Crazy coolant loss on 1.6 tdi (15)

[cozza]

They checked my egr cooler last time it was in skoda when they checked the charge air cooler and resealed both,

I'm guessing they use a colour reactor and uv light like in gladnika's post maybe a tech could confirm thats standard? Surely they dont just visualy check it?

Or could it be possible that they could miss the leak on the test they do Gladnikas post shows they are specialists.

[cozza]

Heres the skoda list of coolant Doom!

https://postimg.org/image/tmiqgk3b1/

[Gladnika]

Hi Cozza,

 

I am sorry to hear that you still have this issue 

The problematic part was with this number: 04l129766n, check it in google. I am not sure if it is the same as the posted one from you.

If the name is air cooler, so I think it is the same... Intercooler = Air cooler.

My technicians used color reactor and UV lamp.

Also they said that it was very hard to simulate the engine temperature work.

They removed the part and used some tank with very hot water in order to reach the working temperature of the engine.

Not sure how they do that, but they just let me know for this procedure.

 

Hope they figure out what could be. Its very unsatisfied to have brand new car and for a few past kilometers to have this nightmare...

BR,

Vlad

[cozza]

@Gladnika that part is the charge air cooler i asked my mechanic i use a few days ago it cools the turbos air inside the exhaust manifold

Ive got it booked in to get the head checked next lets hope it's finaly fixed 6th time lucky ????

[lpt100]

Any luck Cozza?

 

I've not has a warning light yet, but it's needed about 800ml since Jan 2015.

[cozza]

Not yet lpt100 i'm waiting for the kids to break up again for contractual work reasons before they can try again.

If it was a normal car i guess this could have all been done within a month but with them not providing a like for like vehicle just a courtesy car I can't work in it.

But if you've only put 800ml in it since Jan that seems ok in 10 months,, i put that in twice a week sometimes it's not perfect but unless you start putting more and more in i wouldn't go down this path of a list of six fix's it's been a total joke.

[cozza]

What a nightmare this stil is its been in two weeks so far the heads off they said theyve visualy inspected it and skodas now getting them to inspect the intercooler!

Whilst the heads suppost to be tested and its all stil apart in bits there.

This has cost me a small fortune having no car to run as a taxi over christmas what a joke skoda can't fix there own cars ????

[lpt100]

That is awful. Especially over the festive season! Must be losing a fortune? SUK anything to say about that?

And I was ****ed at Samsung for not sending me a replacement phone for 6 weeks making it a bit harder for me to deal with emails . . .

[cozza]

Skoda customer services are a joke... they have no idea and don't contact warrenty who deal with it all.

I've been in touch with citizens advice and reported the dodgy dealer who sold me it to trading standards so far. It all depends on if it's fixed on return.

I can claim a civial court case up to 10k and circumstantial loss of earnings if the judge agrees with me.

My next step is a paper trail letter of intended action and the skoda,,, vw ombudsman

I can't see why they aint replaced a overheating/ failing engine they dont seem to be able to fix then exchange it for a fully working one and recondition at thete leisure I've lost over 3k in earnings so far. So they won't be getting off scot free as far as i'm concerned.

[cozza]

So my nightmare continues i took it to athe dealer (closer to me) in Dec they were checking the cylinder head the master tech couldnt find anything... for what ever reason he left his job possibly for different reasons so my car sat there for three weeks untouched!! It was agreed they could have it for only two weeks as its my only taxi

So i faught skoda uk for a replacement taxi i had to pay a local firm each week then invoice them this continued for thrre weeks (6 weeks in total) I am speachless how crap that dealer is.

 

They told me they put a new egr cooler on as they found a leak. As you can see above that was already checked and found to be ok so 6 weeks of my time wasted the car was not fixed.

 

I struggled to get the money back off VW mobility too it took another month after 7 unanswered emails and being fobbed off. I took it upon myself to not allow them to fob me off i recorded the next call on a app call 'total recall' if you ever do that you have to tell them you are recording them so you can use it as proof they then **** ten and paid me for the three weeks hire. 

[cozza]

So I called the dealer where I got it from which is further away.. they told me I cant get a refund but are required to attempt a fix before any more action they said theres a buy it back clause or I could trade it in.

 

So I went to that dealer last week and left the car for a week I hand delivered a letter to the dealers pronciple incase the fix didn't work.

 

So I returned for the car and I was told it had a big air lock which I wasn't very convinced about as it has previously been fully vented with all three systoms on (main and back ups) they tested it a few times before I returned for it all seemed well I drove it today for my first day back its done 170 miles (90 Were on the motorwau coming back) and the expansion tanks empty again.

 

Lost for what to do I'm going to try to get a trade sorted tomorrow by phone.

 

It's been hell ownjng this car and I can't loose more money in it with time off. 

[Breezy_Pete]

Definitely time to get rid, I can't believe how long this has been going on for you.  I think you've been treated dreadfully.

Edited 27 February, 2017 by Wino

[cozza]

On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 20:51, Wino said:

Definitely time to get rid, I can't believe how long this has been going on for you.  I think you've been treated dreadfully.

Yeah Its been a **** experience so far Im now trying to trade it in buying a skoda has been awfull for me I have spoke to loads of people locally with mk3 occys they all seem to have no issues

 

I think the dealer sold me a lemon that was returned to them and they palmed it off to me which is a **** take cause they know I'm a business. 

 

 

[Gabbo]

I know its a ball ache but you should try to find some legal advice regarding your problem & attempt to reject the car.

You have given Skoda & the dealer fair chance to attempt to rectify the problem & the car is still clearly unsuitable for use.

 

As a minimum they should buy back your car & they should probably compensate you for lost income whilst it was out of action.

Perhaps with a solicitor behind the requests, SUK & the dealer might be a bit more forecoming..

 

[cozza]

I ended up trading it back to the dealer I baught it from just to get rid I replaced it with a 65reg octavia 2.0tdi SE L

 

Skoda tech and two different dealers were not capable to fix the problem if you get this problem my serious advice is to get rid straight away.

 

With the dealer I was told I was a "buyer" because I am a business that gave me 30 day "ONLY 30" to return it for a full refund a "comsumer"  ie private buyer gets 6 months.

 

So I had two options available to me.

 

Option 1 : the dealer buys the car back (for a **** price)

 

Option 2 : Trade it back in to the dealer (for a **** price) 

 

I took the trade route bearing in mind I had the car 11.5 months and couldn't even use it for 3 months in the end, I paid 15k for it at less than a year the trade price was 9.5k!! I Told them they were taking the **** and the forcourt price was 13.5 -14.5 but they said thats "retail" and I got bull****ed.

 

So they were finding me a replacement car this was stil going on for two weeks yet the last one they found within half an hour I guess the sales guy was doung **** he got paid for so I was down his job list. 

 

I decided I wanted the 2.0 and a newer car so I ended up paying just over 3k but I know the 2.0 is a good engine and just cut my losses.

 

Avoid the 1.6 like a plague and if you get this problem DONT ALLOW THEM TO TRY THERE LIST OF FIXES chances are you will never be out of there or worse like me the clowns can't fix there own cars! Then your ****ed with a huge bill overall

 

I lost 5.5k wages 5.5k depreciation and 3.2k on the trade = £14.200

 

I hope this horror story helps someone to get the **** away from them as early as you can now if someone tries to gix your car at a dealership if its not done first time your lining yourself up for unlimited tries don't accept it get the **** outa there.

 

 

Edited 28 March, 2017 by cozza

[ords]

Please don't generalise about the 1.6.

 

Mine performs faultlessly & there are thousands of satisfied owners out there.

 

You were just unlucky.

 

 

[cozza]

On Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 17:09, ords said:

Please don't generalise about the 1.6.

 

Mine performs faultlessly & there are thousands of satisfied owners out there.

 

You were just unlucky.

 

 

That seemed a bit arsey and I dont think you needed to say that.

 

If you had that issue and lost 14k you would not be very happy would you.

 

I guess you were "Lucky"

[lpt100]

On 3/28/2017 at 17:09, ords said:

Please don't generalise about the 1.6.

 

Mine performs faultlessly & there are thousands of satisfied owners out there.

 

You were just unlucky.

 

 

 

It's not just about luck and the engine - the service wasn't great, which was a controllable variable. 

 

You are right in that it's only one point of data, and statistically non significant - but it wasn't a particularity helpful comment, given others in this thread have had similar issues.

 

And technically you're generalising based on one data point.

 

How are you getting on now @cozza?? Bit of a late reply from me . . . where did that time go!?

Edited 20 January, 2018 by lpt100
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[StemcellRob]

I have only posted recently and created a new Chat, wish I saw this post first! 

Skoda are taking me down the same path...

is there a fix? 

[FletchCossie]

On 25/01/2019 at 22:29, StemcellRob said:

I have only posted recently and created a new Chat, wish I saw this post first! 

Skoda are taking me down the same path...

is there a fix? 

 

Ive replied on your other post. My Petrol VRS has been into 2 different Skoda dealers so far with it going into a 3rd garage next week to find a coolant/oil mix problem. All the previous garages have done is flush the coolant and given poor service. Just feel like this is going to be never ending and reading all of this post it seems this is common for Skoda.

Edited 28 January, 2019 by FletchCossie

[StemcellRob]

58 minutes ago, FletchCossie said:

 

Ive replied on your other post. My Petrol VRS has been into 2 different Skoda dealers so far with it going into a 3rd garage next week to find a coolant/oil mix problem. All the previous garages have done is flush the coolant and given poor service. Just feel like this is going to be never ending and reading all of this post it seems this is common for Skoda.

 

Have you only had a coolant flush?. Was told today by Skoda aftersales that a cylinder test is about an hours work and the kits included. Still might hold a positive result, but at least it closes the fault. However that deal might be due to the service level I experienced. I took it out of Skoda’s hands, handed over the appropriate fee and took it to specialist in watford. They diagnosed it, just due to all the specific symptoms and investigations already had. Just shy of £2k.

change intercooler fault - but 7 hrs work and will need to replace timing belt - water pump and all gases and fluids inc air con.

so sadly it looks like I will be parting, only to try and get a 1.4 TSI..going to investigate.

brookdene in Watford, spoke honestly to my face and on the phone, more than Skoda’s service team.

[FletchCossie]

17 hours ago, StemcellRob said:

 

Have you only had a coolant flush?. Was told today by Skoda aftersales that a cylinder test is about an hours work and the kits included. Still might hold a positive result, but at least it closes the fault. However that deal might be due to the service level I experienced. I took it out of Skoda’s hands, handed over the appropriate fee and took it to specialist in watford. They diagnosed it, just due to all the specific symptoms and investigations already had. Just shy of £2k.

change intercooler fault - but 7 hrs work and will need to replace timing belt - water pump and all gases and fluids inc air con.

so sadly it looks like I will be parting, only to try and get a 1.4 TSI..going to investigate.

brookdene in Watford, spoke honestly to my face and on the phone, more than Skoda’s service team.

 

Yep, two coolant flushes and a coolant tank replacement. If my car wasn't under warranty I would of taken it elsewhere or replaced the oil cooler myself to see if that was the problem. Its a shame the people who work on these cars daily cannot work out issues with them.

 

Glad your getting there, but not the bill you have had to pay :(

[cozza]

No i never fixed it and traded it in i let them do everything they could but they simply had no idea they were just following steps on the computer.

 

Thet couldn't speak to the proper Skoda engineers as they all don't speak english ever thats broken lol

 

Yeah it sounds like your just starting the 7 attempts checklist i'd give them one more try maybe two, or one try at a different dealership. 

I would suggest at the third attempt that they are clueless and bin it or trade it in.

 

I never had any mechanical issues with it as it stil worked well only coolant was disapearing leaving no trace at all.

But one day that might end up being a new engine which they won't give you even if it's under warrenty and you done there full checklist.

Edited 4 February, 2019 by cozza

[cozza]

@FletchCossieI never had oil in my coolant/ water if theres oil you must have a head gasket or warped head

or

maybe a small crack somewhere that would loose coolant but it is a different issue.

Edited 4 February, 2019 by cozza

[sboothd]

Hi Cozza, I’m sorry to drag this up again!

looks like I may have the same problem. Sadly mine is out of warranty. It’s been leaking on and off for about 4 months. I’ve replaced water pump as that failed a few weeks ago, also replaced expansion tank and cap. Skoda diagnosed it (£126 for that) as a charge air cooler internal peak £1454 which I had done this week. I’m no mechanic and I explained to them that there was coolant loss from the release valve on the expansion tank and I’d also had intermittent heater issues. I checked it last night, after a few miles (70/80) and the base of the tank was wet and I could hear hissing from the area near the tank. I squeezed the bottom hose and it stopped. Looks like I may have wasted £1580! I’ll be monitoring it for a couple of days before I go back to the dealer. You said your dealer was in Lancashire, dare I ask which one? Mine is too!!

 

thanks 

Internal leak not peak 😂