12 degrees here on the Fylde today, and it actually stopped raining at lunch time.

sods law mega mild here too, still raining on way home though 

Yes. I agree with a white Xmas Wayne.........................................In Finland

Flying pigs and too?

When it gets consistently cold, I'll put them back on Wayne

They are already on the other car...no plans to take them off at all from that

When it gets consistently cold, I'll put them back on Wayne

They are already on the other car...no plans to take them off at all from that

Put flying pigs on your car?

Reminds me of Chitty-Chitty Bang Bang

Zoom- Zoom!!    

14 degrees at 7.00am this morning in York.

 

My winters tyres were sweating 

14 degrees at 7.00am this morning in York.

 

My winters tyres were sweating 

Rather that, than your summers WETTING themselves at sub-7 degrees!

I could get the crappy EO contis to virtual melt on the Fabia VRS in the not that warm conditions.  The Nexen and Kumho All Seasons, great Korean technology much like the Korean cars, seem to cope with current warm spell even banging 200 hp through them though I think it is the braking that cooks the tyres rather than the accelerating IMO.  Somewhat an advantage, like of seen in Touring car racing, that having the driving and braking wheels the same kills the tyres quickly but having the driven and braking/steering wheels different spreads the (over) heating more evenly.   

Edited 18 December, 201510 yr by lol-lol

Im glad ive not put mine on yet,ive had my winter wheels & tyres for 3 years now & ive used them for the total of 3 weeks.....  sods law is as soon as i sell them we will get the worse winter in years....  :p

Winter wheels resprayed, new winter tyres fitted, sitting in the garage waiting for it to get down below 10 degrees.  Sounds like it might be a while.......

Edited 18 December, 201510 yr by keystonedriving

Winter wheels resprayed, new winter tyres fitted, sitting in the garage waiting for it to get down below 10 degrees.  Sounds like it might be a while.......

 

In Cornwall?

 

Occasional light showers? CHECK!

Howling gales? CHECK!

Freezing weather? Unlikely.

Snow? Wait for Hell to freeze over!

Im glad ive not put mine on yet,ive had my winter wheels & tyres for 3 years now & ive used them for the total of 3 weeks.....  sods law is as soon as i sell them we will get the worse winter in years....  :p

 

Possible but El Nino/Climate Change seams to be more about flooding this year rather than heavy snow but with so much moisture around and if we get a temperature dip of a dozen degrees in Jan/Feb we could hot record snow falls after the record rains we have had.

 

Trick is not to have Winter tyres but All Season one in England at least.  Only the Scottish Highlands really need full Winters in the UK, it ain't Norway/Canada yet, well not unless the Golf Stream stops.  

Nonsense

You don't live in the North England do you lol-lol

Up here in the North, we never have a frost?

Never have ungritted roads?

Never have temperatures below 7C?

Never have any snow?

 

Granted, its not like this this year,,,Yet

But in subsequent years it has been

Nonsense

You don't live in the North England do you lol-lol

Up here in the North, we never have a frost?

Never have ungritted roads?

Never have temperatures below 7C?

Never have any snow?

Granted, its not like this this year,,,Yet

But in subsequent years it has been

 

I live in the region which records the lowest English temperatures ie The Midlands.  (No mention of yorkshire there)

Also drive on Dartmoor oft and, although as about South as you can go conditions are quite challenging, hence Marines and SAS use the Welsh mountains and Dartmoor.

 

http://blog.metoffice.gov.uk/2012/10/16/top-ten-coldest-recorded-temperatures-in-the-uk/ 

 

Top ten coldest recorded temperatures in the UK

 

This lists the lowest temperatures recorded in separate cold spells since 1961.

    Date Station Area Temperature

1 10 January 1982 Braemar East Scotland -27.2 °C

1 30 December 1995 Altnaharra No 2 North Scotland -27.2 °C

3 13 December 1981 Shawbury Midlands -25.2 °C

4 13 January 1979 Carnwath West Scotland -24.6 °C

5 20 January 1984 Grantown-On-Spey East Scotland -23.6 °C

6 27 January 1985 Lagganlia North Scotland -23.4 °C

7 13 January 1987 Caldecott P Sta Midlands -23.3 °C

 

Nearest weather station to me recorded this a few years ago...http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/dec/20/chill-record-worcester-pershore-festive

 

I think you mis-understand what All Weather do.  

Here is Auto Express recent test of All Seasons against best Summer and Winter.

All Season operate in their key design parameters down to -5C.

 

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/accessories-tyres/92873/all-season-tyre-test-2015-results-by-category

Edited 18 December, 201510 yr by lol-lol

You are saying the same as me...

 

 

It was the claim that the tyre manufacturers are making their summer tyres perform worse in the wet than they used to in an effort to persuade people to buy all-seasons or winters that I'm not sure of. I can't see why they'd do it for it for the reasons mentioned above.

 

I don't know enough about tyre design to know if this is actually happening or not, hence the original question.

You are saying the same as me...

 

 

It was the claim that the tyre manufacturers are making their summer tyres perform worse in the wet than they used to in an effort to persuade people to buy all-seasons or winters that I'm not sure of. I can't see why they'd do it for it for the reasons mentioned above.

 

I don't know enough about tyre design to know if this is actually happening or not, hence the original question.

Making it a better summer tyre and improving handling and summer grip/stability and also noise/rolling resistance is almost always going to affect it's performance on the white stuff and in the cold.

I don't think they're making the summer tyres worse in winter on purpose, it's just a side effect of making them better summers.

The real problem is most people are picking the wrong tyres and car manufacturers are supplying them with the wrong tyres for the majority of our market.

Of course the blocky tyres could increase the emissions ratings, which might have something to do with it.

I would say buyers are lured in to buying cars that look good on wide summer tyres without actually knowing that a car with half, or quarter, of the power on all season etc can be as quick in the wet.  

 

Audi R8 versus 1.4 Octy in the rain/wet.  Darwin rules.

 

That's funny..

In car video, no helmet.

Out of car driver with a helmet.

That's funny..In car video, no helmet.Out of car driver with a helmet.

Since the 1.4 tsi octy probably lost at least two seconds down the straight compared to to R8 the octy was probably quicker round the corners.

Edited 18 December, 201510 yr by lol-lol

Possible but El Nino/Climate Change seams to be more about flooding this year rather than heavy snow but with so much moisture around and if we get a temperature dip of a dozen degrees in Jan/Feb we could hot record snow falls after the record rains we have had.

 

Trick is not to have Winter tyres but All Season one in England at least.  Only the Scottish Highlands really need full Winters in the UK, it ain't Norway/Canada yet, well not unless the Golf Stream stops.  

I'm more than aware of All Season tyres..I was referring to this

I'm more than aware of All Season tyres..I was referring to this

 

Point is All Seasons are quite capable of handling mud, snow and temperature down to -5C at the very least.

 

Unless you are in snow week after week I do not see the trade of the slightly better snow performance, even that debatable by the AE report, than having to use H or below rated tyres that tend to be less stiff carcass, noisier and less economical.

 

3 cars on All Seasons, one on Winters currently and all ready for whatever we get, maybe even the -20C we sometimes get here though hopefully not needed and just the cold and wet weather to handle.

Edited 18 December, 201510 yr by lol-lol

Point is All Seasons are quite capable of handling mud, snow and temperature down to -5C at the very least.

 

Unless you are in snow week after week I do not see the trade of the slightly better snow performance, even that debatable by the AE report, than having to use H or below rated tyres that tend to be less stiff carcass, noisier and less economical.

 

3 cars on All Seasons, one on Winters currently and all ready for whatever we get, maybe even the -20C we sometimes get here though hopefully not needed and just the cold and wet weather to handle.

 

You have the luxury of 4 cars though.

 

We have one on summers on on full winters.

If it gets really nasty, then the car on winters will be used.

 

When the current summer tyres wear out they'll probably get replaced with nokian weatherproof or michelin cross climate tyres.

The other car may stay on summers/winters mix or might also get moved to all seasons depending on the weather over the next few years until they're worn out.

You have the luxury of 4 cars though.  We have one on summers on on full winters.  If it gets really nasty, then the car on winters will be used.  When the current summer tyres wear out they'll probably get replaced with nokian weatherproof or michelin cross climate tyres.  The other car may stay on summers/winters mix or might also get moved to all seasons depending on the weather over the next few years until they're worn out.

 

I think the thing to think about is that in the UK it should, perhaps, be that All Seasons should be the standard fitting on new cars and the sensible choice of replacement tyres in our wet and mild climate.  I only use two cars regularly myself ie the wonderful Dacia and the superlative Jaag, the other two are for members of the family whose cannot afford their own car or insurance so I am registered keeper and policy holder although they are down as the main drivers, still cheaper than them being policy holder etc.  Both my cars gone from "Summer" tyres to All Season ones and I have detected no down side except maybe a slight increase in noise and consequently fuel consumption though they are all rated mid range for fuel consumption under the new EU classification.

 

What worries me is that Skoda particularly have put on some pretty poor Original Equipment tyres, even on the VRSs I have bought.  I can think of the 200hp FL OCty VRS with the dreadful Dunlop Sports Maxx OEs http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Dunlop/SP-Sport-Maxx.htm which turned in to 50p peices after a few thousand miles.   Then there was the fairly awful Continental Sport Contact 2 OEs http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Continental/Sport-Contact-2.htm which the Fabia 2 VRS could turn to mushy a few minutes of hard working.  Another case, in addition to the emissions scandal, of VAG cutting cost corners in recent years to squeeze those last few sales from the market to get the No1 car makers position it seems.  Certainly chuffed the Korean tyre brands of Kumho and Nexen All Season options are provide cheap but good tyres which seem to go very well with the bargain cars I have, including the Fabia HTP, cheap but good quality motoring products in this extremely wet maritime climate we seem to have had over the last couple of months. 

Edited 21 December, 201510 yr by lol-lol

Happy new year all.

Winter type weather & temperatures in some parts of the UK today and many roads are untreated and a bit slippy slidy obviously.

 

Take care.

 

george

Will be crossing part of Dartmoor in the next hour or so and expect rivers of water across the road which the All Seasons should cope with admirably.

 

If we get some of the US weather in the next week or two then will be able to test out the snow handling capability too, bring it on!

A few Arse clenching moments at 7 am on bike to work water off the moor frozen half inch thick in places and a couple of speedway style wobbles , mind you a BMW in ilkley had hit 5 cars wing mirrors off as he was driving like a of type BMW driver

Edited 1 January, 201610 yr by blueR36