Diesel scrappage proposal.

[Adam_]

http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/environmental-audit-committee/news-parliament-2015/rebalance-ved-and-consider-scrappage-scheme-to-discourage-diesel/

[DanHarper]

WTF is this:

 

Someone gave it to the work experience kid to knock up in paint as he was 'good with computers'?

Edited 20 November, 2015 by DanHarper

[Huskoda]

Who didn't see that coming given the current war on diesel? And back the pendulum swings...

[VAGCF]

Exactly. Makes you laugh given that it was government that caused so many to move to diesel because of the high level of tax on fuel and therefore the need to buy cars that were more economical.

[bspman]

I'm not in a great place.. I caught the tail end of the diesel rush and shelled out dearly for it (I knew I should've gone for the VRS instead!).

 

The car cost me more than I'd care to admin to buy and maintain. I doubt I'm going to replace it until it breaks beyond economical repair now.

[lol-lol]

Exactly. Makes you laugh given that it was government that caused so many to move to diesel because of the high level of tax on fuel and therefore the need to buy cars that were more economical.

 

The Excise tax on diesel is the same as on petrol I seem to recall reading. 

 

Diesel also gets a three levels of loading on the company car tax so previous UK governments have not really legislated against diesel.

 

Lower CO2, particularly the 120 Gm/Km level which was agreed as the target level by the EU and might be Kyoto as well has achieved first by mainstream diesels but petrol engines with turbos and direct injection were not far behind.

 

The UK adopted a laissez-faire attitude but many of the European mainland countries certainly did, and still do, encourage diesel where it is 10-20% cheaper often.  Big mistake it turn out.  

Edited 21 November, 2015 by lol-lol

[WesBrooks]

Over about 97,500 miles my diesel has saved me £2800 over a 1.8TSI version of my car. Burnt a little over 7.1 ton of diesel and achieved an ownership average economy of 49mpg.

 

Car scrappage to buy a new car makes very little finaiancial sense other than to those already considering getting a new car who curently have a car worth less than the insentive on trade in.

 

Unless diesel gets very heavily taxed, or the emissions hoops presented to new vehicles significantly increases the prices I can't yet see my next car being petrol. However, I believe now hype is moving from diesel major european manufacturers are likely to re-invest in R&D projects improving the efficiency of petrols resulting in an ecomony boom in petrol. Throttleless engines and dieseling petrols come to mind. This might sway me.

[Ootohere]

But,

Have the VWG Helped you with Tax Evasion to the UK / EU Treasuries by having the wrong Emissions figures and 

VED Class paid and any Tax Advantages where a car is used for Business?

 

Money that could have been going to maintain roads, schools, hospitals.

 

& was it right back to Margaret Thatcher MP (1993) and her little helpers like the one that is the current Transport Ministers fault.?

They were the ones that decided that Derv was the future,  better MPG and forget about pollution and the long term economy.

Edited 24 November, 2015 by goneoffSKion1

[WesBrooks]

Have the VWG Helped you with Tax Evasion to the UK / EU Treasuries by having the wrong Emissions figures and 

VED Class paid and any Tax Advantages where a car is used for Business?

 

No on two grounds.

 

Emissions taxes are based on CO2, rather than oxides of Nitrogen and I'm scoring more or less exactly the combined MPG figure quoted in the specification. I do however appreciate that my driving should be scoring much better than the average figure, but dodgy MPG values (you'd asssume this has a near direct relationship to CO2) are an industry problem rather than VAG specific, one that the EU and UK goverments could have chosen to fix themselves and didn't. Therefore they are more complacant than your average motorist as it is them who should be looking after us on this front.

 

I never base car choice on tax. So ignoring the CO2 figure not really being the issue with the current diesel problem they have not helped me. I'd question whether I needed a car at all if saving even the total cost of my yearly tax actually swung my car choice decision.

 

Edit: Should have read I never base my car choice on Vehicle Exicise Duty. I appreciate there is tax on fuel too!

Edited 24 November, 2015 by WesBrooks

[vxh26]

<SNIP>

Dodgy MPG values (you'd assume this has a near direct relationship to CO2) are an industry problem rather than VAG specific, one that the EU and UK Governments could have chosen to fix themselves and didn't. Therefore they are more complacent than your average motorist as it is them who should be looking after us on this front.

<SNIP>

 

Indeed . . . complicit and culpable, much as with the tax dodging of Amazon, Starbucks, Google, Boots, Pfizer, etc., etc.

 

The Boy George expresses his outrage but does absolutely nothing about blatant corporate tax avoidance.

[jlwah]

Indeed . . . complicit and culpable, much as with the tax dodging of Amazon, Starbucks, Google, Boots, Pfizer, etc., etc.

 

The Boy George expresses his outrage but does absolutely nothing about blatant corporate tax avoidance.

Avoidance = legal

Evasion = illegal

 

The morals of either are irrelevant.

 

If you have evidence of these multi-national corporations evading the payment of corporation tax in the UK then you should submit your information to HMRC here: https://online.hmrc.gov.uk/shortforms/form/TEH_IRF?dept-name=TEH&sub-dept-name=&location=39&origin=http://www.hmrc.gov.uk

 

If you want avoidance to be made illegal then lobby your local MP (find yours here: http://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/mps/)

 

In fairness to George Osborne he has implemented measures in his budgets to reduce the rate of corporation tax down to 18% by 2020 which will make the UK a more attractive place to be domiciled for corporation tax purposes. There isn't much point off-shoring profits to somewhere that charges 20 or 22% CT, so hopefully it will increase CT revenues in the long run (estimated that 2020 revenue will be 50% higher than 2015).

[vxh26]

Yup, I can just see Amazon, Starbucks, Google, Boots, Pfizer, etc., etc. seeing the wisdom of and rushing to pay 18% CT.

 

50% more of next to nothing is still next to nothing.

 

 

ps - I know who my MP is and he is well aware of my views on (perfectly legal) tax dodging.

 

pps - I find WriteToThem to be a most effective way of contacting my MP.

[jlwah]

Yup, I can just see Amazon, Starbucks, Google, Boots, Pfizer, etc., etc. seeing the wisdom of and rushing to pay 18% CT.

 

50% more of next to nothing is still next to nothing.

 

 

ps - I know who my MP is and he is well aware of my views on (perfectly legal) tax dodging.

 

pps - I find WriteToThem to be a most effective way of contacting my MP.

You never know, Amazon, Starbuks, etc. might prefer paying 18% on profits in the UK than say 29% in Luxembourg or 30 to 33% in Germany or 33.33% in France, but if you know a reason why they wouldn't, please let us know.

[lol-lol]

You never know, Amazon, Starbuks, etc. might prefer paying 18% on profits in the UK than say 29% in Luxembourg or 30 to 33% in Germany or 33.33% in France, but if you know a reason why they wouldn't, please let us know.

 

 

Irish rate is 12.5%, Swiss rules are better than most EU countries, the choice is usually one of these two for a European HQ for tax purposes.

 

Even German tax authorities are going after VW for tax break via low/mis-declared CO2 figures.

Edited 25 November, 2015 by lol-lol

[vxh26]

You never know, Amazon, Starbuks, etc. might prefer paying 18% on profits in the UK than say 29% in Luxembourg or 30 to 33% in Germany or 33.33% in France, but if you know a reason why they wouldn't, please let us know.

 

Quite remarkable that Amazon has historically "sold" goods via Luxembourg at a tax rate of 29% - despite the Irish tax rate being 12.5% as lol-lol has pointed out above - lucky Luxembourg!

 

However, I am sure that you are quite right and Amazon, Starbucks, Google, Boots, Pfizer, etc., etc. will start paying UK tax on UK income as a result of which The Boy George will massively overshoot his revenue estimates, will actively pursue the Socialist dream of a just welfare system, will double the number of Trident missiles and nuclear submarines on order and will immediately stop the Privation of the NHS - I am really looking forward to his Autumn Statement

[M12MKD]

WTF is this:

 

Someone gave it to the work experience kid to knock up in paint as he was 'good with computers'?

 

Probably because the staff have been replaced with said work experience kid.

 

Oh wait sorry that's just local government......damn said too much!

 

Anyway back to the scrappage question? I guess if it extends to older diesels and you're in the market to upgrade then it might not be such a bad thing. But then again it's got to come out of the tax payers pocket else where.

[mac11irl]

Dont say anything about our 12.5% CT rate, its the only reason any big company wants to set up here, and we'd be fooked as a nation with out them.. up the rate they'll leave and we be knackred..

[vxh26]

So Amazon, Starbucks, etc. pay 12.5% Corporation Tax on their UK sales do they?

 

If they were suddenly to be told to pay say 13% do you really thing they would stop operating here?

 

 

ps - I don't think we would be "fooked" as a nation without either Amazon or Starbucks.

Edited 26 November, 2015 by vxh26

[Ootohere]

What gives with the Multinational Retailers not involved with selling cars and their tax affairs in the Car Chat Section?

 

Amazon are not yet a car Manufacturer or importer, but they are into space travel, might suit some spacers.

Starbucks might be into Motorway Stations etc, but not Cars and Vehicle importation and Wholesale / Retail.

[cheezemonkhai]

WTF is this:

 

Someone gave it to the work experience kid to knock up in paint as he was 'good with computers'?

Petrol car anyway... the exhausts are straight and it's too old to be a new DPF one.

[Kandy]

A scrappage scheme is completely pointless, the level of additional pollution is in reality inconsequential (despite the misleading propaganda), and the vast majority will be off the roads in a decade anyway, modern cars have a very short economic life.

 

It would cost more in pollution and resources to throw away thousands of perfectly usable cars now, than you would ever save by replacing them with less polluting vehicles.

Edited 27 November, 2015 by Kandy

[mac11irl]

So Amazon, Starbucks, etc. pay 12.5% Corporation Tax on their UK sales do they?

If they were suddenly to be told to pay say 13% do you really thing they would stop operating here?

ps - I don't think we would be "fooked" as a nation without either Amazon or Starbucks.

Note my location - Rep. Of Ireland,

not UK.

i never said which multi nationals but pfizer are moving HQ here purely for tax purposes via a "buyout" by an irish based company..

[cheezemonkhai]

Note my location - Rep. Of Ireland,

not UK.

i never said which multi nationals but pfizer are moving HQ here purely for tax purposes via a "buyout" by an irish based company..

They tried that with a uk based company too, but the uk kicked off for i would say good reason.

[Ootohere]

What i really like with Pfizer is they are stand up guys and girls, there to 'make you happy'.

I hope they really invest into Ireland and they are planning extensions and many many erections into the future.

[Liomer]

What i really like with Pfizer is they are stand up guys and girls, there to 'make you happy'.

I hope they really invest into Ireland and they are planning extensions and many many erections into the future.

Yeah, until they flopped in Sandwich, which is where their most famous recent product was developed, and left 2,500 employees seriously down!