

 

...and I seem to recall offering you beer sometime last year!

Would an evening or weekend suit best?

 

Edited 5 September, 2016 by Jono

[Rodge]

It seems pretty unlikely that it's going to be possible to enable this just by tweaking a few configuration parameters. It's almost certainly going to need a software upgrade. Why would cars produced before this feature was offered contain the relevant software?

[flybynite]

It seems pretty unlikely that it's going to be possible to enable this just by tweaking a few configuration parameters. It's almost certainly going to need a software upgrade. Why would cars produced before this feature was offered contain the relevant software?

Have you looked through the adaptions in the software using VCDS or VCP?

The average Skoda features software for things that were, and probably will never be, fitted (head up display for example) adaptions are there, just switched off. If the hardware is there then it is distinctly possible if maps from one can be compared to another to see the differences.

The question is more down to hardware or control modules but what differences there are between scouts of different years or different 4x4s of the same year you can only know by checking.

I have maps from a MY16 'normal' 4x4 to throw into the mix if someone thinks they may be useful for comparison, just pm me

[trundlenut]

Oooooh, Have a good day tomorrow then! 

 

 

 

...and I seem to recall offering you beer sometime last year!

Would an evening or weekend suit best?

 

 

Haven't got the car yet.  I've managed to lose the V5 for my current car, so it's all on hold until a new V5 turns up from the DVLA.

 

A weekend will probably be easiest for me.

[daljames]

Haven't got the car yet.  I've managed to lose the V5 for my current car, so it's all on hold until a new V5 turns up from the DVLA.

 

A weekend will probably be easiest for me.

 

Ok thats great trundle, once you have the car (and you're going to love it!) and had a play yourself, I shall post what we need to look at. Basically, it'll be 09 Central Electrics, 03 ABS and possibly the infotainment.

[hitmn]

can't eat, can't sleep ... waiting for the scan ....

[trundlenut]

Right, I have the car.  I've just been out and done an Autoscan.  What is needed?

[daljames]

Hi Trundle,

 

If you're sure you know what you've got yourself in for here! Although if you do, we appreciate it!

 

OK,  here goes...

 

We need the adaptation maps for all modules mentioned below, however we also need the long coding for some of the following (which i've added);

 

01-Engine, 03-ABS (require long coding), 09-Central Electrics (Require long coding, in particular if you can check byte 15 and report specifically on this one as well), 44-Steering Assist (require long coding particularly byte 0), 5F-Information Electr (long coding as well).

 

For the long coding you can either type it out or just take a screen shot i guess(?). For the specific bytes mentioned, just type the two letter/numbers would be great.

 

Good luck!  09 and 5F will take a LONG time! THANK YOU GOOD SIR!!

 

FYI on how to capture an adaptation map. If you can do it in the .csv file please.

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/index.php?act=findpost&pid=3916936

Edited 16 September, 2016 by daljames

[trundlenut]

Right been out and done the adaption maps etc., here they are:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (J623-CRMB)       Labels: 04L-907-309-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 04L 906 026 BQ    HW: 04L 907 309 R
   Component: R4 2,0L EDC   H21 1199  
   Revision: B5H21---    
   Coding: 01190012032701090000
   Shop #: WSC 73430 031 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TDI01104L906026BQ 002002
   ROD: EV_ECM20TDI01104L906026BN.rod
   VCID: 7AF1B08BFDBA4392E6-802E

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 5Q0-907-379-ESP-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 3Q0 907 379 T    HW: 3Q0 907 379 C
   Component: ESC           H32 0393  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 61325000001601
   Coding: 1C078A912421896E007C070841C4293851249100E08294FA00630070E009
   Shop #: WSC 73430 031 00063
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100ESP 034033
   ROD: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100ESP_SK37.rod
   VCID: 4B9F254FE2A00A1A0D-801E

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 5Q0-937-08X-HV1.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 937 086 AK    HW: 5Q0 937 086 AK
   Component: BCM PQ37BOSCH 028 0162  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 86581905151016
   Coding: 0F000842424702FB07A04082B10C07280000000000000000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_BodyContrModul1UDSBosc 015002
   ROD: EV_BCMBOSCH_SK37.rod
   VCID: 030FCD6F8A70025AB5-8056

   Control Unit For Wiper Motor: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5E2 955 119     HW: 5E2 955 119   Labels: 5QX-955-119-V1.CLB
   Component: WWS371 150503  041 0570 
   Serial number:         150511204127
   Coding: 065DDD

   Rain Light Recognition Sensor: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5Q0 955 547 A    HW: 5Q0 955 547 A  Labels: 5Q0-955-547.CLB
   Component: RLHS  037 0059 
   Serial number: S5Y15M05D27H14M21S01
   Coding: 00885D

   Sensor For Anti Theft Alarm System: 
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5Q0 951 171     HW: 5Q0 951 171 
   Component: Sensor, DWA  005 0315 
   Serial number: 000000000ZY150641D9H

   Alarm horn: 
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 5Q0 951 605     HW: 5Q0 951 605 
   Component: Sirene, DWA  004 0311 
   Serial number: 00000000000032338216

   Relative Air Humidity Interior Sender: 

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 44: Steering Assist (J500)       Labels: 5Q0-909-144.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 909 144 R    HW: 5Q0 909 144 R
   Component: EPS_MQB_ZFLS  125 1061  
   Coding: 9103
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SteerAssisMQB 012140
   ROD: EV_SteerAssisMQB_VW37.rod
   VCID: 438F0D6FCAF0C25AF5-8016

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels: 3V0-035-MIB-STD2.clb
   Part No SW: 5Q0 035 874 A    HW: 5Q0 035 874 A
   Component: MU-S-ND-ER    H24 0241  
   Serial number: SKZAZ2R8581678
   Coding: 03734201FF00000011111201008800002F0202C601208100C6
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00063
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MUStd4CTSAT 001022
   ROD: EV_MUStd4CTSAT_SK26.rod
   VCID: 326158AB654A7BD26E-8066

   Operating And Display Unit 1: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5E0 919 605 J    HW: 5E0 919 605 J
   Component: ABT_Std-2_Nav  H41 1028 
   Serial number: SKZ8Z9RBT0017E      

   Data medium: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5L0 051 236 L    HW: -----------
   Component: ECE1 2016/17  --- 0635 
   Serial number: --------------------

No fault code found.

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Byte 0 on 44-Steering Assist is as follows:

 

 

And the various adaptation maps are:

adpmap-01-04L-906-026-BQ.CSV

adpmap-03-3Q0-907-379-T.CSV

adpmap-5F-5Q0-035-874-A.CSV

adpmap-09-5Q0-937-086-AK.CSV

adpmap-44-5Q0-909-144-R.CSV

 

I missed getting Byte 15 on the CE, I'll grab a screenshot tomorrow..

 

Found it

 

Edited 18 September, 2016 by trundlenut

[daljames]

You're a gentleman!

 

I have some study to do on the info and comparisons. This will take me a few days to go through. Hopefully i will figure it out soon!

 

Thank you once again!

[CFBScout]

I wouldn't get too excited, even if you can enable it, other than the HDC the 4x4 is pants, see my post................

 

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/411826-scout-off-road-4x4-system-issues/

[PetrolDave]

I wouldn't get too excited, even if you can enable it, other than the HDC the 4x4 is pants, see my post................

 

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/411826-scout-off-road-4x4-system-issues/

Sounds like the is something wrong on that Scout, as you say in the thread the Haldex "should" have engaged but didn't - I would have a look with VCDS at the Haldex controller for fault codes and/or incorrect settings before going to a dealer.

 

I used to have a MY2000 Audi S3 with a much earlier version of Haldex and that most definitely connected drive to the rear wheels after a brief spin of the front wheels (but newer Haldex software versions allow even less front wheel slip than that). In snow and ice, even on performance orientated summer tyres, it was mighty impressive.

Edited 19 September, 2016 by PetrolDave

[CFBScout]

I don't have VCDS so can't check myself, under warranty so dealer will have to be contacted

[flybynite]

Sounds like the is something wrong on that Scout, as you say in the thread the Haldex "should" have engaged but didn't - I would have a look with VCDS at the Haldex controller for fault codes and/or incorrect settings before going to a dealer.

 

I used to have a MY2000 Audi S3 with a much earlier version of Haldex and that most definitely connected drive to the rear wheels after a brief spin of the front wheels (but newer Haldex software versions allow even less front wheel slip than that). In snow and ice, even on performance orientated summer tyres, it was mighty impressive.

 + 1

 

I think there must be something wrong. MY16 has the Haldex 5 which doesn't even need the front wheels to spin to send power rear. It can pre-empt it in a lot of situations.

 

90 degree turns on wet slimy roads I can feel the back working, Have not had mine break traction once in situations that leave our 2wd machines scrabbling for grip.

 

Stick a bit of a load in the trailer and our FWD Ford won't look at some hills. Same engine and Haldex 4 doesn't bat an eyelid, it must be doing something. You can see it in the tyre wear FWD vs Haldex, especially gen 4 and 5

 

People blame the Haldex a lot when it is down to other things. The systems are quite complicated and a lot of things have to work together.

 

These days the system uses the brake to slow a spinning wheel instead of a diff-lock or LSD. Something like a duff wheel sensor would mean it does not sense the spinning wheel, does not brake it, and you go nowhere. 

 

As said above I would be looking for faults but could be a lot more than the haldex controller.

[CFBScout]

Thanks, I also find if I pull out of a junction sharply on a wet road I also get some wheel spin and little progress, other AWD cars I've driven pull away cleanly even in the wet as the systems often pre-load the haldex a bit to aid a standing start

[PetrolDave]

Thanks, I also find if I pull out of a junction sharply on a wet road I also get some wheel spin and little progress, other AWD cars I've driven pull away cleanly even in the wet as the systems often pre-load the haldex a bit to aid a standing start

Something is definitely wrong then, a few weeks ago I was in a friends 4x4 Superb estate and as well as feeling the transfer to the rear wheels on slippery sections of road, there was no wheel spin on pulling away from steep uphill T-junctions.

Edited 19 September, 2016 by PetrolDave

[silver1011]

+1, I haven't been able to properly test the Haldex on my MY16 Scout but when pulling out onto fast roads with close to full lock and full power I can feel the rear traction.

 

To be sat on a gravel incline with the fronts spinning away and the rears doing nothing confirms something isn't right.

[hitmn]

I havent been able too achieve any progress. I have only 3 byte that can change. But none of the 3 enable offroad. Im starting to think that need coding, adaptation and something else ...