Fabia 1.2 TSi90 or TSi110?

[Glyno]

Hello, ages since I last posted!

I'm coming to that time... just a few months until I reach the end of my PCP agreement. I've been 100% satisfied with my Fabia Monte Carlo and popped into the dealers for a discussion. The thing is, he appeared to be really pushing the 90PS model in favour of the 110PS. My current model ('63) is 1.2 TSi 105PS and I'm wondering if I'll notice a difference in performance? The dealer assured me I wouldn't as the engines had really 'come on a bit' over the last few years.

Am I being unduly concerned? There's about £600 difference and I'm really hoping someone can advise me whether or not I should save the cash or go for a little extra 'oomph'.

 

Just another general question... my MC has been extremely well looked after and is in pristine condition, maybe I might be better buying it outright? ...Thoughts?

 

Thanks very much in advance.

[Aredeth90]

I can only comment on the engines, as i test drove both the manual 90 and manual 110 before buying mine.

 

FOR ME, there is a clear difference in low down pull and top end revs between them, the 110 is just a bit more at low revs and near the top end.

 

The reason they are trying to push you towards the 90....well, because they have lots of them. Same thing they were trying to do with me when i put the order for the 110. They had in stock more than 6 with 90hp, but none with 110, so they had to ship it from god knows where.

 

Hold your ground, get a good deal on a 110, and you won't regret it.

 

My two cents.

 

Regards

[SurreyJohn]

There was a similar thread on this before.

As already stated sales staff will initially steer you to what they have a surplus of (or think of it as the runt that no-one else chose)

If it involves choice between a 5 speed and 6 speed gearbox, then in certain types of driving one of them always seems to be on edge of two ratios at a UK speed limit so isn't relaxing to drive.

As for the waffle about wont notice the less powerful engine. The 0-60 time on 2013 105 was 10.1 secs, the current 110 is 9.1 secs, but the 90 is 10.5 secs. It is the same basic engine mapped differently, salesman is bending the truth a big bit.

Hold out for 110 bhp version. And if you can afford it, then the 7 speed DSG is one to go for, always in optimum gear.

Re your last point, if your love your current car and its going well then consider keeping it. New one has some extra features, but looses some others as well so do you need to change it. Get some online quotes to sell it, get a part exchange price and compare vs new deal. You can always get a cheap loan quote on internet if you need to finance the balance to complete your comparison sums.

Edited 28 July, 2016 by SurreyJohn

[vc-10]

The 1.2 TSI is a great engine, whichever version you go for. But I would like a 6-speed box...

 

However, it can't hurt to test drive the 90. I have to say, mine does feel like it's got more than 90PS, I overtook a car the other day up a hill (one of those A-roads with 2 lanes up the hill) and it accelerated really quite briskly, and let's just say I'm glad there wasn't a camera van parked near the top! I think the light weight of the Fabia certainly helps- it's barely over a tonne!

[jon15]

Go with 110.

90 is not bad (I had it for one day), but you'll miss that 6th gear on the highway. At least I did, having been used to 110 when I tried the 90. If you mostly drive alone you likely won't notice *that* much difference in town, but even the 110 it gets noticeably less explosive in terms of acceleration when there are more than 1 ppl in the car, especially with the AC running on a hot day.

[Ootohere]

It will have more than 90ps as a 110ps will have more than that figure.

Reason being they are the Minimum available and if you are in the UK you are not going to be above sea level by more than 3,000ft, 

or in extreme temps much above 35*oC, and you will be running decent fuel.

The official figures are there for many world regions where there are more extreme conditions.

[Glyno]

Thank you all so much for your help and advise, I'm very grateful

 

Glyn

[Forge]

You need to test drive both, I did and although had absolutely no issues with the 90 I was sold on the 110 for that extra little bit of "oomph" and the 6th gear is always usefull.

 

As above the dealer will push you towards what they have lots of stock of.

[pfaff]

What engine is the 90 hp nowadays?

I recently leased a SEAT with a 3cyl 999 cc 95 hp engine for working purposes, along with the 110 hp Fab. Theres a clear difference at lower revs and also at overtaking the 'Oomph' is missing.

Otherwise its a nice engine.

[SurreyJohn]

What engine is the 90 hp nowadays?

I recently leased a SEAT with a 3cyl 999 cc 95 hp engine for working purposes, along with the 110 hp Fab. Theres a clear difference at lower revs and also at overtaking the 'Oomph' is missing.

Otherwise its a nice engine.

the Ibiza has moved to the new 1 litre 3 cylinder, but the old 1.2 4 cylinder carries on in Fabia

Not sure how much longer the 1.2 will continue, even the 1.2 Octavia has changed engine recently to the 1 litre

[Guest]

Actually, the 1.2 4cyl 110ps engine is a new engine in the range. It is substantially different to the old 105ps engine. It will have a long life in front of it but may be used less in the lower end Fabia's and be more of an up market motor for the higher specced models.

[Ootohere]

Maybe a long life with Skoda, but will the other brands VW, Seat & Audi as they get the new platform not have 1.0TSI engines,

& maybe the 1.5TSI's?

[rum4mo]

That engine was not meant to be in the VW Polo 2016MY line up, we were warned about that back in April 2015 as to the possibility that what we ordered (1.2 110PS) might turn out to be a 1.0 110PS engine car if the order was not accepted by the factory by production week 24 I think.  I think that it continued to be fitted to Polo SEL for some time after that though probably due to over optimistic predictions on deliveries of the 1.0 110PS engines. Personally I was quite happy that the order did get accepted as a 1.2 110PS as I'd rather not be one of VAGs "test/trial" customers!!

[threadbear]

I always believe that if your buying a new car it should be exactly how you want it. Otherwise you want be happy with it and will be a compromise. Obviously if it is in national stock all well and good.

 

If you want a 110 and it has to be built so be it. Wait for it and after all its your money and up to you how you spend it.

[Forge]

I always believe that if your buying a new car it should be exactly how you want it. Otherwise you want be happy with it and will be a compromise. Obviously if it is in national stock all well and good.

 

If you want a 110 and it has to be built so be it. Wait for it and after all its your money and up to you how you spend it.

 

+1 That's the nail on the head right there.

[MasterJediAlejandro]

I always believe that if your buying a new car it should be exactly how you want it. Otherwise you want be happy with it and will be a compromise. Obviously if it is in national stock all well and good.

If you want a 110 and it has to be built so be it. Wait for it and after all its your money and up to you how you spend it.

I called up Lamborghini and read them this quote but they still wouldn't match the payments of my Fabia. :(

[rum4mo]

I always believe that if your buying a new car it should be exactly how you want it. Otherwise you want be happy with it and will be a compromise. Obviously if it is in national stock all well and good.

 

If you want a 110 and it has to be built so be it. Wait for it and after all its your money and up to you how you spend it.

 

Seeing as others have commented on this, well, my first new car was a 1982 Ford Escort Ghia 1.6 5 door, the dealer and I had been working from a current catalogue when picking it, they needed to do a "dealer swop" to get me the colour I wanted - this "dealer swop" car had wider low profile tyres option fitted (great bonus), fair enough, a few days later I went to pick up the car at my main dealer - it was raining and I managed to have a bad cold, so it was a case of grabbing the car and driving home!  Later, after studying the car, I discovered that it did not have a locking fuel cap or radio cassette or tinted windows - the 1982 model was meant to have all that - turns out I was sold a very late 1981.5 speced car - not a happy bunny! Dealer gave me a locking fuel cap, arranged for the removal of radio and fitting of radio/cassette and electric aerial, but got sloppy on the tinted windows and only knocked about £65 off the price of the car, I played the fool and said, "no, if they are so insignificant just change the glass" - no chance. That soured my entry into buying a new car supposedly from stock! Next car, a Ford Orion Ghia Injection was another "dealer swop" but okay, next Orion was factory order and damaged in transit(attempted break-in on train in UK) !

[Forge]

I called up Lamborghini and read them this quote but they still wouldn't match the payments of my Fabia. :(

 

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