I think you're confusing "pass(ing)" the tame certification test, with 'on road, real world emissions' which, at THIS stage, in term of 'certification', doesn't apply BUT, (apparently), 5 WOULD pass, if it was a current requirement.......BUT it will be soon.

Hence the panic amongst diesel engineers, particularly in Europe.

The ONLY fail is VW's by cheating to pass the relatively easy, certification test which nobody else failed....(as far as we know at this stage).

 

Nope, no confusion here with passing here nor in the articles I read either.

 

John

Nope, no confusion here with passing here nor in the articles I read either.

 

John

I'm amazed at VWs claim that the cheat was not illegal in Europe.

The U.S. is demanding answers more so than Europe.

The pressure is certainly on

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1102159_vw-to-release-diesel-cheating-report-at-april-annual-meeting

I'm amazed at VWs claim that the cheat was not illegal in Europe.

Reminds me of reading a (totally different subject) discussion recently where someone said "yeah, but it clearly infringed the spirit of the rules"; to which a legal dude replied "There ain't no such thing". True. Disappointing. In the context of the likely financial consequences of behaving any other way, unsurprising.

Any chance of getting the original Emissions Scandal thread pinned. It's getting hard to refer back to.

BTW thanks for reviving it.

http://phys.org/news/2016-02-eu-lawmakers-diesel-loopholes-vw.html

^^^^ I'm not sure what that decision will achieve over the longer term ie the 2017 'world' standard.

The CARB are not likely to play ball with any European manufacturers, so why bother?.

If there IS to be a world compliance standard it'll be the CARB/U.S. EPA one.

I am confused, the EU regulators need to bother about the EU residents and general population not only car owners.

If they want the EU manufacturers to stay in business then the EU Regulators, manufacturers and Other World Regions need to get their acts together.

If the Americas, and other regions like the Far east and Australia are not accepting the Emissions Testing and standards then the Governments need to stop the importation of them.

 

World Compliance you would think was discussed and agreed on when they were having a little get together in France just at the end of 2015.

Seems they talked lots about Green Issues and pollution and the health of citizens of the world, 

and then the EU says stuff it, carry on as we always do.

Edited 3 February, 201610 yr by GoneOffskiroottoot

^^^^ they won't be exporting to the U.S. then!

Not really news I guess

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1102181_vw-diesel-scandal-erodes-trust-in-germany-auto-industry-too

When there's a nip in the air Mercedes may not be playing fair....

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/bertelschmitt/2016/02/02/dieselgate-reaches-daimler-a-defeat-device-by-another-name/?utm_campaign=yahootix&partner=yahootix&ref=yfp#6b320a8b1891

^^^ for diesel; that's not light at the end of the tunnel.......

Effectively California will outlaw the diesel without a fundamental breakthrough

Edited 3 February, 201610 yr by Ryeman

CARB test

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1102220_carb-shows-test-equipment-that-found-vw-diesel-defeat-device-video

VW report after internal investigation not due till second half of April

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1102159_vw-to-release-diesel-cheating-report-at-april-annual-meeting

Germany’s pressure group Deutsche Umwelt Hilfe has repeatedly claimed that dieselgate is an industry-wide problem and not limited to VAG.

 

According to Mercedes-Benz:

A defeat device, i.e. a function that limits the efficacy of the emissions treatment in an inadmissible way, is not being used by Mercedes-Benz. Furthermore, Mercedes-Benz vehicles do not have a function that automatically registers that the vehicle is in a testing bay.

 

So that's all right then, Mercedes-Benz's "admissible defeat device" works all the time.

 

This ties in nicely with what I was told by a Motor Manufacturing "Insider" - "everybody does it".  The emissions regulations have been worded in such a way as to make them worthless. It was just bad luck for them that VAG chose to limit the efficacy of the emissions treatment in an inadmissible way and got caught.

 

The regulations will doubtless be tightened up and Motor Manufacturers will just have to find the next deliberate loophole.

^^^^^ more confirmation that the clock's ticking for the urban light diesel.

Maybe this will fix the urban pollution problem http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-09/the-bizarre-business-of-air-farming/7150790?WT.mc_id=newsmail

Actual EU future limits

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1102258_eu-commission-accepts-flawed-emission-rules-for-on-road-testing

That clarifies rules for new cars. But what about current diesels and indees 2010 ones? What can they do about the emissions with them? I cant see how they wud be able to bring them anywhere near that

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Manufacturers will get leeway to exceed existing legal limits of nitrogen oxides (NOx) on the new tests into the 2020s because the revised regulations allow for fairly large discrepancies in testing.

 

BRILLIANT - these are the rules but you don't have to stick to them!

Edited 8 February, 201610 yr by vxh26

That clarifies rules for new cars. But what about current diesels and indees 2010 ones? What can they do about the emissions with them? I cant see how they wud be able to bring them anywhere near that

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In Australia

No requirement

BRILLIANT - these are the rules but you don't have to stick to them!

That's why lobbyists exist

And

http://www.thecarconnection.com/news/1102263_volkswagen-dieselgate-update-new-jersey-sues-for-damages-earnings-report-delayed-indefinitely#src=10065

In Australia

No requirement

M but what about the uk. From what im reading lately there seems absolutely no point in having the recall done

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M but what about the uk. From what im reading lately there seems absolutely no point in having the recall done

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If there's no requirement

Again

Why would you unless they make hard n fast statements about power/torque and extend your warranty (they won't want any pesky questions relating to the effect on the EGR valve's lifespan AFTER the 'fix', that's for sure........I'm pretty sure the journalists will be able to get away with NOT raising that matter).

A U.S. perspective on the future of diesels.....fairly logical

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1102271_diesels-still-needed-for-truck-fuel-economy-despite-vw-scandal-advocate