1 hour ago, Ryeman said:

Financial institutions won’t fund against a trend from legislation backed by enthusiastic adoption and that’s why ICE development will stagnate; too many established competitors in a declining market demand and GPFs are just another reason to abandon them.  2030 looms.

Leasing companies will possibly be the ‘canary in the cage’ for conventional production lines.

Battery supply isn’t necessarily resolved if you look at the apparent supply constraints.

 

And Metropolitan authorities come up with substantial amounts of money to progress the zero emission agenda.  My company's £100M contract with Transport for London to install EV charge points.

The Paris Autolib scheme with 4,000 EV cars helped hugely with the Paris air quality.  This summer Paris had to shut down access to the city to ICE because air quality got so bad.

 

One can expect similar occurence to happen in major cities in summers and winters over the coming years. 

In Australia we have three levels of government and I can see enthusiasm for them to go electric with their fleets and I imagine that attitude will be reflected in the larger companies also.  That’s a massive chunk of lease contracts.

Battery factories in India ?

 

https://electrek.co/2019/08/19/tesla-interest-battery-factory-india-report/

Possible, but it would make more sense to build in China where the new Gigafactory is being built to serve the China market. 

 

Having it beside the car plant would remove one potential point of supply chain failure.  If you have the battery plant in India you have supplies being shipped in to produce the batteries, then finished batteries being shipped out a long distance to China.  If the battery plant is beside the car plant you will still have the point of failure of the raw materials supply to the battery factory, but minimise the second point of failure, the shipping of finished packs to the car plant.  An automated conveyor system could transport batteries through the wall to the car plant for installation on a just in time principle straight into the waiting cars.

 

 

Edited 20 August, 20196 yr by widdershins
typo

4 hours ago, widdershins said:

Possible, but it would make more sense to build in China where the new Gigafactory is being built to serve the China market. 

 

Having it beside the car plant would remove one potential point of supply chain failure.  If you have the battery plant in India you have supplies being shipped in to produce the batteries, then finished batteries being shipped out a long distance to China.  If the battery plant is beside the car plant you will still have the point of failure of the raw materials supply to the battery factory, but minimise the second point of failure, the shipping of finished packs to the car plant.  An automated conveyor system could transport batteries through the wall to the car plant for installation on a just in time principle straight into the waiting cars.

 

 

I suspect it’s more a reflection on the potential of the Indian market for an affordable electric car to tackle their appalling air quality.

Just one of a number of gigafactories that are going to be needed once the trend is recognised as simply the future reality.

There’s still a lot of denial.

Producing Batteries in Norway makes much more sense, ships can land materials, they can start mining cobalt again and they have as much electricity as needed for manufacturing and they are on the Continent that European Manufacturers need the batteries.

China is really not, and make the green tech from electricity produced from dirty polluting sources.

2 hours ago, Roottootemoot said:

Producing Batteries in Norway makes much more sense, ships can land materials, they can start mining cobalt again and they have as much electricity as needed for manufacturing and they are on the Continent that European Manufacturers need the batteries.

China is really not, and make the green tech from electricity produced from dirty polluting sources.

China has plentiful domestic supply as it is and they also have a 99 year lease on the port of Darwin for Australian supply if they want.  Australia is the lucky country still.

 

 

BP claim 5 min charging from 2021 but now a new battery player with big claims from next year -

 

https://electrek.co/2019/08/28/startup-claims-breakthrough-electric-car-battery-charge-6-mins/

EV recycling -

 

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1124834_rusting-sheet-metal-could-generate-electricity-for-evs

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2019/aug/31/i-was-charged-20000-for-driving-my-car-into-the-london-emissions-zone

Tempting ,  seriously tempting -

 

 

2 hours ago, Ryeman said:

Tempting ,  seriously tempting -

 

Too tall ie nearly 3 inches taller than a Golf.  More like a MPV.  

 

Insulting as this mock up is clearly the under-pinning chassis of an ICE car and not the MEB EV chassis. 

 

I am suspecting that we are still a long way from seeing an actual production model, at least a year and probably much longer for right hand drive model, probably 2021, ie much after PSA e-corsa and 208 or longer range Zoe.

 

Also where the economic state of the UK will be in 2020/2021 ie poor currency rate of exchange between UK and EU and possibly 10% customs tariff will make the IDs well over £30K in the UK.

 

We need the Uk EV grant to go back up to the full £5k for an EV car if up from the current £3.5k plus £500 for the wall charger. 

Edited 1 September, 20196 yr by lol-lol

Fed Up with manufacturers trailing cars in front of us with 'look at what we're doing' ads etc. with no confirmed dates for production and sales. Look at the TESLA model 3 fiasco (IMHO) where folks were waiting 3 years after putting down a deposit! ID3 seems to be going in the same direction. Skoda Vision-e??? LOLz

 

Announce cars, tell us when they go on sale (less than 6 months in the future) and how much. Done.

Edited 2 September, 20196 yr by Luckypants

5 hours ago, Luckypants said:

Announce cars, tell us when they go on sale (less than 6 months in the future) and how much. Done.

And show a car that actually costs that much, not a high spec one with loads of options (or even a spec that isn't available in the UK).

 

When complaints were made to the ASA about the price quoted not applying to the car shown they could see nothing wrong

https://europe.autonews.com/e-car-and-component-map-europe

On 02/09/2019 at 10:22, Luckypants said:

Fed Up with manufacturers trailing cars in front of us with 'look at what we're doing' ads etc. with no confirmed dates for production and sales. Look at the TESLA model 3 fiasco (IMHO) where folks were waiting 3 years after putting down a deposit! ID3 seems to be going in the same direction. Skoda Vision-e??? LOLz

 

Announce cars, tell us when they go on sale (less than 6 months in the future) and how much. Done.

 

 

 

If you've got 30 minutes to spare this is a good watch regarding the German car industry at present.

 

 

Yep, they are on the edge of extinction at this rate.

On the question of hydrogen use -

 

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1121008_why-hydrogen-powered-combustion-engines-aren-t-a-good-idea

A fighting withdrawal -

 

https://www.sae.org/news/2019/08/john-juriga-hyundai-pt-dir-interview

A lot of gubbins in the front compared to Tesla Model 3. -

 

 

That’s because all the HVAC system has been moved out of the cabin to under the (tiny) bonnet 

Yeah I noticed that but the Tesla has an interesting way of preheating in cold weather.......as I understand it, the motor is ‘stalled’ and the lubricant pumped through the battery pack for preheating of the pack and, I assume, the cabin also.

Sandy Munro was blown away with the brilliant combination ‘bottle’ which combines and controls all heat components and the ‘frunk’ Is the result, with fewer expensive front components exposed also.

The depth of thought in the Tesla is amazing.

The ID.3 is not in the same class as a Model 3, so it is hardly a fair comparison. ID.3 is promising to be sub 30K, so 10K less than the cheapest Tesla. Money will have been saved somewhere, this is likely to be one of those areas. I'm disappointed that none of the more affordable wave of EVs seem to have a 'froot' but as many of them are based on an ICE car then hardly surprising. The ID3 has chosen to take any space savings into the cabin rather than provide extra luggage space, which makes sense for almost everyone I think.

 

I'll be interested to see how the AWD version of MEB works, with all those gubbins in the way of an extra motor.

1 minute ago, Luckypants said:

The ID.3 is not in the same class as a Model 3, so it is hardly a fair comparison. ID.3 is promising to be sub 30K, so 10K less than the cheapest Tesla. Money will have been saved somewhere, this is likely to be one of those areas. I'm disappointed that none of the more affordable wave of EVs seem to have a 'froot' but as many of them are based on an ICE car then hardly surprising. The ID3 has chosen to take any space savings into the cabin rather than provide extra luggage space, which makes sense for almost everyone I think.

 

I'll be interested to see how the AWD version of MEB works, with all those gubbins in the way of an extra motor.

Oh yes, it will certainly be interesting for us if it actually turns out to be good value for money which would require a price at least $A10,000 less than the super efficient Model 3.