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The Croctavia, Outofthi5world's Octy track car

Red or black? 38 members have voted

  1. 1. Should I paint the car rattle can red or chalk-board black?

    • Rattle can red
      21%
    • Chalk Board black
      36%
    • I don't care, it's your car do what you want
      28%
    • Leave it, I was not blessed with the gift of sight, I'm reading this by braille and I like it the way it is.
      13%
  2. 2. Scrap or fix?

    • Scrap it, buy a VRS or something and get rid of the Croc
      32%
    • Keep the Croc, fix the caliper and wishbone bush, lower it and carry on, it was fun
      68%
    • I'll buy it off you!
      0%
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Its down to the fact its a massive wolloping barge with standard brakes and suspension. You need at least 312mm discs and then get some decent pads. Stopping a barge is different to stopping a fabia/citigo.

Like i tell you every time, spend some money on the brakes/suspension properly. Or ignor me and do as you please [emoji23][emoji23]

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    Fair enough, a grand is a lot of money, but then so is £300 to me when a play car is certainly not my only expense in life. I can just about afford it once I've paid the mortgage and all the bills eac

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    Stupid garage. Attitude stinks. Went there after I finished work this afternoon, he was just locking up, asked him if it had passed he said no, said it wants the handbrake sorting and they want that w

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    Update for today:   Removed some more un-used interior clips, took them to the kitchen along with the door card clips and they weigh over 200 grams, took the sound deadening out from under the bonne

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Probably a bit hit and miss with brakes, I've found EBC greenstuff despite a lot of people saying their a poor brake pad, have been absolutely fine for my own needs on track and off

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So did I when I had my old Fabia, they worked very well for the most part although they did fade a little on the banked section of Rockingham one lap when I was coming up towards Richards Yeti so they were about at their limits on that car, but with my breaking in the Octy they will go like butter. As for track tyres, the idea at the minute is to buy new tyres for the Monte, wear them down a bit then use them up on track that way I keep good tyres for the road and track gets cheap rubber to burn. I'll see how it works out in the long run but it doesn't seam to be going too badly up to now considering how many track-days those tyres have done. As for Redstuff being softer than yellow, at least I still have the pads that the car came with so if it eats those pads in half a day or something daft I can do a quick swap. I'll see what I can get hold of next time but I'm not going to let it bother me too much for now, they are on the car so they can stay there.

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Its down to the fact its a massive wolloping barge with standard brakes and suspension. You need at least 312mm discs and then get some decent pads. Stopping a barge is different to stopping a fabia/citigo.

Like i tell you every time, spend some money on the brakes/suspension properly. Or ignor me and do as you please [emoji23][emoji23]

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It's not that I'm ignoring you Phill, I just don't have any money :D Hence buying the sh1tbox in the first place ;) It doesn't weigh that much now to be fair but yes, it could do with bigger breaks. If I braked half a mile too early like everyone else they would be perfectly fine but I don't, I like to make use of the straights...

Suspension is high up there just after new tyres, another set of break pads probably and I need to get those bushes changed when the suspension goes on but I think I'll need some new bolts because I have a funny feeling the suspension may need an angle grinder. And then I have to get track-days booked. No good up-grading if you're not going to use it is there?

Maybe rarher than spending £180 on a trackday spend it on some coilovers? Will make it alot better [emoji6]

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Your dad coming?

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Maybe rarher than spending £180 on a trackday spend it on some coilovers? Will make it alot better [emoji6]

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:no:

 

Your dad coming?

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:yes:  But not as a passenger or driver this time.

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Whats he driving?

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Whats he driving?

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He'll be coming in his car I expect, and spectating/helping in the pits. He isn't going out on track as he said it didn't do his back any good, which he didn't expect before the day.

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Or he's scared of your driving [emoji85]

Should be a good day seen as theres about 10 i know so nice n friendly on track

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Oh [emoji23]

Or he's scared of your driving [emoji85]

Should be a good day seen as theres about 10 i know so nice n friendly on track

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Well he came in with me for my first two laps after doing the sump before we were red flagged because of that break-down then wouldn't come back in with me again :D He went in a few times with one-armed John though in the 50 BHP Evo.

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Couple of little up-dates, various vessels of red paint opened and used:

 

Bits I brushed using the paint used on the break calipers (same paint I also used on the Montes calipers and grill)

I do have stickers for this but they can wait until the ever postponed re-spray...

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Only temporary until I get a C and an R off an old Octy and Superb:

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And lastly, using spray instead of the tin I painted the spoiler in the bedroom/spray booth. This is the same red I plan on using when I paint the car, I bought two test cans and did a bit on the drivers door if you remember, this is what was left in those cans:

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this car just gets better :)

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this car just gets better :)

By any chance do you mean "more ****" when you say that?

:D

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Sorry for the double post here, but I thought since it's a new page I'd post a list of things to do to/with the car:

 

New tyres

Another set of brake pads after Croft (probably)

Custom budget air intake (could be interesting)

New suspension and fit poly bushes to wishbones (will probably need all new bolts and just cut out the old ones)

Hopefully sort something out with the camber at the same time

Re-spray

Stickers!

Insure it properly (In September when the Monte is up for renewal)

And I keep thinking that dash-bard is too heavy but I don't want to mess with air-bags. I like my passengers to stay alive you see. (I do care, honest)

 

Edit: That sun-roof is going to, I'm sick of it to be honest and I've never used it so it might as well go.

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Edit: That sun-roof is going to, I'm sick of it to be honest and I've never used it so it might as well go.

You'll have a big hole though. Whatcha gonna do about that?

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You'll have a big hole though. Whatcha gonna do about that?

At the moment my "plan" involves either a sheet of thin metal or a sheet of wall cladding plastic, silicone and rivets. But that is a bridge to cross when we get there I think. Best plan might be a trip to the scrapies with some cutting tools or politely ask the guy with the Stihl saw to cut a chunk out of an Octavia there. Then it'll be the right shape if nothing else.

 

I caught the scrap van going up the road today as well so the old sump went on its final journey.

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what are you bringing to the national meet?

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what are you bringing to the national meet?

Unfortunately i won't be able to make it this year as in my new job I only get one weekend off per month, that is movable but one colleague is getting married and has a week and a bit off as of yesterday and another colleague is off as well so it just hasn't fallen right. If I hadn't been made redundant from my last job I'd have been coming down, and I don't know, I'd have possibly put it to a vote or just brought the Croc for comedy purposes.

You seem to be going through brake pads pretty quickly compared to how long the last set of DS2500s lasted on my Clio. I know your Octy is heavier but it still seems to be chewing through them. I would go for the 312mm front brake upgrade with plain Pagid/Brembo discs and some decent pads. You could even try the standard Pagid/Brembo pads to begin with as they are much cheaper than DS2500s etc. and you shouldn't need to put as much energy through the brakes as you would in a higher powered car.

 

What are you going to do about the camber? On the Clio you can fit camber bolts but the Octy suspension is a bit different and that isn't possible. You'd need adjustment from the top mount and/or ball joint/wishbone. Even if you can get 2-3 degrees camber, I think you'll still be killing the outside edge of the tyres unless you fit some stiffer suspension.

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You seem to be going through brake pads pretty quickly compared to how long the last set of DS2500s lasted on my Clio. I know your Octy is heavier but it still seems to be chewing through them. I would go for the 312mm front brake upgrade with plain Pagid/Brembo discs and some decent pads. You could even try the standard Pagid/Brembo pads to begin with as they are much cheaper than DS2500s etc. and you shouldn't need to put as much energy through the brakes as you would in a higher powered car.

 

What are you going to do about the camber? On the Clio you can fit camber bolts but the Octy suspension is a bit different and that isn't possible. You'd need adjustment from the top mount and/or ball joint/wishbone. Even if you can get 2-3 degrees camber, I think you'll still be killing the outside edge of the tyres unless you fit some stiffer suspension.

Regarding the brakes, I'm just going to see how things go, they are working fine for now and doing their job well enough, if I get some cash after upgrading the suspension and other things I'll be looking out for a cheap conversion set but it isn't a massively high priotity at the minute.

 

Camber, well I'm upgrading suspension at some point (soon-ish I hope) so that will hopefully sort that issue out.

 

On another note:

I toyed with the concept of hydro-dipping today, for anyone that doesn't know it is this:

 

 

Where a sheet of transfer material is placed over water, an activator is sprayed onto it then the part is dipped and the paint sticks...

You can buy DIY kits with the proper sheets with patterns or graphics on and do it properly but you can also do it with spray paints. Basically you get a bucket of cold water, spray some different coloured paints onto it and then dip as before. It doesn't come out smooth like the above video if you use spray because of the layers and probably some other things that I don't understand/care about really but hey ho, it is what it is. I started out with 2 spare mirror covers, a bucket of water, a can of red paint and a can of black. The mirror covers were sanded a bit to help the paint stick about a week ago but I didn't have enough paint left in any tins to try it.

 

Before:

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After:

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Those water bubbles are actually under the paint so some water must have splashed up a bit when I was spraying into the bucket, but I quite like them and think it adds to the effect somewhat. The silver bits are where there was no paint on the top of the water, I learned that after I did the first one and managed to get the second one a bit better but still, I don't think it looks bad with the silver showing a bit. I plan to give these a quick coat of lacquer because of those water bubbles which otherwise may pop and allow wind in (a lot of them have popped already)

All I need to do now is give them a coat of lacquer and get them on the car. I hope to have them on on Saturday so they will be on for Croft.

All you need now is a big enough tank to dunk the whole car in :giggle:

In all seriousness the mirror covers look quite nice. We used to do something similar to hydro dipping when we were kids at school. Tank of water and use pipettes to drop ink into the water, swirl it around to make pretty patterns and lay a sheet of paper over the top and use that to cover our excercise books

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All you need now is a big enough tank to dunk the whole car in :giggle:

I plan a trip to the lake district in a weeks time with a boot full of paint. :D

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Sunroof is gone now.

Went to the scrap yard and spent a while explaining to the guy with the Stihl saw that i wanted half the roof off a Golf :D

Came out with said roof panel and got my self a tube of Tiger seal on the way home.

So I traced the sunroof onto some newspaper and ripped it a bit bigger than the lines then drew round that on the new roof:

 

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Cut around the lines and place on roof for a test fit:

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Then remove the heavy sun-roof:

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Duct-tape round the outside as some sort of distance guide from the edge and mark holes with marker, then drill out holes placing rivets as I went to stop the panel moving around and screwing everything up.

Car is now a hedgehog:

 

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Then remove rivets, remove tape apply Tiger seal and put panel back on with all the rivets then rivet in place while pushing down on panel. A bit of Tiger seal smeared round the edge and some dots smeared into the tops of the rivets and it should all theoretically be water-proof now.

 

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A view from inside, nothing too exiting here, just a normal roof. Honest.

 

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Then I decided to put the mirror caps on that I painted:

 

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Sit-rep: Octavia down.

This is the perfect antidote to my quest to put yellow peril II back to its shiny best as if it had just rolled off the production line expect for a few engine tweeks. Love it!

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