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Plus electrickery isn't transported round the world at 110 or 240v, usually those big pylons have cables carrying power at many, many, KV's which is converted to domestic.voltages near the points being supplied.  Yes, there are differences in frequency, but that can be gotten round also

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16 hours ago, KenONeill said:

Seriously? Which developed nations don't use 110-120v or 220-240v AC (or both in the case of Japan) then?

How many different sockets are there around the world?  For 230v to 110v, there are still appliances that can't interchange between the two.

 

Then, in UK alone, there's 3 phase and 1 phase. For outdoor sockets, there was domestic socket and commando.

 

I think you are simplifying thing a bit......

 

For EV, across Europe, the whole possible area you'll want to drive, you'll have no problem charging with any method. If you go to Norway, you'll also not have problems finding chargers.

 

For imports, even if you can't quick charge, you can still charge slowly once you find the right adapter (just like when you travel to another country). Last year, a guy took his Model 3 across the pound. He couldn't charge using Tesla supercharger due to port difference and possibly protocol difference. But he was able to charge overnight and drive 300 miles each day, doing road-trip across most of Europe (with help from hotels)

At this early stage in EV adoption standardisation would remove that problem.  The only reason there are so many plug types in homes around the world is because it wasn't standardised early on.  Now there's too many people with too many appliances around the world to have any hope of a standard being created.  It would simply cost too much for everyone to change.

 

Even within the UK, at the dawn of electricity there were competing private electricity co's with differing voltages and plugs in different places until the government nationalised, standardised, and and created the grid.  It was standardised early on though when the only electric devices people had were simple restive loads such as filament lights, kettles, irons , and cookers so easier to alter supply voltage, frequency, and from dc to ac supply.  Imagine how much harder it would be if you had 625 different electricity companies now, some AC, some DC, different frequencies, voltages etc.  Everyone would have complex and expensive appliances bought for their specific electric supply

 

Imagine what fun that would be with your EV, you'd need a trailer to carry all the different transformers and charging plugs just for a journey within the UK.  That's why I think early standardisation of EV Charging plugs/sockets voltages and frequencies is an important thing to push for.  One plug/socket, one charging communication protocol, one of AC or DC, etc. and soon.  Things are already getting to the point that a lot of capital is invested in chargers, cars etc. in a lot of different countries.

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A long range classy Zoe ?   Really?.

 

 

1 hour ago, widdershins said:

At this early stage in EV adoption standardisation would remove that problem.  

There is already a standard defined last year (IIRC): Type 2 for AC charging, CCS for quick DC charging.

 

Only current outliners are Nissan Leaf (latest one released in 2018), Renault Zoe, Tesla S and X. As you can see, Zoe refresh will have CCS quick charging. Tesla S and X are expected to have CCS when they do refresh. Leaf is the only odd one out.

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He’s put a deposit down, but on which one ?  -

 

 

Norway wants to be Europe's battery: https://spectrum.ieee.org/green-tech/wind/norway-wants-to-be-europes-battery

 

There should be many more cables to come if European countries make good on official goals to eliminate carbon emissions from power generation by 2050. The German government’s Advisory Council on the Environment, for example, concluded in its influential 2011 report that an optimal zero-carbon power system for Germany would need more than 40 gigawatts of interconnection to Norway. That system, the council projected, would deliver power at a very affordable 6 to 7 euro cents per kilowatt-hour. Without Norwegian storage, power costs would rise to 9 to 12 euro cents per kilowatt-hour.

 

Battery (whatever type), as have been previously pointed out, is the solution for our energy needs as we move away from fossil fuel.

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The Australian Government in comparison doesn’t want to know about it because they are committed to featherbedding their hydrocarbon sponsor mates in the coal industry particularly.

In this area we are international laggards and will be treated as such by manufacturers and importers.

I imagine struggling country towns will install infrastructure as a means of attracting travelers etc.

Given Australia's large uninhabited areas and lack of infrastructure, they may well go the hydrogen fuel cell route. Hopefully they won't be using their nasty brown coal to produce the hydrogen.

Australia already have world's first solar powered train:

 

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19 minutes ago, Odin1123 said:

Given Australia's large uninhabited areas and lack of infrastructure, they may well go the hydrogen fuel cell route. Hopefully they won't be using their nasty brown coal to produce the hydrogen.

We closed down one of the brown coal fired stations and the other one would be on borrowed time I expect.

Elsewhere we have good black thermal and coking coal in NSW and Queensland.

Our energy policy is written by Rupert who doesn’t believe scientists..........he must have a hotline to the almighty I guess.

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Fact v fiction -

 

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Another electric Jag -

 

 

Didn't fancy wading through 85 pages to see whether this had already been mentioned so here goes. German firm Innolith hopes that within 5 years it's 1,000 watt-hour per kilogram rechargeable battery (a world first) could be available commercially giving a 600 mile range. It uses far fewer exotic materials than existing batteries and they claim it will cost less. Unlike current batteries, it has an inorganic electrolyte, which is not flammable, reducing the risk of car fires.:thumbup:

'They' all hope there will be big advances in technology and that 'others' will invest billions in them.

 

Some just want world peace and a fair shake at the stick.

 

Cheap energy for all, clean air, no pollution etc.

 

If Cornwall and Germany can work in perfect harmony then in 5 years what a wonderful place Germany will be....

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The Yorkshire Post and a Knight of the Realm ;   If you are going to spout tripe, do your tripe homework first:

(explains Brexit too)

 

 

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