glad to see the nissan stealers are keeping up standards

4 hours ago, domhnall said:

 

I'd not buy another Nissan, the leaf is technically very clever and it drives well but the British build quality is definitely a down side. It has a satnav that is 3 years out of date, the head unit is very low res and laggy so android auto doesn't work properly, and the servicing is a rip off. £149 for a computer diagnostic, screen wash top up and a car wash. Oh and it will be £12 for a courtesy car while they do that "service" and you need to do this every 12 months. 

Seriously looking forward to seeing what Skoda do with the MEB platform. 

Yep, bring on the affordable VAG alternatives ASAP.

(just think - no egr, dpf, gpf, haldex, motronic, dsg, min brake wear........what’s to service.....what’s to fail)

Just now, Ryeman said:

Yep, bring on the affordable VAG alternatives ASAP.

(just think - no egr, dpf, gpf, haldex, motronic, dsg, min brake wear........what’s to service.....what’s to fail)

 

 

re servicing you would think that eh?

 

year 1 £149 

Diagnostic check

top up screen wash

wash car

 

year 2 £199

as year 1 + change brake fluid

 

and so it alternates for the life of the car

 

nothing but a rip off

Just now, domhnall said:

 

 

re servicing you would think that eh?

 

year 1 £149 

Diagnostic check

top up screen wash

wash car

 

year 2 £199

as year 1 + change brake fluid

 

and so it alternates for the life of the car

 

nothing but a rip off

That must be some magical diagnostic device !

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose..........................

Edited 16 January, 20197 yr by J.R.

Batteries tend to have an 8 year warranty, so they’ve got you over a barrel on ‘servicing’ either way.

I wonder what consumer representative bodies think about that.

 

15 hours ago, domhnall said:

I'd not buy another Nissan, the leaf is technically very clever and it drives well but the British build quality is definitely a down side. It has a satnav that is 3 years out of date, the head unit is very low res and laggy so android auto doesn't work properly, and the servicing is a rip off. £149 for a computer diagnostic, screen wash top up and a car wash. Oh and it will be £12 for a courtesy car while they do that "service" and you need to do this every 12 months. 

Seriously looking forward to seeing what Skoda do with the MEB platform. 

Likewise. Never another Nissan. My one's build quality is okay internally, exterior panel gaps is worse than some of Tesla's I've seen. The dealership network is shockingly bad. They also up-sell to you like crazy.

 

You are lucky with Android Auto, my '64 reg 24kWh doesn't have anything. But same as every infotainment system, I prefer to just use my phone and have it display car statistics (power usage in Leaf).

 

My 24kWh Leaf only has 5 year battery warranty. So I'll be doing my own servicing after next free servicing courtesy of the finance company. Leafspy Pro does all of the battery diagnostics and more.

 

If we are changing the Leaf, our short range car, it'd be a Hyundai. Long range, it has to be a Tesla.

 

On ‎15‎/‎01‎/‎2019 at 21:05, lol-lol said:

 

In Europe, if you do not mind the smaller car, most the time most of us just drive around one person with little luggage, the Renault Zoe, in the upgrade 50 kWh form, which should still be only 28k Euros or around £22k will be the most practical EV at least for commuting IMO.   Range should also in theory be 500 kms but more like 350 km in summer and 250 kms in winter for those who drive without brain plugged in.    

Next Zoe should have CCS by now. Type 2 AC rapid will die out soon, thanks to uneducated PHEV drivers.

" mange toute Rodders"

Even aircraft maintenance firms are worried about disruption -

https://www.mro-network.com/engines-engine-systems/why-electric-propulsion-could-be-disruptive-mro

https://www.edfenergy.com/for-home/battery-storage

EDF are offering big discount (over 30% off) on home batteries you install if you also opt-in for grid balancing. 10 years warranty included. Inverter can also work with solar PV if/when your solar PV inverter fails. You gain electricity savings on top of battery discount, the Grid has less peak time load, It's win-win all round.

 

It's essentially everything I've been talking about with regard to home batteries. Now the tech is ready, the big companies are getting behind this with financial incentives.

 

^^^^ are these storage systems fixed ie; sold as an asset, or are some portable ?.

1 minute ago, Ryeman said:

^^^^ are these storage systems fixed ie; sold as an asset, or are some portable ?.

Pretty sure it'll be fixed to the house as an additional house asset, like solar panels and kitchen worktops.

1 hour ago, wyx087 said:

if you also opt-in for grid balancing.

 

So the battery is for their use. Yeah, great deal.....not

32 minutes ago, xman said:

 

So the battery is for their use. Yeah, great deal.....not

If we put power into the grid we get paid handsomely for it and I don’t object to that.

32 minutes ago, xman said:

 

So the battery is for their use. Yeah, great deal.....not

You'll save a lot in electricity and help the grid, two birds with one stone. This is particularly useful for solar panel owners.

 

For example, my 2.9kWp solar panels produce ~2kW most sunny days due to E-W facing, still short for 3kW appliances. I can then bank all of that excess, then use washing machine on 100% solar power for free.  

Battery system will also allow me to time-shift my solar generation to be self consumed in the evenings after sunset. Apart from EV charging, house's biggest electricity draw comes between 6-10pm.

For us we are all electric and our annual cost is <£100

35 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

You'll save a lot in electricity and help the grid, two birds with one stone. This is particularly useful for solar panel owners.

 

For example, my 2.9kWp solar panels produce ~2kW most sunny days due to E-W facing, still short for 3kW appliances. I can then bank all of that excess, then use washing machine on 100% solar power for free.  

Battery system will also allow me to time-shift my solar generation to be self consumed in the evenings after sunset. Apart from EV charging, house's biggest electricity draw comes between 6-10pm.

 

They will drain the battery at 6pm for "grid balancing", no doubt there is no free recharge later. You need to carefully read the small print and understand how it will be used.

 

I've no doubt you would be entering into a long term contract, maybe even a lease giving EDF rights to your battery and maybe even your home, as many who took " free" solar installations are now starting to realise.

 

Still cost thousands of pounds which can buy years of electricity. Battery will not last 25 years it will lose capacity over the ten years too.

 

Edited 18 January, 20197 yr by xman

36 minutes ago, Ryeman said:

For us we are all electric and our annual cost is <£100

Does that include amortisation of the cost of whatever system you have in place to reduce your need for grid supply? (I'm guessing solar?)

1 minute ago, Luckypants said:

Does that include amortisation of the cost of whatever system you have in place to reduce your need for grid supply? (I'm guessing solar?)

Yes.

The generous enducement expires end 2024 and by then we will install our own storage system.

We have priced our own gas out of viability as an economic proposition...........it’s owned by international conglomerates and the neo-cons have suddenly seen the need for an energy policy.

We aren’t like Norway that’s for sure.

1 hour ago, xman said:

 

They will drain the battery at 6pm for "grid balancing", no doubt there is no free recharge later. You need to carefully read the small print and understand how it will be used.

 

I've no doubt you would be entering into a long term contract, maybe even a lease giving EDF rights to your battery and maybe even your home, as many who took " free" solar installations are now starting to realise.

 

Still cost thousands of pounds which can buy years of electricity. Battery will not last 25 years it will lose capacity over the ten years too.

 

No doubt you'd need to read the small prints very carefully, there are pitfalls as you've pointed out.

 

I suspect there'll be a percentage of the battery you are obliged to set aside for grid balancing, as part of their contract. Rest of the battery is yours to do as you please.

 

My point is the big energy company is moving in the same direction as I had previously been saying about a year ago: distributed smart microgrid.

3 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

 

My point is the big energy company is moving in the same direction as I had previously been saying about a year ago: distributed smart microgrid.

 

And getting you to pay for it.

unless you've read the whole thing it may be wiser to reserve judgement

Toyota launch four wheel drive Prius !

10 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

Toyota launch four wheel drive Prius !

 

Why? Are Uber taking more off road shortcuts?

25 minutes ago, xman said:

 

Why? Are Uber taking more off road shortcuts?

 

It is for icy and snowy conditions I reckon.  Only 7 hp to the rear wheel.  MPG pretty good ie almost 60 mpg on Highway.

Edited 18 January, 20197 yr by lol-lol