The battery as the new frontier

[Ootohere]

No you did not imagine them, you got your electricity from them if you were on the National Grid, 

or maybe yours came from Hydro.

You will notice the dirtiest and most polluting have been closed down, or are to soon, and that the Nuclear ones that have had their lives extended are at the risk of needing shut down.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/business-34851718

Long term planning has been rather poor from all UK Governments for decades.

 

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-36119574

People want Electricity, but oddly not pylons or any visible sign of how it gets to them, or generated in their back yard.

 

...........

EDIT,

 News story just today.

'Scotland exceeds its emission targets 6 years early'.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36519506

Edited 14 June, 2016 by GoneOffSKi

[Ryeman]

Lithium stocks are taking off in Australia

Just In: Battery demand fuels lithium stock bubble

http://ab.co/1ttVsp2

[ColinD]

Someone mentioned this a few weeks back.

 

The uk had it' first day on power, so national grid, where all demand was met without coal!

 

It, of course, was a warm day in holiday time.

 

I'm sure we'll have our first blackout soon enough too, either before Chinese nuclear or/and after.

 

 

But coal is or should be a resource for our future generations to rediscover and use to fuel the last space mission to titan, or make into cute animals for visiting alien tourists.

 

We should be made to think twice about power use, lets cut the power. I've replaced my idling 250w+ mac pro with a new 37w thing, that's actually twice as fast too. Problem is the scrap, ok it's 10years old, but it's still scrap (£200) value... but is it plantary scale better to have replaced or kept till it's dead... watts v scrap.

 

There was a great talk/radio4, they had a guy from williams, yes of F1, talking about industrial scale power. Capacitor and release. Small towns were mentioned pertaining to the 9oclock kettle turn on. But of course that's waining as we can digest entertainment as we want now.

 

I think local transport has no excuse, bar cost, not to be zero emissions. Let's face it you could stuff a double decker bottom floor with batteries. and apart from rush hour no one would notice.

 

Then run more of them, recharge of french nuclear, which is ours anyway with prevailing winds.

 

I'd have an electric car tomorrow if I could do the long journeys. When the citigo dies it will be replaced by an electric one. The long journeys will be a van, thus undoing most of the good...

[lol-lol]

Someone mentioned this a few weeks back.     The uk had it' first day on power, so national grid, where all demand was met without coal!

It, of course, was a warm day in holiday time.

I'm sure we'll have our first blackout soon enough too, either before Chinese nuclear or/and after.

But coal is or should be a resource for our future generations to rediscover and use to fuel the last space mission to titan, or make into cute animals for visiting alien tourists.

We should be made to think twice about power use, lets cut the power. I've replaced my idling 250w+ mac pro with a new 37w thing, that's actually twice as fast too. Problem is the scrap, ok it's 10years old, but it's still scrap (£200) value... but is it plantary scale better to have replaced or kept till it's dead... watts v scrap.

There was a great talk/radio4, they had a guy from williams, yes of F1, talking about industrial scale power. Capacitor and release. Small towns were mentioned pertaining to the 9oclock kettle turn on. But of course that's waining as we can digest entertainment as we want now.

I think local transport has no excuse, bar cost, not to be zero emissions. Let's face it you could stuff a double decker bottom floor with batteries. and apart from rush hour no one would notice.

Then run more of them, recharge of french nuclear, which is ours anyway with prevailing winds.

I'd have an electric car tomorrow if I could do the long journeys. When the citigo dies it will be replaced by an electric one. The long journeys will be a van, thus undoing most of the good...

 

A good day it is not to have any of the nine remain coal stations running that day as it is usually dirtier than gas or oil though I do think we should be involved in coal liqufication as a strategic reserve. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_liquefaction

 

Some of the electric vans are getting quite good but the range is similar to the car when they only have the 22 Kwhr battery pack but if they use the 30 Kwhr ones Nissan have started to use and Bollore produce then range is more like 150 mile rather than 100 and they all have 30 minute charging with the right charger.  Perhaps we need a Tesla van with twice or three times the battery/ultra capacitor capacities in cars.  

[Ootohere]

Cluff has cleared off for now, but Grangemouth still needs the Gas as they can not keep importing from the US via Norway, 

so the Coal Bed extraction will need approved sometime soon in the Scottish Central belt and Nicola Sturgeon MSP knows that.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-35251793

http://theferret.scot/ineos-hire-staff-fracking-scotland

Edited 14 June, 2016 by GoneOffSKi

[lol-lol]

Summary of incremental progress in electric cars with the roll out of batteries with 25% increase in capacity now small cars available with 30 and 33 KwHr batteries.

 

http://www.theweek.co.uk/69705/best-electric-cars-of-2016-revealed

Edited 15 June, 2016 by lol-lol

[Ootohere]

North Coast 500 'now possible in an electric vehicle'.   According to this.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-36547545

[Ryeman]

30 VW BEV models in 10 years

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1104516_volkswagens-plan-to-bounce-back-30-bevs-in-10-years

And

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1104514_vw-commits-to-30-electric-cars-by-2025-in-new-strategy#src=10065

Edited 16 June, 2016 by Ryeman

[Ryeman]

Hybrid battery replacement costs and endurance performance.........U.S. figures.

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1078138_toyota-hybrid-battery-replacement-cost-guide

[lol-lol]

Hybrid battery replacement costs and endurance performance.........U.S. figures.

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1078138_toyota-hybrid-battery-replacement-cost-guide

 

Sounds very reasonable.

 

Interesting to see Toyota have dropped the super capacitor tech in their Le Mans cars for this year, which is currently winning Le Mans, though I imagine their are some super capcitors on board but the main storage this year is Lithium ion and not capacitors (8 MJs of it ie effectively up to 430 hp for 25 seconds !  Wonder what the Le Mans LP1 cars would do down the Baku straights. .   

[Ryeman]

Mercedes Benz strategy to meet Germany's zero emission vehicles by 2030 (13.5 years) - battery

https://www.auto123.com/en/news/mercedes-benz-tecday-future-mobility/62399/

[Ryeman]

DNA and its electronics application (I guess this is an example of human knowledge doubling every 13 months)....fast charging possibilities?.

http://www.cemag.us/news/2016/06/tunable-dna-works-wonders-electronics-applications?et_cid=5355012&et_rid=916553762&type=cta&et_cid=5355012&et_rid=916553762&linkid=http%3a%2f%2fwww.cemag.us%2fnews%2f2016%2f06%2ftunable-dna-works-wonders-electronics-applications%3fet_cid%3d5355012%26et_rid%3d%25%25subscriberid%25%25%26type%3dcta

Edited 23 June, 2016 by Ryeman

[Kandy]

Mercedes Benz strategy to meet Germany's zero emission vehicles by 2030 (13.5 years) - battery

https://www.auto123.com/en/news/mercedes-benz-tecday-future-mobility/62399/

 

www.youtube.com/embed/arQ8_PW-RiA

 

Edited 24 June, 2016 by Kandy

[Ryeman]

Mercedes promise "twice the range of today's lithium-ion cells, at half the cost."

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1104671_mercedes-electric-suv-concept-for-paris-what-we-know-so-far

[Ryeman]

More on Faraday Future

and

Just who IS the CEO?.

http://www.thecarconnection.com/news/1104681_faraday-future-gets-green-light-to-test-autonomous-cars-in-california#src=10065

And

Apparently London WAS the energy capital of the world......according to an American

http://oilandenergyinvestor.com/2016/06/brexit-just-killed-london-as-the-energy-capital-of-the-world/?clickers=13871

Edited 25 June, 2016 by Ryeman

[logiclee]

Someone mentioned this a few weeks back.

 

The uk had it' first day on power, so national grid, where all demand was met without coal!

 

 

 

 

 

Coal stations are using this summer and next summer to carry out all major maintenance (Outage works) so they will have maximum availability for the Capacity market come 2018. 

 

Due to taxation they are out of the money for general summer running if there is wind and solar available. But earlier this week with the high pressure and lack of wind coal stations have been brought on by the grid to meet demand. This is quite lucrative for them.

 

Lee

[Ryeman]

Tesla must be a worry for BMW I guess

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1104692_bmw-i8-prototype-to-drop-engine-go-all-electric-report

[Ryeman]

Route 66 solar road installation.........durability?.

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1104724_solar-roads-coming-to-route-66-via-photovoltaic-pavers

[lol-lol]

P90D at Pikes Peak

 

 

Edited 29 June, 2016 by lol-lol

[Ryeman]

If they can combine grunt off the line with serious range ......nirvana

[lol-lol]

If they can combine grunt off the line with serious range ......nirvana

 

Current Tesla range not too bad.  Also the new 30 Kw-Hr in the Leaf and same in the Bollore Blue Car can give 250 kms so getting there incrementally.  

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Model_S

The 60 kWh electric vehicle battery was rated to deliver 230 miles (370 km), while an 85 kWh battery was rated at 320 miles (510 km), assuming a constant speed of 55 mph (89 km/h).^[59] In 2012, the EPA range for the 60 kWh battery pack model is 208 mi (335 km)^[72] and the 85 kWh battery is 265 miles (426 km).^[11][73] According to Musk, the Model S has a battery with twice the energy density of that on the Nissan Leaf, but the difference in range is more than double. This is also due to other factors such as drag coefficient, weight, engine efficiency and rolling resistance.^[74] Musk stated that driving at 65 mph (105 km/h), under normal conditions, gives a reasonable range of 250 miles (400 km).^[75

[Ryeman]

A 'squishy' motor and suspension might be possible

http://www.cemag.us/news/2016/07/breakthrough-squishy-motors-and-wheels-robots?et_cid=5371350&et_rid=916553762&type=cta&et_cid=5371350&et_rid=916553762&linkid=http%3a%2f%2fwww.cemag.us%2fnews%2f2016%2f07%2fbreakthrough-squishy-motors-and-wheels-robots%3fet_cid%3d5371350%26et_rid%3d%25%25subscriberid%25%25%26type%3dcta

[Ryeman]

Another example of the rapid expansion of human knowledge I guess

The battery from the mushroom

http://articles.sae.org/14851/

Edited 4 July, 2016 by Ryeman

[Ryeman]

The U.S. state of Vermont and its plan to 'stabilise' it's power supply using home batteries

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1104839_vt-electric-utility-sells-tesla-powerwall-batteries-to-its-customers

[lol-lol]

The offers are on the Renault Zoe are stunning IMO ie £6k off the price with assistance and dealer contribution.  

 

Still looking are one for back and forth to college where there are charging points close by though the insurance   

 

Also the huge fall in the British pound will mean that only the Nissan Leaf, which is made here in the UK will be economically affordable in the near future.

 

http://offers.renault.co.uk/cars/zoe/renaultselectionszeaccess?offer=103

Edited 7 July, 2016 by lol-lol