There's then the huge carbon footprint of building one compared to a standard car.

About as green as chopping down the rainforest

All will be revealed in time as they say

The activities in the Bakken oil fields brings a whole new level of pollution whithout even mentioning the arctic circle activities the Russians and others are eyeing..........now to be promoted by a thin skinned big little man

Don't you have unions that sign up to an Enterprise Bargaining Agreement..........a negotiated trade-off of wages/work practices for benefits in kind?.

Not that I know of, and in any case receiving vehicle fuel other than for your own vehicle which has actually been used for travel for work (excludes commuting) is a benefit in kind which is liable for income tax, which is not a matter between employer and employee.

British tax law in print form could be used to build a much needed wall perhaps

British tax law in print form could be used to build a much needed wall perhaps

Where? I mean ATM our only land border is with Eire, and even with Scottish independence GB will remain islands.

Para 1 - Presumes that you obtain electricity at cost.

Para 2 - You're comparing oranges with chalk.

Para 3- If you get to charge an EV for "free" at work, then that is a benefit in kind for tax purposes.

 

Para 1 - Using Economy 7 and the "Free" electricity between 9am and 5 pm on a Saturday could work out at just a couple of pence per KW/Hr.

Para 2 - The Clio and Zoe are about the same time, I should really pick not the fast charge ie one hour charge as do not need that and that lowers the overall ownership cost

Para 3 - I have not noticed a place on the Self Assessment form for declaring how much work electricity I have had for BIK (I do get hydrocarbon fuel provided so are you suggesting that box is used?  Does electricity define as fuel?  I can see HMRC calling it BIK but I am not aware of companies monitoring how much is used by each EV and collating the data, sure there will be an HMRC reminder at some point but for home usage on the 7 Kw EV charger the home system does not differentiate between heating and motive power usage, yet. 

Para 1 - Using Economy 7 and the "Free" electricity between 9am and 5 pm on a Saturday could work out at just a couple of pence per KW/Hr.

Para 2 - The Clio and Zoe are about the same time, I should really pick not the fast charge ie one hour charge as do not need that and that lowers the overall ownership cost

Para 3 - I have not noticed a place on the Self Assessment form for declaring how much work electricity I have had for BIK (I do get hydrocarbon fuel provided so are you suggesting that box is used?  Does electricity define as fuel?  I can see HMRC calling it BIK but I am not aware of companies monitoring how much is used by each EV and collating the data, sure there will be an HMRC reminder at some point but for home usage on the 7 Kw EV charger the home system does not differentiate between heating and motive power usage, yet. 

Are you suggesting that commuting and other "personal use" are any different for an EV than from an HCV?

Are you suggesting that commuting and other "personal use" are any different for an EV than from an HCV?

 

There is a HMRC document about taxation on EVs against IC engined cars.....

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/519209/factsheet-tax-implications-refresh.pdf

 

A) Applicable to all ULEV users B) Applicable to business users only Fuel Duty - electric vehicles (including hydrogen fuel cell vehicles) are exempt from fuel duty.

 

Taxation of company cars (CCT) - CCT for zero emission vehicles is set at 7% of the list price for 2016-17. Until 2017-18 there will be a differential of four percentage points between the 0-50 and 51-75g/km CO2 bands and between the 51-75 and 76-94g/km bands. Thereafter and until 2019-20 this differential will reduce to three percentage points.

 

Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) - vehicles emitting up to 100g CO2/km currently pay no VED. The government has announced reforms to VED for vehicles registered on or after 1 April 2017.

 

Car Fuel Benefit Charge - as electricity is not a fuel, there is currently no fuel benefit charge for electric cars.

 

Value Added Tax (VAT) - electricity used to recharge a plug-in vehicle at home attracts only a 5% level of VAT, much lower than road fuels (20%).

 

 

Not sure what we will do with the 10 charging points we have at our Heathrow office ie whether it records which car/user is using the point ie a pool EV car/van/truck or to a company employee who has a Blue Solution car or Zoe or a visitng guest with an EV. I will find out as I am curious how it will work but a 41 Kw/Hr Zoe would certainly take up to a £5 or more worth of lecky if low.  

Are you suggesting that commuting and other "personal use" are any different for an EV than from an HCV?

 

So the paragraphs that apply are:-

 

5. Car Fuel Benefit Charge

5.1 Car fuel benefit charge is paid by employees who receive free fuel from their employer and a portion of it is used for private mileage in a company car and not repaid in full by the employee. Tax must be paid on the cash equivalent of the benefit in kind represented by that fuel.

5.2 The value of this benefit is calculated by using the CCT appropriate percentage of the vehicle multiplied by a ‘multiplier’: £22,200 for 2016-17. In 2017-18 the multiplier will increase in line with the Retail Price Index (RPI). As with CCT, the employee then pays Income Tax and the employer pays National Insurance Contributions on this amount.

5.3 There is no car fuel benefit charge if employees repay the cost of their private mileage in full. They may use the rates published by HMRC – the advisory fuel rates (AFRs) – to do so.4

5.4 As electricity is not a road fuel, the car fuel benefit charge does not apply to electric charging. If an employee uses a company car, no benefit in kind arises on charging their vehicle at the workplace.

5.5 If an employer provides electricity to an employee to charge their own car, a benefit in kind arises representing the cost of the electricity used, which must be reported to HMRC.

5.6 The provision by an employer of a chargepoint for an employee at their home also gives rise to a benefit in kind.

5.7 The government recognises that this is a developing area and keeps the tax rules under review at fiscal events to ensure that they remain effective in promoting take up of cleaner cars but are also consistent with the government’s wider fiscal objectives.

 

So yes a company should record and declare a charge of a private car when charged at the works premises.  Wonder how that is captured and charged on and it would only be at most a £5 unless the car was a Tesla with 60-100 Kw/Hr batteries.  Would there be a de minimis ie less than £2 and no charge for the charge and even at 12p/KwHr that gives you 17 Kw/Hrs which is enough to take most electric cars about 100 miles in summer and  75 miles in winter and you wold be perhaps just topping off from being quarter or half charged already?

I'm going to suggest that Para 5.4 is just plain wrong.

 

Your subsequent narrative seems to suggest that a BIK taken at, say £2/day is different from one taken at £40/month? (based on 20 working days per month)

I'm going to suggest that Para 5.4 is just plain wrong.  Your subsequent narrative seems to suggest that a BIK taken at, say £2/day is different from one taken at £40/month? (based on 20 working days per month)

 

Not saying that HMRC are always right.  I have taken cases to the VAT & Duties tribunal as I do not think they are.

 

But what would a company charge an employee for using a company charge point for the electricity?

 

My company are probably exceptional as we install these charge points all over the world and they can be linked to the credit style card system that could record the number of Kw/hrs of electricity supplied to my Blue solution or Zoe car but what would they charge the employee and bill it out?  At present they tell me how much fuel they have supplied via a fuel card ie "X" thousands of pounds a year and that goes on the P11D in section M.  In theory they could add the electricity to the P60 as part of the BIK and I would not mind that as with a Zoe a £5 electric charge ie 41KW/Hr even at 12p a KW/Hr, would likely take me about 166 miles ie 3 p a mile energy cost against more like 12p a mile ie 4 times as much cost using hydro-carbon ie reducing my BIK to hundreds of pounds rather than thousands, I can live with that.  would be happy to see a much smaller figure on my P11D and I suspect the company would resell the electricity to employees at the lowest rate of 6p per Kw/Hr or so.

 

The argument for EV vehicles is changing in 2017 with the introduction of the 41 Kw/Hr Zoe as a viable car for longer work journeys ie up to 200 miles and with most the other costs being far cheaper too. As an alternative, being rolled out in London and already mainstream in other cities, the alternative not to own a car but just hire one in the city as needed.               

Excellent road test on the game changing Renault Zoe  Signature Nav R90 Z.E. 40 (2017) 

 

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/renault/renault-zoe-signature-nav-r90-ze-40-2017-review/

 

.......Verdict

After all that you might be thinking that you’re better off with the cheap, short range one – but no! The 40 is a brilliant car. Renault launched this Zoe in Portugal, with the launch route taking in a four-hour drive up the coast road, which snaked up clifftops and down inlets. Bonkers – most EVs get launched in Holland, starting at the top of a very small hill and ending at the bottom.  At the end of this drive, where the car still does everything the Zoe did before, which means zippy acceleration from standstill, tidy steering a restful silent cruising, we still had 80 miles of range left. The level of smugness I felt at this result is at the Trump end of the scale.  The Zoe is the best electric car on the market and the option of the longer range models enhances its appeal even more, but you do need to take your time to work out which suits what you need most.  The big thing is though that now that thanks to the Zoe, the electric car is about to go mainstream.

Gigafactory starts production

http://www.thecarconnection.com/news/1108165_tesla-gigafactory-is-open-for-business#src=10065

Falling battery prices

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1108199_how-much-have-electric-car-battery-costs-fallen-this-much

Falling battery prices

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1108199_how-much-have-electric-car-battery-costs-fallen-this-much

 

That is good news and it will need to so it offsets the big fall in the UK Pound for when the batteries are imported for the Leaf made at the Nissan Sunderland using the EU's Inward Processing scheme it would still affect vehicles for UK if supplied from some suppliers ie Japan/US.Same for Renault but they use the batteries from the Korean LG chem factory and Korean imports some in duty free under the EU-Korea agreement currently.

I like the home power reuse ability as a form of recycling, via the power wall concept, which for us isn't far off now

Chevy Bolt EV wins N American Car of the Year..........

 

 

 

http://fox5sandiego.com/2017/01/09/chevy-bolt-wins-car-of-the-year/#ooid=RvbGN0ODE6suT7Xy2kmH4Gnnp72Bw967

Edited 10 January, 20179 yr by lol-lol

A pan European fast charging joint venture........someone has a vision it seems

http://articles.sae.org/15142/

New electric VW camper http://trib.al/Zvuft4U

Flying on battery power

https://www.nasa.gov/image-feature/nasas-x-57-electric-research-plane

It appears there is no such thing as a battery used in BEVs because it's evolving every day 

improving by design 

http://www.cemag.us/news/2017/01/new-design-technique-creates-longer-lasting-batteries?et_cid=5796041&et_rid=916553762&location=top&et_cid=5796041&et_rid=916553762&linkid=http%3a%2f%2fwww.cemag.us%2fnews%2f2017%2f01%2fnew-design-technique-creates-longer-lasting-batteries%3fet_cid%3d5796041%26et_rid%3d%%subscriberid%%%26location%3dtop

 

warning: its heavy and if you understand it let me know 

Re CO2 emissions, maybe it's still a priority - warming rate since 1998:

https://www.skepticalscience.com/2017-SkS-Weekly-Digest_03.html

 

sorry but he red infographic to the right won't load for some reason.....let's not go into conspiracies 

Graphene mass production breakthrough 

http://www.cemag.us/news/2017/01/graphene-mass-production-technique-developed?et_cid=5801900&et_rid=916553762&type=cta&et_cid=5801900&et_rid=916553762&linkid=http%3a%2f%2fwww.cemag.us%2fnews%2f2017%2f01%2fgraphene-mass-production-technique-developed%3fet_cid%3d5801900%26et_rid%3d%%subscriberid%%%26type%3dcta

U.S. and German Bev owners are happy with the existing infrastructure and don't suffer from range anxiety 

Moves to promote:

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1108603_mckinsey-suggests-ways-automakers-could-kick-start-electric-car-demand

GM Honda joint venture to establish fuel cell vehicle production 

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1108593_gm-honda-set-up-joint-fuel-cell-manufacturing-plant-2020-production-goal